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Topic: Aimpoint vs EoTech
Posted By: dryan_e
Subject: Aimpoint vs EoTech
Date Posted: May/10/2010 at 08:30
Ok guys (girls) I am looking to put a sight on my AR-15 and would like to know what you think about the ever asked question. What is the difference between the Aimpoint and EoTech besides the way you look them?  By what I can see the Eo is better for quick target aquasition and the aimpoint looks like it would take a sec more to find your target.

Thanks



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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: May/10/2010 at 08:43
Its a personal preference thing.  I have used both and prefer Aimpoints for both fast target aquisition and longer range accuracy. 

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: May/10/2010 at 14:08
This is how I see it:
 
Aimpoint...
Pros: 
- More compact; lower profile
- Much longer battery life (by as much a 5X)
- Some prefer simple dot rather than circle dot as used on EoTech
- Some say it's more rugged
Cons:
- Not quite as easy to get behind  and acquire target as EoTech (my opinion)
- Aimpoint dot is larger (4MOA vs. 1MOA) and subtends more of the target
- Has a distinctly "darker" image
 
EoTech...
Pros:
- Has smaller 1MOA dot for finer aiming
- Larger, more open sight window gives more unobstructed view
- Head position can be more off-center and still see reticle
- Some prefer circle dot reticle as opposed to simple dot.  Circle allows the eye to pick up the center dot rapidly without having to use a large center dot.
- Less light loss through EoTech gives the impression that reticle is "floating" in space because you are looking through a narrower "window" of glass rather than a tube with longer spaced lens elements. 
Cons:
- Significantly less battery life than Aimpoint
- Usually larger in size
- Some object to the pixellated appearance of reticle.
 
I disagree that the EoTech is less suited for long range accuracy.  Even though the center dot is less refined (more pixellated) on the EoTech, it is still 4X smaller, so it still subtends less of the target.  Target aquisition speed is debatable.  Both are fast. 
 
To me, the most compelling reasons to choose one over the other is whether you prefer a dot or circle dot reticle more, whether you like a smaller or larger dot, and whether you value compactness and longer battery life more than a more "forgiving" view.
 
I like aspects of both sights.  I prefer the EoTech, and am personally willing to live with the shorter battery life in exchange for a sight that doesn't look like I'm looking through a tube and has better light transmission.  If you routinely leave the sight turned on for long periods of time, and don't want to worry about the batteries as much, the Aimpoint is a better choice.


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: May/10/2010 at 14:41
Like both, own both, have used both extensively, it's all up to what you like and don't, no magic answer on this one.

If you are down to those 2, I'll throw a turd in the punch-bowl and also recommend Trijicon reflex, I own that too and like it allot: no battery, no on-off switch.  My go-to AR now wears the Trijicon, the Aimpoint was on it a few months ago, now the Aimpoint is in the drawer till I decide i like it more again.


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Posted By: Trays 7940
Date Posted: May/10/2010 at 17:20
I have used the EOTech and own the Aimpoint.  I am currently using the Aimpoint on my duty weapon, mainly because I like the life of the battery.  I don't have a problem finding my target and since I will never fire past 100 yards, I don't feel there is any problem with the larger dot... Good Luck To Ya!

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: May/11/2010 at 08:14
Trays brings up a very valid point in that the purpose of the weapon it's mounted to may have everything to do with which one you choose.  I use my EoTech for hunting, so if the batteries die, worst case scenario, I might not get the shot and it's not a life or death situation.  On a duty weapon, where lives may literally be at stake, I certainly wouldn't want to worry about whether or not my batteries were fresh enough to keep my weapon sight lit during an engagement.  From that standpoint, even though the EoTech's battery life hasn't been an issue for me, if I were choosing a sight for a duty weapon, long battery life or the lack of batteries altogether (i.e. the Trijicon RC suggested) would be a huge advantage.

