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Topic: S.H.O.T. show 2010
Posted By: Chris Farris
Subject: S.H.O.T. show 2010
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 14:40
Lots of new stuff coming this year.  I'll update this thread with the best new stuff as the show continues.
 
Bushnell
Elite 8x42 10x42 ED Aspheric
Elite 10x42 10x42 ED Aspheric
Fusion 10x42 1600 Rangefinder Binocular
4200 3-12x44 Illuminated FFP mil-dot, 30mm
4200 6-24x50 Illuminated FFP mil-dot, 30mm
 
EOTech
XPS3
XPS2
 
Leupold
M4 Turrets .05 milradian 
M5 Turrets .10 milradian
1.1-8x24 CQBSS
DeltaPoint Refled Sights
Mark 4 LR/T 3.5-10x40 M5 FFP
Mark 4 LR/T 4.5-14x50 M4
Mark 4 ER/T 4.5-14x50mm M3 FFP
Mark 4 ER/T 4.5-14x50mm M5 FFP
Mark 4 ER/T 6.5-20x50mm M5 FFP
Mark 4 LR/T 8.5-25x50mm M5
Mark 4 ER/T 8.5-25x50mm M5
Mark 4 34mm Rings
 
Leica
ER 2.5-10x42
ER 3.5-14x42
 
Minox
ZA-3 3-9x40 $399
ZA-5 2-10x40
ZA-5 3-15x42
ZA-54-20x50
 
Nikon
M-223 Cantilever mount for flattops
M-223 1-4x20 Point Blank reticle, 55 gr 223/5.56 BDC, ARD
M-223 2-8x32 BDC-600 (increments of 50 yards), 55 gr 223/5.56 BDC, ARD
M-223 3-12x42 SF, BDC-600 (increments of 50 yards), 55 gr 223/5.56 BDC, ARD
 
Premier Reticles
1.1-8x24 V-8
 
Redfield
Revolution 2-7x33
Revolution 3-9x40
Revolution 3-9x50
Revolution 4-12x40
 
Sightron
SIII 10x42
SIII 16x42
SIII 20x42
SIII 8-32x56
SIII 10-50x60
 
Steiner
10x50 LRF
 
Swarovski
EL's with Swarovision
 
Vortex
PST 1-4x24
PST 2.5-10x44
PST 4-16x50
PST 6-24x50



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Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 16:13
Can't wait to see and hear about all the new stuff.

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"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 16:24
Chris, I'm hoping either you or ILya will get a chance to look over these new Minox scopes.


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 16:28
Already have and they are really nice.  Should hurt the Conquest pretty bad.


Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 16:32
Hmmmm, maybe that's why we're seeing the conquest discounted.

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"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 16:33
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Already have and they are really nice.  Should hurt the Conquest pretty bad.

How interesting....

ILya


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Posted By: billyburl2
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 16:40
Rumor was that Leopold was introducing a new long- range tac scope too. No show? 

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Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 16:41
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Already have and they are really nice.  Should hurt the Conquest pretty bad.
If Zeiss was smart, they'd start putting the Lotutec coating on the Conquest. I'd buy a new one for that.

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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 16:45
Good idea, Jason and keep the price the same.

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"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 16:47
Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

Good idea, Jason and keep the price the same.
They wouldn't be able to make them fast enough. Look at how much attention the 4200 gets for the rainguard alone.

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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 16:51
Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

Rumor was that Leopold was introducing a new long- range tac scope too. No show? 
 
Many things can not be mentioned yet.


Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 16:56
Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Already have and they are really nice.  Should hurt the Conquest pretty bad.

If Zeiss was smart, they'd start putting the Lotutec coating on the Conquest. I'd buy a new one for that.


From a marketing standpoint it would hurt their Diavari sales I'm sure.


Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 16:57
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Already have and they are really nice.  Should hurt the Conquest pretty bad.


You've looked through one Chris?


Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 17:01
From where I stand, the Diavari is bought by people who want the absolute best. I think these people would still buy the Diavari, but for everyone else, looking at scopes in the price range of $4-800, it could be the feature that makes the difference. It is still a large jump in price from any Conquest to a Diavari. But I could be totally off base. I'm certainly not a marketing guru.

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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 17:02
Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Already have and they are really nice.  Should hurt the Conquest pretty bad.


You've looked through one Chris?
 
Yes


Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 17:13
Chris, what was your impression of the Bushnell fusion rangefinding binocular. Not that I'd expect them to be better than a Geovid, but may be interested in one for the old man.

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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 17:18
Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Chris, what was your impression of the Bushnell fusion rangefinding binocular. Not that I'd expect them to be better than a Geovid, but may be interested in one for the old man.
 
Above average bino, we will retail them under $800.


Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 17:31
Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

From where I stand, the Diavari is bought by people who want the absolute best. I think these people would still buy the Diavari, but for everyone else, looking at scopes in the price range of $4-800, it could be the feature that makes the difference. It is still a large jump in price from any Conquest to a Diavari. But I could be totally off base. I'm certainly not a marketing guru.


You could very well be right as maybe Lotu-Tec perhaps isn't the deal breaker anyway. I had forgotten how much loot was between a Conquest and a Diavari. I will say however, that I've stopped trying to figure out what motivates the German mindset regarding what American hunters want and need. Puzzling at times to say the least.


Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 17:50
Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

From where I stand, the Diavari is bought by people who want the absolute best. I think these people would still buy the Diavari, but for everyone else, looking at scopes in the price range of $4-800, it could be the feature that makes the difference. It is still a large jump in price from any Conquest to a Diavari. But I could be totally off base. I'm certainly not a marketing guru.
 

I will say however, that I've stopped trying to figure out what motivates the German mindset regarding what American hunters want and need. Puzzling at times to say the least.
I'll second that. Have they ever seen a real life american before?

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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 17:55
Only pictures best I can tell. The problem is they build what they think is best, not what say guys like you and I might tell them would be best for American hunters. They almost seem offended if you tell them otherwise.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 20:22
man i wish i was at shot show, hope you guys are having fun. keep ted out of jail would ya?Whistling

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 20:35
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

man i wish i was at shot show, hope you guys are having fun. keep ted out of jail would ya?Whistling
 
We're trying are hardest but I don't know how successful we'll be, he's at Thunder Down Under right now and I'm about to hit the craps table.


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 20:38
Since you can't go you can follow what is happening on line.
 
