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Topic: CMR14X24
Posted By: gcp
Subject: CMR14X24
Date Posted: May/19/2010 at 16:40
Hi all, I am new to this forum and am wondering if anyone here has purchased and used this Leatherwood scope. If so do you like it and would you recommend it on a AR?
 
Thanks,
gcp



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Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 07:47
Hi all,
 
I was hoping for quick guidance 'cause I need to decide ASAP if I should pull the trigger on this deal or not but obviously since this scope is new to the market this group may not be familiar with it. I called leatherwood yesterday and spoke to John who was polite and helpful. It appears they are very proud with the work they've done on this scope (quality glass and reticule proprietary mounting) and they highly recommend it but they are the manufacturer after all.
 
Only reason I am doing away with what's on my LMT now, a reddot/laser combo, is that at 150 yards the old eyes are no longer doing their job and my accuracy's been suffering so I am trying to find a happy compromise of small package, 4x when needed, and the low light capability of a red/green dot. Leaning toward a green dot btw. Your advice will be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks,
 


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 08:00
 Wanted  to WELCOME you to OT,gcp.
 
  I'm just not familiar with those type scopes but there are lots of guys here who are. I'm sure you'll get replies before long. Meanwhile I'll make sure your thread stays up top.


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Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 08:03
Thank you sir!!


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 12:12
That scope just started shipping two weeks ago so not many are out there.  We were very impressed with the one we played with and could not believe the price.
  
http://swfa.com/Leatherwood-1-4x24-CMR-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P45852.aspx - http://swfa.com/Leatherwood-1-4x24-CMR-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P45852.aspx
 
 


Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 13:39
Chris, sounds like I need to order one then, where do I call you to talk to you?
 
Thanks,
gcp


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 14:07
 Here you go,gcp:
     http://swfa.com/ContactUs.aspx - http://swfa.com/ContactUs.aspx
 
 Or you can order on-line by clicking on the web address in Chris' post.


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Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 14:34
Thank you, I already have that contact number but been having a bit of an issue with the girl that answers the phone since yesterday, it seems SWFA is much too busy to talk to me. I even left my name and number but no call back as of yet and tried to get a hold of Chris a few minutes ago but he was not available. I'll try again in a bit or Chris you can call me when you have some free time to talk through this scope and take my order.
 
Thanks again,
gcp


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 14:36
I would ask for Christopher, Brady, or Stephanie....
 
PS you may not want you number to be out there like that....


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Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 15:33
Thank you for the added numbers. I too thought twice about posting my number but hope our small community will respect it. If on the other hand the moderator things it'll be best for it not to appear please feel free to delete it.
 
Thanks again for all your help gentemen!


Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 16:06
I talked to Chris, and purchased the scope per his recommendation, so please remove my phone number as I see no way of editing it myself.
 
Thanks again for all your help gang, I'll report back on what I think of it once I receive and use it.


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 16:17
 
   Thunbs Up  Thunbs Up    We'll be waiting,gcp!


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 16:19
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
   Thunbs Up  Thunbs Up    We'll be waiting,gcp!
 
Yes we will.  Hope you stick around and share your experience and enjoy the OT as much as we all do!


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Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 16:59
Sorry you had a hard time getting through today but right after I made that post the tornado sirens went off and there was a tornado on the ground a few miles from our location so we were all in the conference room. 
 
 
The storm had just passed when you got through to me earlier.  Good talking to you, let us know your impressions after you get the scope.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 18:07
wow thats too close.

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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 18:31
Should be interesting to hear your review of it as the price sounds quite reasonable.

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Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 18:36
Thanks again to Chris, and to the rest of the gang. I'll stick around for sure to provide feedback as I am sure many here will be interested in this scope.


Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/20/2010 at 19:57
Here's my other AR fitted with a fixed 16X.........
 
 
Yep, repeat customer.


Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/24/2010 at 18:39

The CMR arrived! Most excellent service by the SWFA personnel as I ordered on Thursday evening and the scope is in my hands today (Alabama).

 

First the bad news, I thought I had 30mm see through scope mounts but I don't. Hope to land a set by Friday, I hope.