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/13/2010 at 14:59
Chocolate and vanilla type debate. Some like one, while others prefer the other.
 
Aimpoint T-1 Micro Dot is my all time favorite, having used Eotechs in the past.
 


Posted By: Sapper524
Date Posted: May/14/2010 at 00:12
Im a Aimpoint fan all the way.  I tried an EoTech in Iraq and broke it in two days.  Went back to my aimpoint.  As for the 4 MOA dot ... they make a 2 MOA dot model as well (M3) series.  It depends on your application really.  Shooting 3 gun comps and want to be fast ... EoTech might have the edge.  Bombproof durability important... Go aimpoint.  Some other combat related points are the ARD device in the aimpoint and its Night Vision compatible.  Both can be used with a tripler (have not tried this with an EoTech peronally).
 
I have peers that are EoTech fans till the end.  One day at the range we went shot for shot and he was a tad faster but I was a tad more accurate.  We did movers and controlled pairs at and the results were similiar.  We did NOT switch up optics/weapons and repeat.  Could it be he was just faster on the trigger than me and I took a tad longer to let it fly?  Maybe ... I shoot with the guy a lot and we are very comparable.  I sling 22LR with him at 150 plus at clay pigeons tossed all over a hillside and we score about 80% first time hits.  Point being we are both half decent shots and shoot often.
 
This debate could go on and on.  I  have shot with EoTech guys when I was the faster one.  Its all preference and application in my opinion...


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Posted By: TominCA
Date Posted: May/14/2010 at 12:23
I have both and like the EoTech a little better for speed - The Aimpoint for battery life and overall design. Neither are comparable to a scope for longer ranges. I like the Aimpoint mounted closer and the EoTech works the fastest far from my eye (for me anyhow) I have backup Irons on both guns just in case.  Having said all this they are so close that if I had one - I would not go through the effort to switch to the other.

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: May/14/2010 at 14:10
I thought this topic was more applicable for the Tactical section so I moved it there.

Between Eotech and Aimpoint, it is a tough call.  Generally speaking, I prefer the sight picture of the Aimpoint, pixelated reticle and all.  The circle/dot arrangement is faster to acquire and point to my eyes.

However, if I were to buy a high end red-dot sight, I would be buying this one:
http://swfa.com/Aimpoint-Micro-T-1-Red-Dot-Sight-P42448.aspx - http://swfa.com/Aimpoint-Micro-T-1-Red-Dot-Sight-P42448.aspx

Honestly, I think over the next several years red dot sights will be slowly going the way of the dodo, except to miniature red-dots (like the Micro Aimpoint) that keep on getting better: more durable, longer battery life and better ergonomics.

ILya



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Posted By: Manny
Date Posted: May/15/2010 at 07:38
I'm a big EOtech fan, I just see and shoot better with it over an Aimpoint and like the more generous sighting field. I also think the new XPS EO's have done away with pretty much any any issues that EO's may have had. No they don't have anywhere near the battery life of Aimpoints, but the pluses I find with it more than balance out that minor drawback.  


Posted By: paulsfin
Date Posted: May/15/2010 at 09:59
There's no doubt the EOtech us faster and more clearer than the Aimpoint. At least it was comparing it to the military issue M68's (full size Aimpoint). The 68 is easier to adjust for light conditions than the EO because the knob is just easier to flip around than pressing buttons that are a little small for gloved hands especially if you have ham hocks for fingers. Also, the Aimpoints, I have personally seem them get trashed, dropped, used for years to the point the black edges are gone and brass shows on the knobs and anodizing worn down to nothing the glass is scratched beyond belief but they still work. The only real draw back is the knob, if it gets banged hard (like dropped) on the knob, the sight stops working. I think thats the only real failure on the Aimpoint.
 
On the EO, they are a very nice sight. Bright, clear and fast. Get the one with side buttons, I think it's the 659 or LE/military versions. Don't waste your money on the night vision model unless you already own an NV device. The 68 can also be used with NV while turned down all the way mated with an L brackett that would mount an AN-PVS14 style monocular right behind the sight.
 
