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Monarch X 2.5-10x44 vs Mark IV 3.5-10x40

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Topic: Monarch X 2.5-10x44 vs Mark IV 3.5-10x40
Posted By: OptiCurious
Subject: Monarch X 2.5-10x44 vs Mark IV 3.5-10x40
Date Posted: August/12/2009 at 15:29
Does anyone have first hand experience comparing these two scopes, and not just in the store. Repeatability of W&E, clarity, brightness, durability, all the important stuff. Individual revues of the Monarch X alone would also be helpful. I already trust the quality of the Mark IV's but prefer the 2.5x on the low end of the range over 3.5x. The Leupold tactical 2.5-8x36 does not have parallax adjustment or 1/4 min W&E, so as much as I love my standard 2.5-8x36 VX III, the 30mm tactical version doesn't qualify. This is for a 300 Win Mag, hunting at ranges from 50-500 yards. I want maximum light gathering ability and the wider field of view for the close stuff, with tactical turrets for long range.



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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: August/13/2009 at 00:44
What you want is a 3-9x42 Super Sniper with 1/10 mil clicks and FFP  first focal plane. I have two of them and one of the Leupold Mk4 3.5-10x40 FFP  TMR.   I have looked at the Nikons you mention and Nikon does have a nice scope but they did not put a lot of internal adjustment in it.  I just put the 3-9x42 Super Sniper on my sons 300 WM when it came in a couple of days ago.  There is no side focus but I have not found that to be an issue as it has been very nice glass and clearly in focus so this is the direction I went after having one on my .308 and seeing what a pleasure it was to have a mil dot reticle combined with 1/10 mil clicks.  It is so easy to get it zeroed - from the first bullet hole measure the distance to the center in mils using the mil dot reticle then dial in that in mils on the tactical knobs.
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P41044.aspx">SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical Riflescope http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P41044.aspx - SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical Riflescope
Stock # - SS39X42
  • Matte
  • First Focal Plane Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 0.1 MRAD
$599.95 
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Since we are taking about a hunting rifle I will add that there are some very good reasons for selecting these other  scopes that I will list for you to consider:
http://swfa.com/Leupold-6x42-FX-3-Riflescope-P12758.aspx">Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Riflescope http://swfa.com/images/leupold_lrd412.jpg">Long Range Duplex http://swfa.com/Leupold-6x42-FX-3-Riflescope-P12758.aspx - Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Riflescope
Stock # - LEU66820
  • Matte
  • Long Range Duplex
  • 1"
  • Xtended Twilight Lens System
$409.95 
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http://swfa.com/Leupold-45-14x40-VX-3-Riflescope-P12682.aspx">Leupold 4.5-14x40 VX-3 Riflescope http://swfa.com/images/leupold_duplex.jpg">Duplex http://swfa.com/Leupold-45-14x40-VX-3-Riflescope-P12682.aspx - Leupold 4.5-14x40 VX-3 Riflescope
Stock # - LEU59270
  • Matte
  • Duplex
  • 1"
  • Custom Dial System
  • Xtended Twilight Lens System
$639.95 
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http://swfa.com/Trijicon-5-20x50-Accu-Point-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P12881.aspx">Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope http://swfa.com/Trijicon-5-20x50-Accu-Point-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P12881.aspx - Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - TR23
  • Matte
  • Amber Triangle
  • 30mm
$1,019.95 
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http://swfa.com/images/trijicon/binden.swf - http://swfa.com/images/trijicon/binden.swf
http://swfa.com/Sightron-35-10x44-SIII-30mm-Riflescope-P9148.aspx">Sightron 3.5-10x44 SIII 30mm Riflescope http://swfa.com/images/sightron_mildot.jpg">Mil-Dot http://swfa.com/Sightron-35-10x44-SIII-30mm-Riflescope-P9148.aspx - Sightron 3.5-10x44 SIII 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SIIISS3510X44LRMD
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • Target Knobs
  • Free Sun Shade
$719.95 
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Posted By: OptiCurious
Date Posted: August/14/2009 at 01:21
You've missed my point entirely. What I want/need, is not a mil-dot or FFP reticle. I'm using a laser rangefinder for estimating range on unknown size targets. Mildot ranging, even with an FFP reticle requires a target of known size, and Elk, Deer, Antelope, etc. vary widely in size and don't come labeled with that data. My targets will be no more than approximately 500 yards, so I don't need 1000 yd adjustment capability. !/4 min clicks actually are significantly more precise than 1/10 mil. To be precise they are 44% smaller than 1/10 mil (.25" vs .36" @ 100 yds) and my sighting targets have a grid to measure offset. Any come-ups or hold-offs in the field are adjusted by the clicks of the turrets for a dead on hold, instead of approximating an offset to both the vertical and horizontal crosshairs. And yes I'm aware of the Horus "Christmas Tree" obliteration of the sight picture that provides precise offsets, if you can make out the target behind all that stuff. Just give me a simple duplex type crosshair, a wide angle, extemely bright view at the lowest power (2 to 2.5 at most), totally reliable/repeatable turret adjustments and paralax adjustment at the turrets. So, can anyone out there vouch for those requirements in the Monarch X or any other scope I'm not aware of? Thank you.


Posted By: billyburl2
Date Posted: August/14/2009 at 06:41
Sounds like your the pro Dude, good luck!

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