 

The rest is all good news. The scope is surprisingly heavy duty so it feels rock solid (reminds me of the SWFA SS in a way), the glass is very clear in daylight (will try dusk capability in an hour or so), the green dot/horseshoe is strong and the crosshairs and other displayed info is clearly visible even to my tired eyes, the controls are user friendly, and last but not least the packaging the scope arrived in was A+, a small detail of professionalism that cannot, should not go unnoticed. Of course the proof's in the shooting so I will reserve judgment until the weekend but to those of us that claim that the made in China logo is a definite node of disapproval, I would say it appears that the Chinese are going by way of Japan, and I do remember the days when the Japanese products were considered much inferior to the made in the USA products only to eventually surpass us in practically every category.

 

Now back to the garage for a bit more fondling Smile



Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/24/2010 at 19:33
A couple of pics of the scope half way mounted onto the LMT. It looks like it belongs and what's sweet is it allows me to also install this Sig flashlight/laser combo onto the rifle's flattop so there's no need for extra hand guard rails. I like it when things work out.
 
 


Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/24/2010 at 21:04

Dusk visibility, even at dark 30, is very good, as good as my naked eye. Only imperfection I've noticed is from the 5-11 settings there appears to be the ever slightest green reflection at about 10 o'clock in the glass. Nothing that'll annoy me and I'm one perfectionist.

As far as I’m concerned it’s certainly thumbs up for this scope, and at this price it’s a no brainer.



Posted By: angryguns
Date Posted: May/25/2010 at 07:55

I was thinking about ordering that scope , thanks for doing a little review on it. I'm looking forward to the range review. By the way, i was wondering way you were using see-through scope ring (are you using an A-2 front sight post)?



Posted By: Skunk
Date Posted: May/25/2010 at 10:39
Wowza, do you really mount those things that high and that far back?  I could not even use them in those positions.  Thats just cwazy. 

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Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/25/2010 at 12:09
These mounts are what I had available for the pics. But the right size see throughs may become necessary if I am to also mount the laser/flashlight onto the flattop. Wish I could work it to where I could also use the stock sights, as back-ups, but it doesn't appear to be doable. I'll post the final set-up when I'm done.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/25/2010 at 12:21
Optimally the back edge of the eyepiece should be close to even with the charging handle position.  The center of the scope should be at the same level as the iron sights are.  I think you need to forget about the light and if you have to have it get somekind of rail that will mount on your handguard. 

Get a Burris PEPR mount, it will allow you to mount it at the right height, at least for shooting standing up and will allow you to put the scope forward enough. 
 
With the right fold down sights, I could mount it under this scope/mount combo without much problem.  But since I did not buy a quick release mount, there is not much point.


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Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/25/2010 at 20:10
Forget about the light you say? I am not one to give up but it did take a little bit of scratching and doing to make it all fit and it did Yippee
 


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/26/2010 at 09:25
Really on any rifle the back of the scope should be real close to being over top of where the top of your hand fits the grip. (unless the scope has excessive eye relief then it may need to be farther forward than that)  The way you have it now, you will have to hold your head way back to be able to shoot it.  You will have to bend your shoulders and neck back instead of leaning into the rifle.  Standing up will be awkward enough, but sitting, prone ,or bench shooting will be very difficult. 


You can see on these rifles how they are mounted.






Just trying to help you out bro.  Thunbs Up


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/26/2010 at 09:51
One more question I gotta ask.  How do you plan on turning the light on and off as you are scanning for targets.  It is in a position that cannot be reached by either hand.  For defensive purposes your light should just come on for a few seconds as you scan then it goes off and you move positions.  You need to be able to have quick access to it while still being in position to shoot your rifle.

Down on the handguard makes much more sense.  Or get some kind of  relay push button you can mount on your grip.



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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: May/26/2010 at 09:54
ST you have the coolest toys!

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/26/2010 at 10:47
None of those are mine except that extremely ugly bottom AR.  I just found pics on google images.  

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: May/26/2010 at 10:55
oh  well either way. lol

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Posted By: cpwomack
Date Posted: May/26/2010 at 11:02
GCP,
 
Since you have the MOE handguard you can purchase a picanny rail for it, mount it on the bottom of the handguard or the side, then mount your light on the handguard where it will be accessible.  Then you can turn the CAA mount around, remount the scope, and have it set-up as Supertool recommends.  The way you have it set up now will severly limit your shooting.  Just a recommendation, if you like the way you have it, carry on.