Can't go wrong with either, it's like comparing a benz to a bimmer. I personally like the EO with a single dot not the rapid ring with dot. One thing to note: the 68 has a smaller FOV because of the tube, thats why the EO is faster. The 68 requires your eye to be in a smaller sweet spot and the tube also slightly darkens your sight picture but that increases the contrast of the dot on bright sunny days. Remember both sights are designed to be used with both eyes open.


Posted By: paulsfin
Date Posted: May/15/2010 at 10:02
Oh yeah, the Aimpoint can be darkened to its lowest visible setting in daylight for more precise shootins. The lower the setting, the smaller the dot.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: May/15/2010 at 11:13
Originally posted by paulsfin paulsfin wrote:

The lower the setting, the smaller the dot.


Check your fire!


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Posted By: Sapper524
Date Posted: May/15/2010 at 12:36
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by paulsfin paulsfin wrote:

The lower the setting, the smaller the dot.


Check your fire!
 
For sure - its a 2 MOA or 4 MOA dot depending on the model (M Series, not sure onthe micros).  The can "appear bigger" when you crank them up higher and they get that starburst effect.


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Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: July/12/2010 at 21:46

I have used an M68 and liked it... never tried an EO but i have heard nothing but good things about them... My question is pertaining to the mounts that they come with, funds are an issue for me so I am looking for the budget buy, I like the CompC3 but am worried about the height of the included mount, will it co-witness with the irons? And for the Eo I am looking at a 512 and am wondering how much of my flattop it will use and if the EO will fit with my BUIS.  I am just bearly leaning towards the C3 but if I have to spring an extra $100 for a higher mount I would rather save and Get the EO... any help would be appritiated.



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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 07:03
eotechs can be mounted pretty much anywhere on the rail so you should be fine

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Posted By: shooter07
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 07:44
Many people have already stated what's most important. This comes down to personal preference every time.

Myself, i personally like EOtechs better, especially the XPS lineup. I feel (for me) that EO's are just easier to get behind consistently. Bringing the rifle up and not having to adjust your head to the sight is arguably the most important factor in CQC. Every fraction of a second counts. Again, i can't stress this enough. You need to try and get your hands on each and try them out.

The EO has a wider sight picture imo. I don't feel like im looking down a tunnel so to speak. My favorite setup is the 65 MOA ring with 1 MOA middle dot. To me the larger ring just draws me to the target and then you can be more precise with the 1 moa dot. Some people don't like the "clutter" of ring and dot but to each their own.

It's all personal preference. This happens to be mine.


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Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 08:21
Anyone have experiance with the mount that comes in the Aimpoint package deal as far as height problems?


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Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 12:48
Ok, I have done some more research and now know I would need to get a higher mount in order to cowitness the C3 and the The EoTech. I know of the YHM mount for the EoTech and of the LaRue and the Bobro for the Aimpoint, my question is now if anyone knows of mounts that would allow cowitness with either optic that would work (I would like to see all of my options before I pull the trigger). Quick detach is of little to no concern to me put price is. Thank you  in advance.

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 12:54
A cheap method to raise them would be use a riser on your rail. That would get them in line with your irons to co witness.  not the best but usable.

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Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 13:45
Thanks, but I think I would rather just get a decent mount. Something similar to the Bobro or Larue but less than $80... worst comes to worst I will wait awhile longer and spring some extra $$ for one of the previous mentioned.

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 13:48
10/4
 
I do think Vortex sells individual rings instead of a set in the 30mm size that would work with the aimpoint. 
http://swfa.com/Vortex-Tactical-Rings-C2982.aspx - http://swfa.com/Vortex-Tactical-Rings-C2982.aspx
Some even claim the cowitness


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Posted By: shooter07
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 13:57
If you're willing to spend the money these three makers will get you want you want:

1. LaRue. They are arguably the best mounts out there and the CS is as good as any company  i've ever used. They sent me so much extra stuff with past orders and answered questions promptly. Top notch.