·         FOLLOW THE SHOT SHOW ONLINE . . . Members of the media or anyone with an interest in the SHOT Show are encouraged to visit http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102949563374&s=47963&e=001k1gNzwvV0R6T49qCKgqZPin-lRdlSdFm0lYkutrV9hRmoin2b8H2l3xhS_EA8mBsveiRH_-C6Jh460KYlttlDFi3_QT9nvyxjV5HTiBtqKU= - www.nssf.org or http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102949563374&s=47963&e=001k1gNzwvV0R4msi-iF90Umv_FXiNfhwssmXDYoXAHqS1xgqx6NbnFGpK19C6rawBrPhUALEw9CGJ5AqliGeFa3TtVU9wtLmPY4hMMtXHYqY5V5eh75kgGag== - www.shotshow.org throughout the show for live updates, including news releases, blog posts, video, photos, links to other sites providing coverage and more. Also, follow along on http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102949563374&s=47963&e=001k1gNzwvV0R5EU1ua4aUvYcKx2zGrrzWUV1_Gp3m0CirIFQx9k7L5XhyLejS0nUMkEdFUzzsdl3MUqKzkUKXYEDxy_-GLOp34-SjP_3OEN9bPThu8ewiknMmTbTLo8Jqh - Twitter and http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102949563374&s=47963&e=001k1gNzwvV0R7dgRdWSIWGNBkQbq54SiN0UEuGbDMKlXNEJqvWbf9T08mh8NGpXRv5_54Uqq21P_GzPSbSi66jWlXyZt7nZdy2Wry-yWC7stcnpQxZum7XV7h_Lw-Wxqjx - Facebook .


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 21:01

Top Secret Stuff.........

 
Don't ask.....don't tell...


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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 21:48
Get Your Popcorn Ready


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Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 21:51
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Since you can't go you can follow what is happening on line.
 
·         FOLLOW THE SHOT SHOW ONLINE . . . Members of the media or anyone with an interest in the SHOT Show are encouraged to visit http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102949563374&s=47963&e=001k1gNzwvV0R6T49qCKgqZPin-lRdlSdFm0lYkutrV9hRmoin2b8H2l3xhS_EA8mBsveiRH_-C6Jh460KYlttlDFi3_QT9nvyxjV5HTiBtqKU= - or http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102949563374&s=47963&e=001k1gNzwvV0R4msi-iF90Umv_FXiNfhwssmXDYoXAHqS1xgqx6NbnFGpK19C6rawBrPhUALEw9CGJ5AqliGeFa3TtVU9wtLmPY4hMMtXHYqY5V5eh75kgGag== - throughout the show for live updates, including news releases, blog posts, video, photos, links to other sites providing coverage and more. Also, follow along on http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102949563374&s=47963&e=001k1gNzwvV0R5EU1ua4aUvYcKx2zGrrzWUV1_Gp3m0CirIFQx9k7L5XhyLejS0nUMkEdFUzzsdl3MUqKzkUKXYEDxy_-GLOp34-SjP_3OEN9bPThu8ewiknMmTbTLo8Jqh - and http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102949563374&s=47963&e=001k1gNzwvV0R7dgRdWSIWGNBkQbq54SiN0UEuGbDMKlXNEJqvWbf9T08mh8NGpXRv5_54Uqq21P_GzPSbSi66jWlXyZt7nZdy2Wry-yWC7stcnpQxZum7XV7h_Lw-Wxqjx - .


Thunbs Up


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If nobody ever said anything unless he knew what he was talking about, a ghastly hush would descend upon the earth. AP Herbert

Stupidity & ignorance have been the foundation for many certainties.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 22:11
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Since you can't go you can follow what is happening on line.
 
·         FOLLOW THE SHOT SHOW ONLINE . . . Members of the media or anyone with an interest in the SHOT Show are encouraged to visit http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102949563374&s=47963&e=001k1gNzwvV0R6T49qCKgqZPin-lRdlSdFm0lYkutrV9hRmoin2b8H2l3xhS_EA8mBsveiRH_-C6Jh460KYlttlDFi3_QT9nvyxjV5HTiBtqKU= - or http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102949563374&s=47963&e=001k1gNzwvV0R4msi-iF90Umv_FXiNfhwssmXDYoXAHqS1xgqx6NbnFGpK19C6rawBrPhUALEw9CGJ5AqliGeFa3TtVU9wtLmPY4hMMtXHYqY5V5eh75kgGag== - throughout the show for live updates, including news releases, blog posts, video, photos, links to other sites providing coverage and more. Also, follow along on http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102949563374&s=47963&e=001k1gNzwvV0R5EU1ua4aUvYcKx2zGrrzWUV1_Gp3m0CirIFQx9k7L5XhyLejS0nUMkEdFUzzsdl3MUqKzkUKXYEDxy_-GLOp34-SjP_3OEN9bPThu8ewiknMmTbTLo8Jqh - and http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102949563374&s=47963&e=001k1gNzwvV0R7dgRdWSIWGNBkQbq54SiN0UEuGbDMKlXNEJqvWbf9T08mh8NGpXRv5_54Uqq21P_GzPSbSi66jWlXyZt7nZdy2Wry-yWC7stcnpQxZum7XV7h_Lw-Wxqjx - .


sweet, so whats the web address for the after party activity???Wink


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: skywalker
Date Posted: January/19/2010 at 10:41
Yall going to have any of the Minox on the samplelist once SHOT is over?  


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: January/19/2010 at 11:00
Originally posted by skywalker skywalker wrote:

Yall going to have any of the Minox on the samplelist once SHOT is over?  
The samplelist is always being updated with new products going on and sold products coming off.  Normally with a new model coming out and older one being discontinued it will be put on closeout on SWFA first.  But, being new products are coming out a lot of older models will be traded in, and make it to the sample list.  It woud be impossible I think to say for sure they will but the chances are high I would think that some of everything will be added soon


Posted By: skywalker
Date Posted: January/19/2010 at 13:57
Yes, I understand, just looking for some official word.....would like to call 'dibbs'.....Big Grin


Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: January/20/2010 at 18:48
Originally posted by skywalker skywalker wrote:

Yes, I understand, just looking for some official word.....would like to call 'dibbs'.....Big Grin


Back of the line Newbie!   Geesh!     LOL!

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Posted By: Smokey53119
Date Posted: January/20/2010 at 19:39
Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Only pictures best I can tell. The problem is they build what they think is best, not what say guys like you and I might tell them would be best for American hunters. They almost seem offended if you tell them otherwise.
 
The saying around here is "you can always tell a German, you just can't tell him much"


Posted By: biggreen747
Date Posted: January/20/2010 at 19:49
Originally posted by Smokey53119 Smokey53119 wrote:

Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Only pictures best I can tell. The problem is they build what they think is best, not what say guys like you and I might tell them would be best for American hunters. They almost seem offended if you tell them otherwise.
 
The saying around here is "you can always tell a German, you just can't tell him much"

Boy you got that right. 