Posted By: JDjesse
Date Posted: May/26/2010 at 12:23

Any report from the range yet?  I'm really intersted to see how this thing shoots and holds up.  I was considering purchasing it awhile back to mount on an M1A but was concerned with its durability.  I'm getting itchy to pull the trigger but am also considering the Vortex PST or the SS when it comes out...not sure if I can wait though.



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Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/26/2010 at 21:01

supertool73, first off thank you for your constructive comments, they are much appreciated. I am sure for battle/SHTF conditions you would be correct but for my own needs the only killing I'll do with this rifle, I hope, will be the pesky coons that harass my barn cat. So, now you know my need for a flashlight and laser both of which can be turned on before I exit the house.

 

as sport, I will also be shooting mostly bench rest at the 150 yard range at my property so I'd rather not have the SIG flashlight/laser under the hand guard because it’ll most likely be in my way. But I will investigate if a MOP side rail exists that’ll provide for a better rifle fit and better control access. BTW I can turn on my flash/strobe light and/or laser, as it's mounted now, with my right hand, without any problem. Again, I am not arguing the validity of your statements it’s just that my own needs are somewhat different than your orthodox ways.

 

JDjesse, I plan to shoot my LMT this weekend so I'll report back on how the CMR fairs. Looking very much forward to ringing it out but I must restate that so far I am positively impressed.



Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/26/2010 at 21:03
cpwomack, thank you, I'll investigate.


Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/28/2010 at 14:20

Zeroed ar 25 yards and shot 10 rounds later all I can see is one dime size hole, where are the rest of my rounds going?Big SmileBig Smile

So far the scope is flawless but it's hot so when the sun goes down a bit I'll do the 150 yard shoot.


Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/29/2010 at 06:47

Foks, since I took the pic I moved the scope as far forward as it'll go and it now fits me to a T but the jury's still out on the Leatherwood scope. I was all over the place with it at 150 yards, due to use of the black dot and probably my eyes. I now know I much prefer crosshairs for accuracy but to be fair I'll give it another more concentrated go today.

One thing I didn't like about it is that even at full setting, at daylight hours the greendot disappears so it's useless with the sun plus the green horseshoe/circle around the dot does not appear to be the same diameter and/or intensity all around which is a bit annoying.


Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: May/30/2010 at 06:47

Friends, yesterday evening I shot a bit more and obviously I am the weak link of this package. One can't do heavy lifting around the property all day long and expect to shoot well in the evening, I guess, but I had to cut/haul off trees and build this feeding platform for my barn cat. It was either that or kill the coon family of 5 that eat all of Nikos' food and leave him starving all week long.

Niko does appear to be happy now, it's amazing what a full belly wil do :lol:

But back to the main point of interest, this 1x4 tactical scope is more than decent for the money and would have no resevations in recommending it as a viable alternative to the high $ tacticals out there. Other than the the green horseshoe non-uniformity and the green dot not showing up, at full sun, all else is spot on! Now lets see how well it holds up.



Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: June/01/2010 at 18:08
I betcha the coons still get to Niko's food.  They are very sneaky and clever.  You should see them work over a deer feeder.  If it was not for trail cam pics I would never believe some of the things they can do.
 
This one is using the pig as a step ladder.
 
This one shimmied up one of the poles and is spinning the dispenser with his hand.
 
 


Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: June/01/2010 at 22:03

I was told that coons can't jump, kinda like white men Big Smile so I built a 5 foot tall tin scirted platform which I figured they would not clear. But don't you believe it non because I have 2 of them on video taking approx, 4 foot leaps from a saw horse to barely hang on to the wooden platform, with their front paws, and then pulling themselves up to dinner. My wife and I sat there in amazement watching it all after the fact. So I removed the saw horse and tested Nikos ability to jump from the ground. I am happy to report that he too is no white man cause he jumps up & down the feeder like he's jumping onto the sidewalk.

But I am amazed that this wild hog would allow such liberties from a coon, goes to show you that teamwork's not reserved for humans alone. I have a pic of what a 223 round will do on a coon but it goes against the rules of this forum so I'll not post it.