American Defense mounts are right there with Larue as well. Warne makes great single rings.


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Posted By: hebertjb
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 13:58
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Honestly, I think over the next several years red dot sights will be slowly going the way of the dodo.....

 
I'm curious as to why you think red dot sights will go away. Can you explain why you think that? Do you think that reticled scopes will take back their "rightful place" or do you think another technology will fill in?  Personally, I find reticled scopes much more precise for their intended uses but red dots much easier to use for qucik acuisition in CQ situations where very precise placment is not needed or even possible owing to time constraints.
 
thanks


Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 13:59
Excellent, thank you. Now the hard part... convincing the wife that this is more practical then another 50 "cute outfits" for the baby...

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Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 14:19
*wish I could edit posts already* Any other mounts for the Eotech that would allow cowitness?

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Posted By: shooter07
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 14:28
http://www.topgunsupply.com/rock-river-arms-dominator-2-eotech-mount.html - http://www.topgunsupply.com/rock-river-arms-dominator-2-eotech-mount.html


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Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 14:55
Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

http://www.topgunsupply.com/rock-river-arms-dominator-2-eotech-mount.html - http://www.topgunsupply.com/rock-river-arms-dominator-2-eotech-mount.html
Nice but a bit pricy and I already have a BUIS that I will not trade for the world


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Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 15:58
Why does SWFA have to have such a great selection... Stumbled upon the Vortex StrikeFire and the SPARC and am curious how these compare to the CompC3 or a low end Eotech. Are these even worth considering or are they just junk that isnt worth the $$ to put on my plinker?


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 16:00
Have you looked at http://www.samplelist.com - www.samplelist.com ?  its run by SWFA. 

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 16:01
Originally posted by GriswoldGuns GriswoldGuns wrote:

Why does SWFA have to have such a great selection...
Because they are the best of the best

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Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 16:50
yes, I have been eying the CompC3 2moa for $329... now to pull $329 out of my butt as my wife has indicated that bills are more important than killing zombies

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/13/2010 at 20:05
Originally posted by hebertjb hebertjb wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Honestly, I think over the next several years red dot sights will be slowly going the way of the dodo.....

 
I'm curious as to why you think red dot sights will go away. Can you explain why you think that? Do you think that reticled scopes will take back their "rightful place" or do you think another technology will fill in?  Personally, I find reticled scopes much more precise for their intended uses but red dots much easier to use for qucik acuisition in CQ situations where very precise placment is not needed or even possible owing to time constraints.
 
thanks


I think that low range variables are now getting good enough at 1x to largely replace traditional full-size red dot sights, while offering more versatility.  I think that is a better solution that a red dot with magnifier.

Miniature red-dots, I think, are more viable long term as secondary sights and as dedicated close range sights.  Hence, Aimpoint Micros and similar sights have better long-term potential, IMO.

ILya


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: July/14/2010 at 17:25
Concur with the Dark Lord.
Aimpoint Micros like the T-1 have won me over. ...BIG! 
Doubt I'll ever go back to the Comps now that I have a Micro. EO's are off my grid totally.
 
Good shooting!    


Posted By: GriswoldGuns
Date Posted: July/15/2010 at 07:58
Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Doubt I'll ever go back to the Comps now that I have a Micro.
 
Still an optics newbie, but is the micro the same tech were the dot doesnt have to be centered?  And if you wanna get rid of any Comps, let me know.


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: July/15/2010 at 19:11
Originally posted by GriswoldGuns GriswoldGuns wrote:

Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Doubt I'll ever go back to the Comps now that I have a Micro.
 
Still an optics newbie, but is the micro the same tech were the dot doesnt have to be centered?  And if you wanna get rid of any Comps, let me know.
 