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Posted By: Skunk
Date Posted: January/20/2010 at 21:33
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by skywalker skywalker wrote:

Yall going to have any of the Minox on the samplelist once SHOT is over?  
The samplelist is always being updated with new products going on and sold products coming off.  Normally with a new model coming out and older one being discontinued it will be put on closeout on SWFA first.  But, being new products are coming out a lot of older models will be traded in, and make it to the sample list.  It woud be impossible I think to say for sure they will but the chances are high I would think that some of everything will be added soon
 
What is your take on how prices are arrived at?   Do you think they are good deals?  How do they compare with other discount deelers? 


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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/20/2010 at 21:59
Well Skunk.... Where have you been?

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/20/2010 at 22:00
over at brandos watching cars2 i bet!!

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 08:21
Originally posted by biggreen747 biggreen747 wrote:

Originally posted by Smokey53119 Smokey53119 wrote:

Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Only pictures best I can tell. The problem is they build what they think is best, not what say guys like you and I might tell them would be best for American hunters. They almost seem offended if you tell them otherwise.
 
The saying around here is "you can always tell a German, you just can't tell him much"

Boy you got that right. 



HEY!  I represent that comment.


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If nobody ever said anything unless he knew what he was talking about, a ghastly hush would descend upon the earth. AP Herbert

Stupidity & ignorance have been the foundation for many certainties.


Posted By: BoDaggitt
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 08:23
SVT_tactical, beings you work for SWFA what kind of deal can you get me on a Trijicon 3-9x green duplex reticle.  I am hoping you can set me up with something good as you seem to have a lot of knowledge of operations so I figure you must be a manager or something.  Come on now, hook a guy up.  Thunbs Up


Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 08:25
http://nssf.typepad.com/shotshow/?campaignid=61537835&iusercampaignid=60090528 - http://nssf.typepad.com/shotshow/?campaignid=61537835&iusercampaignid=60090528

Our Governor is at the SHOT Show.  Trying to solicit firearm and related industry manufacturing to the state.





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If nobody ever said anything unless he knew what he was talking about, a ghastly hush would descend upon the earth. AP Herbert

Stupidity & ignorance have been the foundation for many certainties.


Posted By: swtucker
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 08:47
Originally posted by SD Dog SD Dog wrote:

http://nssf.typepad.com/shotshow/?campaignid=61537835&iusercampaignid=60090528 - http://nssf.typepad.com/shotshow/?campaignid=61537835&iusercampaignid=60090528

Our Governor is at the SHOT Show.  Trying to solicit firearm and related industry manufacturing to the state.



There for a second, I thought your Gov. was Steven Segal....


Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 08:57
That would be funny, but as the tale of tape shows, celebrity Govs don't always do so hot.

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If nobody ever said anything unless he knew what he was talking about, a ghastly hush would descend upon the earth. AP Herbert

Stupidity & ignorance have been the foundation for many certainties.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 09:41
Originally posted by SD Dog SD Dog wrote:

That would be funny, but as the tale of tape shows, celebrity Govs don't always do so hot.


Segal is no celebrity, he's a Sheriff's Deputy in Louisiana, and a damn fat one too.


Chris, I hear the new Premier 1.1-8 will retail somewhere in the ballpark of $3K, does it seem worth that price? 


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 10:19
Originally posted by BoDaggitt BoDaggitt wrote:

SVT_tactical, beings you work for SWFA what kind of deal can you get me on a Trijicon 3-9x green duplex reticle.  I am hoping you can set me up with something good as you seem to have a lot of knowledge of operations so I figure you must be a manager or something.  Come on now, hook a guy up.  Thunbs Up
Not sure how you figure I work there, I don't.  Anybody that has delt on here long knows how the sample list goes, I just responed first. 


Posted By: BoDaggitt
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 10:22
So you can't get me a deal?


Posted By: Skunk
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 10:29
Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Well Skunk.... Where have you been?
Mis Ami France
 
I have zee very brief excursion back to America
 
Soon I must depart again
 
Monsieur ZVT does not respond.  He perhaps does not wich to help me?


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Let me give you my two scents worth


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 10:33
Originally posted by BoDaggitt BoDaggitt wrote:

So you can't get me a deal?


Go easy on the kid, he's new and still learning the ropes.


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The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."


Posted By: Skunk
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 10:38
There are ropes heer?  Is what?

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Let me give you my two scents worth


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 10:43
The ropes are the things with which you hang yourself sometimes, usually unintentionally.

This is not a "free love" crowd, we fire live rounds.


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The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 10:46
Originally posted by Skunk Skunk wrote:

Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Well Skunk.... Where have you been?
Mis Ami France
 
I have zee very brief excursion back to America
 
Soon I must depart again
 
Monsieur ZVT does not respond.  He perhaps does not wich to help me?
 
I do feel that SWFA is the most competitive place to buy optics, new and on the samplelist.  I have purchase a lot from them over the last few years but am relatively new to the forum side of it.  The thing that sets SWFA apart is the customer service, which in my opinion the best I have seen.  They way they upkeep this forum and provide consumers with help on shopping and learning optics advice is  second to none.


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 11:10
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

I do feel that SWFA is the most competitive place to buy optics, new and on the samplelist.  I have purchase a lot from them over the last few years but am relatively new to the forum side of it.  The thing that sets SWFA apart is the customer service, which in my opinion the best I have seen.  They way they upkeep this forum and provide consumers with help on shopping and learning optics advice is  second to none.
Excellent

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With Freedom comes great responsibility, you cannot have one without the other

An armed public are citizens. A disarmed public are subjects.

OATH KEEPER #8233 Support us, and join our cause.

Cyborg


Posted By: clark98ut
Date Posted: January/21/2010 at 16:44
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Already have and they are really nice.  Should hurt the Conquest pretty bad.

How interesting....

ILya


Translation:  "I disagree." or "Can't wait to see them myself."?

-Dan


Posted By: FuddyDudd
Date Posted: January/22/2010 at 01:53
Ya'll silly. Five page's of flirt'n goin on here. Four post in five pages @ optics. Phone lines are down it's Texas Flood'n.  Have them SWFA Medium rings came in yet? I need em' yesNo Pics


Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: January/22/2010 at 05:04
Originally posted by FuddyDudd FuddyDudd wrote:

Ya'll silly. Five page's of flirt'n goin on here. Four post in five pages @ optics. Phone lines are down it's Texas Flood'n.  Have them SWFA Medium rings came in yet? I need em' yesNo Pics


My favorite Stevie Ray Vaughn song!  An from Bama, you must be kin!   LOL!

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: January/22/2010 at 12:39
What is the last day of the Shot Show?


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/22/2010 at 12:41
yesterday

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: January/22/2010 at 12:44
Thanks Hunter.