 

Now lets talk scope, after this weekend's shoot I removed and properly re-installed the mount/rings & the CMR and am now looking for the appropriate rail to also mount the SIG flashlight/laser device. I also called to further discuss with John at Leatherwood the minor issue of the green semicircle issue and I must say that he is not only extremely polite but he is also one of the most helpful professionals you'd ever want to deal with. Bottom line, this is a very good scope coupled with very good, honest customer service. Chris, I can see why you guys were impressed.

 



Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: June/06/2010 at 18:36
Chris, if we had bet you'd have won. The biggest coon found the way, he climbed the barn post and jumped/dropped onto the platform. Now the post is covered with a metal sheet so unless he knows how to glide he's got his work cut out for him. Truth be told more power to him, I'v grown fond of this critter.
 
Shot the LMT/Leatherwood combo once more today, getting to realy like this rig. And love the way one can zero the knobs after setting the right azimuth/elevation. Simply unscrew/remove the knobs, zero the wheels, and re-install the knobs. Haven't looked into it but can the SS be zeroed this way?


Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: July/14/2010 at 16:28
Yay I am late to another thread... Thank you for the review, I am very interested in that same scope.  Magpul makes rails for the MOE handgaurds in 3 or 4 lengths and at various prices, I have two of the 5" sections on mine (longest available) they were ~$8 per and are solid and made of Polymer.  Not sure if a laser will hold a zero on these, but at short ranges, I imagine you will be close enough to hit a coon. 

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Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: July/14/2010 at 16:30
Dang it, I forgot to ask if at 1x you can shoot with both eyes open?

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Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: July/14/2010 at 20:57
Thank you for the mounting info GriswoldGuns, I did exactly that a couple f weeks back. Moved the reddot/laser combo scope onto my AR-15 pistol and mounted the laser/flashlight on the magpul hand grip. There's a bit of play on the hand grip but for close distances it makes no difference. I'll shoot it more this weekend at dusk to see how well it functions.
 
 
BTW, the CMR shoots well at 1x with both eyes open! I realy like this scope and for the money I'd jump on it if I were you. I'd buy a second but don't know where I'd mount it as it's pretty much 223/7.62 specific. Thumbs up on this product!!


Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: July/14/2010 at 21:04
Second pic of setup.


Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: July/15/2010 at 07:38
Awsome! thanks.  What mount is the scope sitting in?


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Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: July/15/2010 at 08:51
and will it clear a BUIS on the rifle? mine is ~.50 inches in the folded

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Posted By: c5_nc
Date Posted: July/15/2010 at 09:18
I bought one of these several weeks ago and I am really impressed overall.  Taking it out of the box and looking through I was very concerned as the eye box/relief is awefull.  I had considered not attempting to mount it and just send it back.  After mounting it was not really a big of an issue.  The eye relief is fairly short, you have almost no room to move to move left and right, eye can not more forward or backward more than .25" form the ideal spot.  This is even on 1x where on most scopes you can move several inches or more.  After getting it mounted in perfect spot and going from low ready to on target and practicing I could on target about the same as with a red dot sight (which is good news).  The reticle design is perfect.  If your using light during daytime the light is completely washed out in full sun, the black donut is still easy to pick up.  I could see problem if other people need to use the firearm and there stance is different.


Posted By: 3PERCENTER
Date Posted: July/16/2010 at 13:58

I got my CMR a few weeks ago and it improved my 5 shot groups @ 100 yards from 5.5" using my Bushnell Holosight (which the center dot covered about 3" of the bull’s-eye) to 2" groups (I think the center dot on the CMR only covers about 1" of the bull’s-eye) so it definitely gave me a big improvement. I have a Vortex Crossfire 6-24X50 coming at the end of the month and I hope this tightens my groups up even more at 100 yards and give me more precision at longer distances.

 

I am only used to cheap scopes so I cannot comment on how it compares to more expensive scopes but I was impressed with the clarity, strength and features (ZRO-Lock and laser etched crosshairs). I would think that this scope is a great all-around scope that gives you just what is advertised, a heavy-duty scope for close to medium (200-300 yards) range applications. I have never had a scope with MIL or MOA marks, so I am just learning how to range using these kinds of features and this scope looks to make this transition fun and easy since the ZRO-Lock feature lets you dial in the adjustments, assuming you calculated range and windage correctly. I haven’t had a chance to test this feature yet but I will report back to let you know if it really returns to zero after dialing in an adjustment when I get the chance. Certainly having this ZRO-Lock feature work as advertised should be critical to anyone’s purchasing decision, has anyone given this feature a good test yet?