As ruff and tuff as the Comps, same dot tech, but smaller.
http://swfa.com/Aimpoint-Micro-Red-Dot-Sights-C12.aspx - http://swfa.com/Aimpoint-Micro-Red-Dot-Sights-C12.aspx
 
Heres mine, with a LaRue mount, also courtesy of SWFA....Wink
 
  


Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: July/15/2010 at 19:27
Nice Micro CT.  I love the Aimpoints and love my Comp.  Would be interesting to do a side by side with a Micro to see which I like better.

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: July/15/2010 at 19:31
Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

Nice Micro CT.  I love the Aimpoints and love my Comp.  Would be interesting to do a side by side with a Micro to see which I like better.
 
Let me know when you'd like to and I'll send you mine to do just that.
(Can't keep it though.) No No  Wink 


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: July/22/2010 at 09:10
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by hebertjb hebertjb wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Honestly, I think over the next several years red dot sights will be slowly going the way of the dodo.....

 
I'm curious as to why you think red dot sights will go away. Can you explain why you think that? Do you think that reticled scopes will take back their "rightful place" or do you think another technology will fill in?  Personally, I find reticled scopes much more precise for their intended uses but red dots much easier to use for qucik acuisition in CQ situations where very precise placment is not needed or even possible owing to time constraints.
 
thanks


I think that low range variables are now getting good enough at 1x to largely replace traditional full-size red dot sights, while offering more versatility.  I think that is a better solution that a red dot with magnifier.

Miniature red-dots, I think, are more viable long term as secondary sights and as dedicated close range sights.  Hence, Aimpoint Micros and similar sights have better long-term potential, IMO.

ILya
ILya, I can tell you that there is a large group within the military that agrees with you.  And they want it NOW...
There are some issues with placement which must be overcome, but your comments are right on...


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Posted By: Graysteel
Date Posted: July/23/2010 at 08:50
I have to disagree that red dots will go away anytime in the near future. The key is unlimited eye relief. The new 1x4s are nice, but you still have to get proper head position to make them work. My experience is that the red dots let you get on and off the sight much faster.

You don't really see the difference in matches where you are in a controlled environment and know where all the 'threats' are located. However, when trying to watch both in front and behind yourself at the same time you rarely manage perfect cheek stock weld.


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/23/2010 at 12:19
Originally posted by Graysteel Graysteel wrote:

I have to disagree that red dots will go away anytime in the near future. The key is unlimited eye relief. The new 1x4s are nice, but you still have to get proper head position to make them work. My experience is that the red dots let you get on and off the sight much faster.

You don't really see the difference in matches where you are in a controlled environment and know where all the 'threats' are located. However, when trying to watch both in front and behind yourself at the same time you rarely manage perfect cheek stock weld.

Disagreement is the spice of life ::)

To reiterate though: I do not think red dots sights will go away.  I think FULE SIZE red dot sights are going to go away.  Aimpoint Micros and such will be around for a long time.

ILya


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Posted By: shooter07
Date Posted: July/23/2010 at 12:30
Even in CQC, i would still prefer magnification. With our fighting shifting towards Afghanistan you have much more area and space to cover. Even in urban fighting you never know when you'll be pinned down from a location that requires a bit more scope to engage your enemy.

There are companies now offering true 1x (nightforce nxs for example, there are others) with magnification up to 3 or 4x. A downfall is size, and weight to these but the great thing with micro's is you can mount them directly to picatinny ring tops or offset them on the forward rail.

The problem with micro's are they don't have the sight picture of larger red dots and they are nowhere near as durable. I think they have a place and will for a long time, but for me, id much rather have a 1-3/4x with a micro on top or offset.


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: July/23/2010 at 17:27
Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

There are companies now offering true 1x (nightforce nxs for example, there are others) with magnification up to 3 or 4x.
 
Almost all of the current 1-4X tactical style scopes have true 1X.