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/22/2010 at 21:11
Actually, it was still going on today.  I spoke to one of the vendors on the floor today.  Said it was, overall, a pretty "slow" show.  Economy hurt it a bit.  

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/22/2010 at 22:52
those liars, on the very top of the web site it says 18-21 then half way down the page the real schedule is there.

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: January/23/2010 at 13:09
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

man i wish i was at shot show, hope you guys are having fun. keep ted out of jail would ya?Whistling
 
We're trying are hardest but I don't know how successful we'll be, he's at Thunder Down Under right now and I'm about to hit the craps table.


Dammit, Chris, I asked you to keep my second career a secret!  Yes, it can be a very degrading and dehumanizing life at times, but the fact is, those hot, wild cougars at Vegas pay me quite handsomely to dance on their tables wearing only my spandex elephant trunk shorts!  Still, I'd like for people to respect me for my mind, not just my body!


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/23/2010 at 13:17
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

man i wish i was at shot show, hope you guys are having fun. keep ted out of jail would ya?Whistling
 
We're trying are hardest but I don't know how successful we'll be, he's at Thunder Down Under right now and I'm about to hit the craps table.


Dammit, Chris, I asked you to keep my second career a secret!  Yes, it can be a very degrading and dehumanizing life at times, but the fact is, those hot, wild cougars at Vegas pay me quite handsomely to dance on their tables wearing only my spandex elephant trunk shorts!  Still, I'd like for people to respect me for my mind, not just my body!
Make no mistake Ted, around here, we DO...


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Posted By: ccoker
Date Posted: January/23/2010 at 15:34
We have  much more detailed report coming but here's a few highlights


I think Vortex is going to sell a ton of the 1-4 vipers
nice scope
everyone in our group liked it
Overall I really liked the Vortex stuff and the people at the booth
seemed genuinely intersted in feedback

the 1-4 Razor with HD and FFP reticle was nice but it's a steep price tag and that's entering a tough market...

The Preimer Reticles 1-8 was just bad to the bone

red dot to at 1x and transition into a mildot as you go up

that was just high lust factor!

Was surpised to see the S&B 1-8 have the ill reticle off center on both of their scopes.. I realize it's pre production models but seems like it would be better not to bring them or have them under glass

Checked out the Leupold 1.1-8 and though it was nice but for my personal needs the reticle was too much..  I know it was under direction of some special ops guys of which of course I am not. So, their needs obviously drove the design and I am sure it works for them as needed.


Was happy to see Khales back in US distribution and they will have a US service center that will initially work on only the current line of scopes being imported as they need to have them ramped up on "their" product lines
I expressed concern over that and that they really need to get to supporting all Kahles products. I have one of their 3-10x50 Multizeros on my LTR 308 and love it

Spent some time at the Triicon booth and I have a TR24-3G and a TR20-2G and have owned a few Acogs, I like their stuff

Nothing new but it was great to be able to check most models out back to back
I have been interested lately in a TA44SG-10  and it was great to check out in person.  I really want to get one in to run for a while on my 16" lightweight 6.8 which I use as a stalking hunting rifle


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Posted By: TexasJB
Date Posted: January/23/2010 at 16:11
For the quality and price point of the Vortex I really like them As for the SB new 1x8 I'm not impressed, more like completely disappointed!


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: January/23/2010 at 16:14

I need another scope and some talley lightweight rings.............. Light It Up 



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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: January/23/2010 at 17:51
Originally posted by ccoker ccoker wrote:


Was happy to see Khales back in US distribution and they will have a US service center that will initially work on only the current line of scopes being imported as they need to have them ramped up on "their" product lines
I expressed concern over that and that they really need to get to supporting all Kahles products.


Me too.  For the benefit of the group, Gamo USA is their new importer.  According to the rep I spoke to, they will no longer produce the CL and KX lines, or any other 1" tube scope.  He said there were just too many 1" tube scopes at price points they were not willing to compete for, so they are sticking to their C/CSX and K series tactical models.  One interesting new feature of the CSX is the reticle illumination controls include some sort of inclination switch.  Thus, once illumination is turned on, it switches the reticle off when the scope is tilted to the side or straight up.  Therefore, you can leave reticle illumination on and it will remain off during sling carry or while laying the rifle on its side in your lap.  When you raise it into shooting position, the reticle switches on automatically.

I agree that Vortex should do very well with their new Viper PST series tactical scopes.  The Razor HD scopes are superb, but also very expensive.  Nevertheless, they have a lot of nice features and from what I see, they should compete well against other premium "sub-Hensoldt/Premier" level tactical scopes.  The Viper PST scopes are very reasonably priced for what you get.  I took another look at the Razor HD spotter (I had seen it a year ago at a previous trade show), and it should really give the "alpha" class spotters a run for their money!  Their Recon compact, hand-held spotting scopes are really nice, a great idea at a nice price.  I want one!  They Vortex people were very nice, very helpful, and very open to product suggestions.  I continue to be impressed with not only their products, but their whole company and philosophy.

Zeiss has some new Victory FL series tactical scopes that look to be essentially identical to their Hensoldt cousins, though in different magnification ranges/ objective sizes and different reticle options.  I really like the locking knob adjustment rings these scopes feature!  Of course, optically they are spectacular -- pretty much the same as Hensoldt.  I don't particularly care for their illumination controls compared to competing scopes, but nothing's perfect, and the rest of the scope seems damn close to being perfect to me.  They also have a new Diascope FL spotting scope that has improved image quality over their previous Diascope, in response to the latest scopes from Swaro, Kowa, Leica, etc.  It has a much larger sweet spot than the previous scope, without the soft field edge the previous Diascope was known for.  It features a dual ratio focuser like the previous scope, but coarse and fine adjustments are combined in a single knob.  You adjust the coarse focus first, then rotate the knob in the opposite direction to disengage coarse focus into fine focus.  It's hard to explain without actually rotating the focus knob.

I finally got an opportunity to see the March series of 10X zoom (!) scopes, and I was very impressed!  Optically, they looked to me to be as good as anything I've ever seen.  They seemed to have world class resolution.  Koshkin agreed, but he thought that maybe they didn't quite have the "color popping" contrast you'd see with, say, Swaro.  Mechanically, the knobs and other controls seemed solid, with consistent feel.  The scopes I was most impressed with were the 1-10X and 2.5-25X models.  They even had an 8-80X56 (no, that was not a typo), but obviously, such a scope has very limited practical applications.

Meopta has a new line of value priced scopes and binoculars called "MeoPro" that are assembled in the US.  The MeoPro scopes have 1" tubes, and are evidently intended to compete with Zeiss Conquest.  I wasn't overly impressed with the binoculars, but maybe I would have been had I heard their price point first.  I wish I had gone back and looked at them again with my price expectations recalibrated.  I didn't see the MeoPro scopes, as there was a bunch of people standing around in the booth and must have blocked them from view.  Again, I wish I had an opportunity to go back and look at them.  Koshkin said he was impressed with them and thought they would compete very favorably with Conquest.