 

I can’t comment on the battery life yet but it was nice that it came with two batteries, it only takes one, the other was the spare.

 

I paired this CMR with the Burris PEPR and it seems to be a match made in heaven. I think it places the scope a little higher than other one-piece mounts but I think that this is a sacrifice that actually enhances the intended close to medium range purpose for this scope and that is that it helps you maintain a more natural head position when walking around while aiming, you don't have to crook your neck as much when using it this way. For my Vortex I’m ordering another Burris PEPR mount since it is coming with a 1" tube, although I am still debating whether I should get something different to drop the 50mm lens down to about 1/4 inch from the rail since the Burris will put it slightly over 1/2 inch from the rail and on a longer range set-up, what do you guys think? It looks like all offset one-piece mounts put the center of the scope about 1.5 inches above the rail, is this what I want for the 6-24X50mm vortex?

 

My only complaint was when I was trying to figure out the ZRO-Lock feature I took the lock-screws all the way out and popped off the cap and the O-ring that was underneath was broken, and I am pretty sure that it was already broken before I took the cap off because it looked like it had cut marks from when it was initially put on, I don't think taking it off would cause these cuts since the inside of the cap is slick and had no edges to mar the O-ring the way it was. It didn't affect the function at all and I might just go to the hardware store to buy a comparable replacement since it looks like cheap rubber anyway and I don’t want to send it back just to get an O-ring replaced. If they want me to send it in to replace it, I think I will just get my own.



Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: July/23/2010 at 18:01
GriswoldGuns, sorry I missed your question, the scope mount is a CAA.
 
http://www.competitor.net/caa-dual-variable-scope-rings.html - http://www.competitor.net/caa-dual-variable-scope-rings.html


Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: July/23/2010 at 18:04
and you can't have a BUIS and scope, so I removed mine and stashed it in case I have a need for it in the future.


Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: August/04/2010 at 10:13
Does the front sight show up in your sight picture through the scope at any power settings?
 
A guy with some good knowledge of leatherwood said it should clear the buis in a PEPR mount


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: August/04/2010 at 10:59
A pepr mount will not put it above the fixed or folded up front sight.  You will see it easily at 1 and 2x.  At 3x and 4x it will start to focus past it but you will still see a dark spot in your glass.  It is this way with any scope.  That is why you get a fold down front sight.

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Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: August/04/2010 at 16:44
how much will the front sight obscure the scope, like 1/3 or so? If  the scope reticle is visable above the front sight at 1x  I could live with that, at least until I can sell enough of my organs to add a folding front to the rifle...
 
Maybe if i put on a high riser then mount the PEPR on top of that.... or should i just go with 2 high risers to be safe? Then I would have to find a good place to apply the duct tape to complete the lookBucky


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: August/04/2010 at 16:50
Putting high risers on there will create another problem.  It would be like mounting a scope ontop a carry handle, it destroys any kind of possible cheek weld. 

You will definitely see the sight a lot.  With my Trijicon 1-4x and a fold down front sight I can still see it at 1x even though it is folded down.  It is just in the very bottom of the scope but I can see it.

Just buy a folddown with the money you would spend on risers.  http://yankeehillmachine.com/store/product413.html - http://yankeehillmachine.com/store/product413.html They bolt on, and the originals are just held on with two pins.  It is really easy to change them.  They have videos on Brownells website on how to do it. 


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Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: August/04/2010 at 18:59
At 1X you'll see the front sight but beyond it's hardly noticable. I am very pick and it doesn't bother me at all. I still love this scope and for the money it's a no brainer!!

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Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 06:49
the high risers were a joke...
 
Anyone know of a front folder with the H&K style hood and post? IMHO those are the best front sight design around. thx


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Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 07:13
Nevermind about the hooded sight, found ONE. PRI ~$200
By the time I am done making this project how I want it, I might as well buy another upper >_<


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