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Posted By: Sapper524
Date Posted: July/24/2010 at 01:39
If you learn to properly use the two eye open technique you can get on target pretty damn fast with an ACOG.  Im really looking forward to the release of the SWFA 1x4.  If it can truely replace my Aimpoint w/ tripler system on my AR ... Ill be VERY happy.  My DMR 20 inch will be topped with the ta31f until hell freezes over ... different applicaiton though. 

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: July/25/2010 at 16:48
Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

The problem with micro's are they don't have the sight picture of larger red dots and they are nowhere near as durable. 
 
Sight picture? Why is that important?
It's a dot. With both eyes open, does sight picture matter? It's sole purpose to impose a dot on a target. When I look through an Aimpoint, all I see is the dot.  
I've heard the same thing from the Eotech crowd and couldn't understand that then.
 
Micro's not as durable as the bigger units?? Pat Rogers and others have rung these Micros out and I have yet to read of anything that indicated that they were less rugged than it's larger countparts. You do however need to make sure the battery cover is tightened down well before shooting.
I mounted a T-1 to my shotgun and would loose the dot after every shot, until I tighened down the cover sufficently.      
I've posted some videos of Aimpoints getting kicked and dropped and beat to hell and these vids included the Micro T-1.
 
Unless you've run across some reports of Micro's failing that I haven't seen, (which is entirely possible), I'm confused as to why you would say that.  
 
   


Posted By: shooter07
Date Posted: July/25/2010 at 18:11
The problem i have with Aimpoints (and this is a personal issue) is i feel like im looking down a tunnel. I tried them when i was in the military and just preferred Eotech's. Again, it's not a knock on the tubular Aimpoint's or micro's but i like the bigger "window" of the Eotech design. I got on target faster with them.

And i'm more of a fan of the 65 moa ring with 1 moa dot in the middle. It's all subjective.


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Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: July/25/2010 at 18:13
Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:


And i'm more of a fan of the 65 moa ring with 1 moa dot in the middle. It's all subjective.
 
The Circle of Death??  Wink 
 


Posted By: shooter07
Date Posted: July/25/2010 at 18:29
Haha, yeah. For some reason, my eye naturally centers through the larger ring, right to the 1 moa dot.

My brother who's a Ranger just bought an Elcan. I won't be buying anything that darn expensive but i certainly understand why he would. You put your life on the line every time you go out, you buy the best. I've heard a lot more guys are going to a low variable optic. Red dots are great, but i'd want something with precision out past 100 yards. Like i stated in another thread, in Afghanistan you aren't always relegated to urban fighting like you saw in Iraq. Ranges vary a lot more and you want something to reach out and touch someone if needed, imo.

I really like the look of that micro on your flat top btw. Big Smile


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Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum

"And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts. And I looked, and behold a pale horse, and his name that sat on him was Death, and hell followed with him."


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: July/25/2010 at 18:34
Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

Like i stated in another thread, in Afghanistan you aren't always relegated to urban fighting like you saw in Iraq. Ranges vary a lot more and you want something to reach out and touch someone if needed, imo.

I really like the look of that micro on your flat top btw. Big Smile
 
That comment was very interesting and one I hadn't thought of.
I have ZERO military experience outside of a AF NCO club Big Grin, so your comments come from experience.  
 
Thanks for your compliment!    
 


Posted By: shooter07
Date Posted: July/25/2010 at 18:46
Ahhhh, NCO clubs.....takes me back a few years lol Big Grin The hangout for us lowly enlisted. I generally stayed downtown or at a friends places for the social outings. The NCO clubs usually had to many tight arsed people for my liking. Wink




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Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum

"And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts. And I looked, and behold a pale horse, and his name that sat on him was Death, and hell followed with him."


Posted By: Will_Briggs
Date Posted: August/28/2016 at 06:02
Both the http://gunivore.com/accessories/eotech-magnifier-review/ - eotech and the aimpoint are great scopes.



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