Minox has a new series of 1" tube riflescopes called "ZA-3" and "ZA-5" (which denotes the zoom range) as well as a new flagship roof binocular series called "APO HG."  I wouldn't personally buy one of the ZA scopes over the Conquest.  I hated the magnification ring.  It was smooth rubber with no gripping surfaces except for one raised ear.  It looked to me like it might get torn off the scope easily during use.  The W/E knobs also had an annoying play in them.  Optically, they were pretty good, but they showed some flare I wouldn't have expected with the lighting inside the building.  I don't know if these were prototypes or actual production scopes.  I thought the APO HG binoculars were pretty nice.  Production of this series has moved to Germany.  In order to improve the FOV, Minox changed from aspherical lens construction to complex lens elements.  They produced a very good image, but despite the FOV improvements touted over the standard HG series, FOV is still a bit narrower than competing roof binos in that class.

Swarovski has a new EL "Swarovision" binocular that is incredible, with a sharp image out to the edge of the field.  However, I noticed a slight "rolling ball" effect when panning, undoubtedly a result of the design tradeoffs of trying to achieve a flat field, without the intentional pincushion distortion most manufacturers incorporate into their designs.

Leica's new ER scopes are very nice.  I really like their compact ocular housings, which results in a longer tube length.  Aesthetically, they are very nice looking scopes.  Optically, they are about what you would expect in that class, but I did notice slight violet CA while looking toward the lights in the showroom with the 2.5-10X42 scope set at 6X and higher.  I don't know if this is typical or not.  Though they are nice, I think they may have a hard time competing against Zeiss and Swaro.

Firearms-wise, I didn't recall anything earth-shattering.  I'm not implying there wasn't anything really nice in the firearms world -- there were tons of kick-ass guns I was drooling over -- just nothing new that I wasn't already familiar with.  Plus, it would take too much time and space to describe all the nice guns I saw.  There were a few new versions of some existing models from most of the majors, but most consisted of just new chamberings.  Overwhelmingly, the theme of the show was that more manufacturers are getting on the AR and tactical bandwagon.  There was an almost endless supply of "tacticool" accessories as well. 

Basically, all of the really good manufacturers had really incredible gear as one would expect, there was plenty of good, solid "middle of the road" gear from the usual suspects, and all the "el cheapo" manufacturers had more of the same cheap crap.

Incidentally, speaking of cheap crap, I did go by and screw with the Countersniper / Black Ops folks.  What a bunch of conscienceless con artists they are!!!  Just like the endless verbiage in their ads, their scopes are emblazoned with "Property of US Government" and "Manufactured to US Government specifications for the United States armed forces in d

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Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: January/23/2010 at 18:01
Thanks Ted, I was hoping the Minox scopes were going to be a knock out, now I.........

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Posted By: ccoker
Date Posted: January/23/2010 at 18:19
Likewise Ted
nice to meet both you and Koshkin
nice long winded gun nut dinner as well!

The Countersniper stuff was just total junk
I was telling my son about them, with most scopes, you look into a dark area and the image gets brighter, with theirs it was darker

now, I know everyone has to make a living, but it's such garbage and they are so obviously capitalizating on the "tactical" market, stuff like that is what creates the "tacticool"name

funny that when I woke up with this morning there was a mag from a discount blowout merchant and it had ads for those on the front and back

a guy at work brough it some crappy chinese scope he bought from a gun show, ill ret, picatinny rails, etc.. it was junk, he asked me what I thought and I wanted to be nice and not slam his purchase..   he wants it for one of his new ARs
he doesn't know guns or optics and it had the cool features and was cheap
I told him for the same money he could have bought a standard scope like a Nikon Monarch, 4200 etc...  he didn't need the "tactical" crap

I hate that crap

not everyone need or can afford the ultra high end tactical stuff (myself included) but don't buy crap, those companies are just con artists ripping people off, piss on em

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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: January/23/2010 at 18:23
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

[QUOTE=ccoker]
Was happy to see Khales back in US distribution and they will have a US service center that will initially work on only the current line of scopes being imported as they need to have them ramped up on "their" product lines
I expressed concern over that and that they really need to get to supporting all Kahles products.


Me too.  For the benefit of the group, Gamo USA is their new importer.  According to the rep I spoke to, they will no longer produce the CL and KX lines, or any other 1" tube scope.  He said there were just too many 1" tube scopes at price points they were not willing to compete for, so they are sticking to their C/CSX and K series tactical models.  One interesting new feature of the CSX is the reticle illumination controls include some sort of inclination switch.  Thus, once illumination is turned on, it switches the reticle off when the scope is tilted to the side or straight up.  Therefore, you can leave reticle illumination on and it will remain off during sling carry or while laying the rifle on its side in your lap.  When you raise it into shooting position, the reticle switches on automatically.

I agree that Vortex should do very well with their new Viper PST series tactical scopes.  The Razor HD scopes are superb, but also very expensive.  Nevertheless, they have a lot of nice features and from what I see, they should compete well against other premium "sub-Hensoldt/Premier" level tactical scopes.  The Viper PST scopes are very reasonably priced for what you get.  I took another look at the Razor HD spotter (I had seen it a year ago at a previous trade show), and it should really give the "alpha" class spotters a run for their money!  Their Recon compact, hand-held spotting scopes are really nice, a great idea at a nice price.  I want one!  They Vortex people were very nice, very helpful, and very open to product suggestions.  I continue to be impressed with not only their products, but their whole company and philosophy.

Zeiss has some new Victory FL series tactical scopes that look to be essentially identical to their Hensoldt cousins, though in different magnification ranges/ objective sizes and different reticle options.  I really like the locking knob adjustment rings these scopes feature!  Of course, optically they are spectacular -- pretty much the same as Hensoldt.  I don't particularly care for their illumination controls compared to competing scopes, but nothing's perfect, and the rest of the scope seems damn close to being perfect to me.  They also have a new Diascope FL spotting scope that has improved image quality over their previous Diascope, in response to the latest scopes from Swaro, Kowa, Leica, etc.  It has a much larger sweet spot than the previous scope, without the soft field edge the previous Diascope was known for.  It features a dual ratio focuser like the previous scope, but coarse and fine adjustments are combined in a single knob.  You adjust the coarse focus first, then rotate the knob in the opposite direction to disengage coarse focus into fine focus.  It's hard to explain without actually rotating the focus knob.

I finally got an opportunity to see the March series of 10X zoom (!) scopes, and I was very impressed!  Optically, they looked to me to be as good as anything I've ever seen.  They seemed to have world class resolution.  Koshkin agreed, but he thought that maybe they didn't quite have the "color popping" contrast you'd see with, say, Swaro.  Mechanically, the knobs and other controls seemed solid, with consistent feel.  The scopes I was most impressed with were the 1-10X and 2.5-25X models.  They even had an 8-80X56 (no, that was not a typo), but obviously, such a scope has very limited practical applications.

Meopta has a new line of value priced scopes and binoculars called "MeoPro" that are assembled in the US.  The MeoPro scopes have 1" tubes, and are evidently intended to compete with Zeiss Conquest.  I wasn't overly impressed with the binoculars, but maybe I would have been had I heard their price point first.  I wish I had gone back and looked at them again with my price expectations recalibrated.  I didn't see the MeoPro scopes, as there was a bunch of people standing around in the booth and must have blocked them from view.  Again, I wish I had an opportunity to go back and look at them.  Koshkin said he was impressed with them and thought they would compete very favorably with Conquest.

Minox has a new series of 1" tube riflescopes called "ZA-3" and "ZA-5" (which denotes the zoom range) as well as a new flagship roof binocular series called "APO HG."  I wouldn't personally buy one of the ZA scopes over the Conquest.  I hated the magnification ring.  It was smooth rubber with no gripping surfaces except for one raised ear.  It looked to me like it might get torn off the scope easily during use.  The W/E knobs also had an annoying play in them.  Optically, they were pretty good, but they showed some flare I wouldn't have expected with the lighting inside the building.  I don't know if these were prototypes or actual production scopes.  I thought the APO HG binoculars were pretty nice.  Production of this series has moved to Germany.  In order to improve the FOV, Minox changed from aspherical lens construction to complex lens elements.  They produced a very good image, but despite the FOV improvements touted over the standard HG series, FOV is still a bit narrower than competing roof binos in that class.

Swarovski has a new EL "Swarovision" binocular that is incredible, with a sharp image out to the edge of the field.  However, I noticed a slight "rolling ball" effect when panning, undoubtedly a result of the design tradeoffs of trying to achieve a flat field, without the intentional pincushion distortion most manufacturers incorporate into their designs.

Leica's new ER scopes are very nice.  I really like their compact ocular housings, which results in a longer tube length.  Aesthetically, they are very nice looking scopes.  Optically, they are about what you would expect in that class, but I did notice slight violet CA while looking toward the lights in the showroom with the 2.5-10X42 scope set at 6X and higher.  I don't know if this is typical or not.  Though they are nice, I think they may have a hard time competing against Zeiss and Swaro.

Firearms-wise, I didn't recall anything earth-shattering.  I'm not implying there wasn't anything really nice in the firearms world -- there were tons of kick-ass guns I was drooling over -- just nothing new that I wasn't already familiar with.  Plus, it would take too much time and space to describe all the nice guns I saw.  There were a few new versions of some existing models from most of the majors, but most consisted of just new chamberings.  Overwhelmingly, the theme of the show was that more manufacturers are getting on the AR and tactical bandwagon.  There was an almost endless supply of "tacticool" accessories as well. 

Basically, all of the really good manufacturers had really incredible gear as one would expect, there was plenty of good, solid "middle of the road" gear from the usual suspects, and all the "el cheapo" manufacturers had more of the same cheap crap.

Incidentally, speaking of cheap crap, I did go by and screw with the Countersniper / Black Ops folks.  What a bunch of conscienceless con artists they are!!!  Just like the endless verbiage in their ads, their scopes are emblazoned with "Property of US Government" and "Manufactured to US Government specifications for the United State

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/23/2010 at 19:11
Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

Thanks Ted, I was hoping the Minox scopes were going to be a knock out, now I.........


Every scope deserves a chance.  Perhaps we saw pre-production pieces.  Either way, I will try to get a hold of both Minox and Meopta people and compare their 1" scopes to Conquest.

I did a "what can you get for $200?" comparison.  This can be a "what can you get for $400?".

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Posted By: Monster
Date Posted: January/23/2010 at 20:02
So did any of you guys get to visit the Huskemaw or maybe gun works booth? Whistling

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/23/2010 at 21:27
Originally posted by TexasJB TexasJB wrote:

For the quality and price point of the Vortex I really like them As for the SB new 1x8 I'm not impressed, more like completely disappointed!


Usually cheaptrick does this, but since he snoozing somewhere....

Welcome to the Forum!

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/24/2010 at 10:19
So, I take it the PST 1-4 demo was not purchased, as requested?

We had a term for that in the Marine Corps, but I won't use it here.

To all, thanx for the write-ups.

Sorry I missed it, will try harder to be in attendance in 2011.


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Posted By: Monster
Date Posted: January/24/2010 at 23:25
So i take it there was no huskemaw booth?

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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: January/24/2010 at 23:27
huskemaw's booth was at the cat house.

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Posted By: TexasJB
Date Posted: January/24/2010 at 23:46
where was the cat house?


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: January/25/2010 at 01:55

http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/shot-show-shocker-fbi-nabs-22-firearms-reps-at-shot-show/ - SHOT Show Shocker: FBI Nabs 22 Firearms Reps at SHOT Show

Filed under: http://en.wordpress.com/tag/news/ - News — Tags: http://en.wordpress.com/tag/bribery/ - Bribery , http://en.wordpress.com/tag/fbi/ - FBI , http://en.wordpress.com/tag/shot-show/ - SHOT Show , http://en.wordpress.com/tag/sting/ - Sting — Editor @ 9 am

Culminating a 2.5-year investigation, on January 20th, FBI agents arrested 22 execs and sales employees at the 2010 SHOT Show, on allegations that the defendants, to secure lucrative arms contracts, had tried to bribe FBI agents posing as foreign officials. The FBI based its arrests on alleged violations of the 1977 Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA).

According to Outdoor Life: “Charged are people at companies in eight states and executives at companies in the United Kingdom and Israel. The defendants allegedly agreed to pay a 20 percent commission to a sales agent they believed represented the defense minister for an African country to win a multimillion-dollar deal to outfit the presidential guard. The sales agent was actually an undercover FBI agent, and no defense minister was involved at all.”

Over a two and a half year period, some 250 FBI agents were involved in the sting operation. Based on the length of the investigation, and the number of agents involved, this sting surely cost the taxpayers many millions of dollars, and also diverted manpower from much-needed investigations of suspected terrorists and big-time drug traffickers.

Can the Charges Stick?
At least one http://www.corporatecomplianceinsights.com/2010/africa-sting-fcpa-indictments-big-question - law professor thinks the Federal prosecutors may have great difficulty obtaining convictions. The reason is that object of the bribes was NOT a foreign official, but was instead an FBI agent. This may be similar to cases where store owners accused of selling alcohol to minors “beat the rap” because the “minors” were actually young-looking detectives well above the drinking age. Arguably, if there is no actual foreigner involved then there can not be an illegal bribe under the terms of the FCPA. However, there are some other crimes listed along with the alleged FCPA violations.

What Will Likely Happen?
We expect some of the less important defendants will plea bargain to stay out of jail. These “small fish” will be asked to turn States’ evidence to help the prosecution of the higher profile defendants, such as Smith & Wesson VP Amaro Goncalves. The big shots who were arrested will almost certainly mount a vigorous defense and appeal any convictions. The appeal process could go on for many years. Ultimately, the nation’s High Court might be asked to decide whether the FCPA can be violated when no actual foreign official was involved and the whole scheme was cooked up by American law enforcement.

Misguided Federal Priorities?
So far the mainstream media has missed the underlying question here — namely: “Why did the FBI, at the behest of the U.S. Dept. of Justice, commit millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of man-hours to trick American arms salesmen, when their alleged ‘crime’ may not be an FCPA violation at all, and when there are other far more important priorities — such as real terrorists?” The http://www.red-alerts.com/un-american-activities/f-b-i-arrests-sw-executive-in-shot-show-bribery-set-up/ - Red Alerts blog declared: “When dealing with third world nations corruption is part of the price of doing business. Everyone knows that but the government wasted the time of at least 250 FBI agents while real Muslim terrorists were sneaking underwear filled with binary explosives on airplanes.”



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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: January/25/2010 at 02:03
Well there should be some job openings at a few companies in the firearms industry.

FBI Sting Nabs 22 People Suspected of Bribing Foreign Officials

In what the Justice Department calls the largest single investigation and prosecution of individuals in the history of the 1977 Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, 22 people were arrested in an undercover sting operation aimed at schemes to bribe a foreign official.

WASHINGTON -- Twenty-two executives and employees at suppliers to the military and law enforcement agencies were arrested on the eve of their industry's annual trade show in Las Vegas after a 2 1/2-year undercover sting operation aimed at schemes to bribe a foreign official.

The Justice Department called the case the largest single investigation and prosecution of individuals in the history of the 1977 Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which bars bribery of foreign government officials. It also is the first large-scale use of an undercover operation in enforcing the corrupt practices act.

In a briefing for reporters, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, head of the Justice Department's criminal division, said there are more than 140 open investigations under the act.

Twenty-one of the 22 people caught up in the case were arrested in Las Vegas, where they were preparing to attend the 2010 Shooting, Hunting & Outdoor Trade Show, a convention with more than 55,000 attendees at the Sands Expo & Convention Center. The convention started Tuesday.

Charged are people at companies in eight states and executives at companies in the United Kingdom and Israel.

The defendants allegedly agreed to pay a 20 percent commission to a sales agent they believed represented the defense minister for an African country. They were trying to win a multimillion-dollar deal to outfit the presidential guard.

The sales agent was actually an undercover FBI agent, and no defense minister was involved at all.

In Las Vegas, word of the arrests came as a surprise to show organizers, said Mark Thomas, marketing and communications manager for the show host, the National Shooting Sports Foundation of Newtown, Conn. Thomas referred questions about the arrests to the FBI and Justice Department.

Those charged worked for companies in Arkansas, Virginia, Florida, California, Massachusetts, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Kentucky.

Indictments against each of the 22 individuals alleges conspiracy and substantive violations of the corrupt practices act and conspiracy to engage in money laundering. The charges relating to the corrupt practices act carry a maximum five-year prison sentence on conviction.

The maximum sentence for money laundering conspiracy is 20 years.

•Daniel Alvirez, 32, and Lee Allen Tolleson, 25, the president and director of acquisitions and logistics at a company in Bull Shoals, Ark., that manufactures and sells law enforcement and military equipment;
•Helmie Ashiblie, 44, the vice president and founder of a company in Woodbridge, Va., that supplies tactical bags and other security-related articles for law enforcement agencies and governments worldwide;
•Andrew Bigelow, 40, the managing partner and director of government programs for a Sarasota, Fla., company that sells machine guns, grenade launchers and other small arms and accessories;
•R. Patrick Caldwell, 61, and Stephen Gerard Giordanella, 50, the current and former chief executive officers of a Sunrise, Fla., company that designs and manufactures concealable and tactical body armor;
•Yochanan R. Cohen, aka Yochi Cohen, 47, the chief executive officer of a San Francisco company that manufactures security equipment, including body armor and ballistic plates;
•Haim Geri, 50, the president of a North Miami Beach, Fla., company that serves as a sales agent for companies in the law enforcement and military products industries;
•Amaro Goncalves, 49, the vice president of sales for a Springfield, Mass., company that designs and manufactures firearms, firearm safety/security products, rifles, firearms systems and accessories;
•John Gregory Godsey, aka Greg Godsey, 37, and Mark Frederick Morales, 37, the owner and agent of a Decatur, Ga., company that sells ammunition and other law enforcement and military equipment;
•Saul Mishkin, 38, the owner and chief executive officer of an Aventura, Fla., company that sells law enforcement and military equipment;
•John M. Mushriqui, 28, and Jeana Mushriqui, 30, the director of international development and general counsel/U.S. manager of an Upper Darby, Penn., company that manufactures and exports bulletproof vests and other law enforcement and military equipment;
•David R. Painter, 56, and Lee M. Wares, 43, the chairman and director of a United Kingdom company that markets armored vehicles;
•Pankesh Patel, 43, the managing director of a United Kingdom company that acts as sales agent for companies in the law enforcement and military products industries;
•Ofer Paz, 50, the president and chief executive officer of an Israeli company that acts as sales agent for companies in the law enforcement and military products industries;
•Jonathan M. Spiller, 58, the owner and president of a Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla., company that markets and sells law enforcement and military equipment;
•Israel Weisler, aka Wayne Weisler, 63, and Michael Sacks, 66, owners and co-chief executive officers of a Stearns, Ky., company that designs, manufactures and sells armor products, including body armor;
•John Benson Wier III, 46, the president of a St. Petersburg, Fla., company that sells tactical and ballistic equipment.
All of the defendants except Giordanella were arrested yesterday by FBI agents in Las Vegas. Giordanella was arrested in Miami, also by FBI agents.

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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: January/25/2010 at 05:06
interesting.

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Posted By: Monster
Date Posted: January/25/2010 at 06:40
Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

huskemaw's booth was at the cat house.
 
Haha thought so.....


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Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: January/25/2010 at 08:12

Misguided Federal Priorities?
So far the mainstream media has missed the underlying question here — namely: “Why did the FBI, at the behest of the U.S. Dept. of Justice, commit millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of man-hours to trick American arms salesmen, when their alleged ‘crime’ may not be an FCPA violation at all, and when there are other far more important priorities — such as real terrorists?” The http://www.red-alerts.com/un-american-activities/f-b-i-arrests-sw-executive-in-shot-show-bribery-set-up/ - Red Alerts blog declared: “When dealing with third world nations corruption is part of the price of doing business. Everyone knows that but the government wasted the time of at least 250 FBI agents while real Muslim terrorists were sneaking underwear filled with binary explosives on airplanes.”

This is the part that gets me.

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: January/25/2010 at 08:13
I agree LucyTuma


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: January/25/2010 at 08:20
Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

Misguided Federal Priorities?
So far the mainstream media has missed the underlying question here — namely: “Why did the FBI, at the behest of the U.S. Dept. of Justice, commit millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of man-hours to trick American arms salesmen, when their alleged ‘crime’ may not be an FCPA violation at all, and when there are other far more important priorities — such as real terrorists?” The http://www.red-alerts.com/un-american-activities/f-b-i-arrests-sw-executive-in-shot-show-bribery-set-up/ - Red Alerts blog declared: “When dealing with third world nations corruption is part of the price of doing business. Everyone knows that but the government wasted the time of at least 250 FBI agents while real Muslim terrorists were sneaking underwear filled with binary explosives on airplanes.”

This is the part that gets me.
 
We see this type of stuff all the time in South Africa. The only time a drug bust happens is when the dealers forgot to pay the cops. Then they are given a little reminder in the form of a drug bust or two.
Maybe these guys forgot to make the monthly payment?


Posted By: Dale Clifford
Date Posted: January/25/2010 at 09:28
This has some positive things for regular gun owners.  FBI gets credit for doing their job, however dubious, instead of monitoring regular citizens, a group of people get put thru the mill that has nothing to do with the type of gun ownership/usage we talk about on this forum,press gets a story. Whats done with it will be the important issue. Such as stopping the media from implicating all gun shows as international arms dealers and blocking the example for food in current adminstration anti-gun agenda.
 
 


Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: January/25/2010 at 09:40
RD, thanks for the synopsis.  Got to try to make it one of these years.

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Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: January/25/2010 at 10:53

"On Thursday, the FBI made another visit, picking up several foreign nationals and charging them with counterfeiting gun products.  It was done quietly, but the folks who saw the event say they were shaken at the sight of a "tiny little woman" being led from the floor in handcuffs.  This sting, however, didn't come as a surprise to officials.  The FBI was moving on information provided by the companies who complained their products were being knocked-off by importers."

--Jim Shepherd
Outdoor Wire


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/25/2010 at 10:54
interesting turn of events

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: January/25/2010 at 15:58
Wow and who said teh shotshow wasn't exciting?
 
Did anybody get a chance to review the
4200 6-24x50 Illuminated FFP mil-dot, 30mm
and if so what's it's price point?
 


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Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: January/25/2010 at 16:05
I did not get a chance to see the scope but it should be selling for around $800.


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: January/25/2010 at 17:59
Thanks Chris!   Any idea when you'll be getting any?

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Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: January/26/2010 at 07:48
They claim that they will be available within two months.


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: January/26/2010 at 09:23

VIDEOS FROM THE SHOW . . . NSSF has posted more than 20 videos from the 2010 SHOT Show on the show's official YouTube channel: http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102964088209&s=47963&e=0011btNLTPo5YWgYRv0ltMHXyyAWQYcVi56dyD942rXTuTHBuCYqCdElrQBqYvAo0uWrGdxReyQNLcwY7SemYtSE15rv42Ec7zofns7et3DRMMd2-pTFL-5NB6vAePztUAu - youtube.com/nssfshotshow . There you'll find interviews with exhibitors, attendees, celebrities and members of the media, coverage of the annual State of the Industry Dinner, http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102964088209&s=47963&e=0011btNLTPo5YWrNwQLaUj0DnGz1DgyCysmYMiVc1P6JO_G60L45f1N00w5Yhjkj_McPLDxJqM7S77F50JuMu6HWcKiGD8m8ZX4-Qo6BxqulZRuUhMedBz2yZBE_3isO_zNPU2Z_bPxwWcQdyc8kBoqXA== - NSSF's 2009 annual report and a look at SHOT Show University.



Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/26/2010 at 09:23
is there any cf sightings??

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Jettubby
Date Posted: January/26/2010 at 12:39
Was there on Wed and checked out most of the glass. I was impressed with the Vortex PST and the new Bushnell 4200 FFP scopes. Both were clear and very very nice.


Posted By: akula88
Date Posted: January/26/2010 at 16:54
Anybody has first impression on the new/revised 1-4 scope from MEOPTA?


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: January/26/2010 at 17:32
Originally posted by akula88 akula88 wrote:

Anybody has first impression on the new/revised 1-4 scope from MEOPTA?
 
Yes, I saw it.  Nice scope!  What would you like to know?
 
It's similar to the previous 1-4X24 with K-dot, except it's shorter, and the reticle has some chevrons for holdover underneath the dot instead of a bar as on the K-dot.  Glass looked at least as good as the previous model.  A buddy of mine with me said he thought the "eye box" was very eye position critical, but I didn't think it was too bad in that regard.


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/26/2010 at 18:50
First draft:

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=21641&PID=275062#275062 - http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=21641&PID=275062#275062

ILya


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Posted By: Agustinmx
Date Posted: February/02/2010 at 13:24
I want to hear everything about the future swaro 10x riflescopes !!!! somebody told about a 2.5-25X Riflescope, A-W-E-S-O-M-E !!! 


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/02/2010 at 13:40
Originally posted by Agustinmx Agustinmx wrote:

I want to hear everything about the future swaro 10x riflescopes !!!! somebody told about a 2.5-25X Riflescope, A-W-E-S-O-M-E !!! 

I have not heard about 10x erector Swaros, but March has a 2.5-25x42 scope which I hope to be able to review some time this spring.

ILya


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Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: February/04/2010 at 18:12
You can bet your house that every high end mfg has a March and are reverse engineering them as fast as they can.


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: February/04/2010 at 19:54
I wonder how soon we will be seeing 8X - 10X erector scopes as the norm rather than the exception?  I wouldn't at all be surprised to see this happen within the next 5 years.  Expanded zoom is definitely one of the biggest trends in riflescopes today.

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/05/2010 at 02:31
I do not know how soon you will be seeing it, but I hope to see a loaner March scope fairly soon.  Now I just need to figure out what to compare it to.

Perhaps, I can borrow a Z6 from Chris.

ILya


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