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Topic: What scope for Remington 700 .308?
Posted By: Firearms09
Subject: What scope for Remington 700 .308?
Date Posted: April/30/2009 at 13:09
I just picked up a SPS 700 in .308 and needto find a scope for it. Right now, I shoot a max of 100 yds. I'm hoping to find a 300 yd range closer to my home soon though. I don't hunt so it's just for paper punching as of now. However, I hope to try hunting one day.
 
I'm looking to keep it as far under $300 as I can. I'd liketo end up with something good for at least 500 yds if possible. I am also fine with buying used.
 
What do you recommend?



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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: April/30/2009 at 13:40
  First off WELCOME to OT!!
 
  You could do ALOT worse than this:
      http://www.swfa.com/pc-9244-2119-nikon-3-9x40-team-primos-riflescope.aspx - http://www.swfa.com/pc-9244-2119-nikon-3-9x40-team-primos-riflescope.aspx


Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: April/30/2009 at 13:41
Your best choice at $300 or under is the 3x9 Bushnell Elite 4200. This magnification is very suitable for any hunting range using a 308 and paper punching as well out to 2-300 yards.
 
Since your price point is $300 or less, better to go with lower magnification and get the better glass or optics, rather than increase to a 12x or 16x max and get lower quality. 12x to 16x are perhaps better magnifications for paper punching at 300 or more yards, but too much top end for hunting purposes.
 
For $300 or less, go with the better glass and lower magnification. 


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Posted By: Firearms09
Date Posted: April/30/2009 at 13:47
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  First off WELCOME to OT!!
 
  You could do ALOT worse than this:
      http://www.swfa.com/pc-9244-2119-nikon-3-9x40-team-primos-riflescope.aspx - http://www.swfa.com/pc-9244-2119-nikon-3-9x40-team-primos-riflescope.aspx
Thanks. Any particular reason you recommend that scope?


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: April/30/2009 at 13:50
Both scopes mentioned so far are great all around choices. The 4200 has Rainguard. The Nikon has a BDC. The glass is very close and both are reliable.


Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: April/30/2009 at 13:54
I'll second 300 with the nikon
http://www.swfa.com/pc-9244-2119-nikon-3-9x40-team-primos-riflescope.aspx - http://www.swfa.com/pc-9244-2119-nikon-3-9x40-team-primos-riflescope.aspx


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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: April/30/2009 at 13:56
The Nikon is the most bang for the buck at the moment IMHO.


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Posted By: medic52
Date Posted: April/30/2009 at 14:05
Its a personal preference, but in my humble opinion either one is WELL WORTH THE MONEY. I would have to lean toward the BUSHNELL ELITE myself......

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Posted By: silver
Date Posted: April/30/2009 at 16:21
No hunting, SuperSniper 10x is 320 a couple of bucks out of your price range, but good glass and the knobs would be more range friendly.

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Posted By: martin3175
Date Posted: April/30/2009 at 18:53
The rainguard is the clincher on the 4200 .. Have several and they're a great value


Posted By: Firearms09
Date Posted: April/30/2009 at 23:36

Here are the scopes I have it narrowed down to. I'd like to hear from folks w/experience w/these models as to why one would be better than the others.

Right now, the rifle will just be for paper punshing at 100 yds. I'll be doing 200-300 yds when I find a range closer so I want the scope to be good for that with ease. I'd prefer to not have it maxed out at 300 though. ;) At this time, I do not hunt, but would like to eventually.

Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40
Leupold VX-I 3-9x40
Leupold VX-II 3-9x40
Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40
Bushnell Elite 4200 3-9x40 
Super Sniper 10x42
Nikon Monarch 3-12x42



Posted By: jason miller
Date Posted: April/30/2009 at 23:47
That team primos really is a great buy right now.  By the way, it's a re-badged Monarch, in case you weren't aware.


Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: May/01/2009 at 12:37
Originally posted by Firearms09 Firearms09 wrote:

Here are the scopes I have it narrowed down to. I'd like to hear from folks w/experience w/these models as to why one would be better than the others.

Right now, the rifle will just be for paper punshing at 100 yds. I'll be doing 200-300 yds when I find a range closer so I want the scope to be good for that with ease. I'd prefer to not have it maxed out at 300 though. ;) At this time, I do not hunt, but would like to eventually.

Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40
Leupold VX-I 3-9x40
Leupold VX-II 3-9x40
Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40
Bushnell Elite 4200 3-9x40 
Super Sniper 10x42
Nikon Monarch 3-12x42

...........If you do plan to hunt at a later time, a fixed 10x??? Cross off the Super Sniper. Everything else is do-able!

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Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 10:22
Hands down of all the scopes thats been mentioned go with the super sniper 10x. It is far better quality than the others.....

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pulling a trigger is easy....hitting your mark is intelligence


Posted By: Firearms09
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 14:31
Originally posted by sniper13 sniper13 wrote:

Hands down of all the scopes thats been mentioned go with the super sniper 10x. It is far better quality than the others.....
Can you elaborate?


Posted By: Firearms09
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 16:32
How does the Nikon Buckmasters 4.5-14x40SF compare to the SS 10x42?


Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 16:40
Get Your Popcorn Ready


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Posted By: Voodoo6
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 17:15
For paper punching, I'd go with the 10x SS, but not for "most" hunting situations.    

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Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 20:36
Well...where

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pulling a trigger is easy....hitting your mark is intelligence


Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 20:45
well.... where do I start....First and formost is the price $300-$400 depending on model, I personally use a 10x42m ss. The knobs are big and real nice to use without looking, but not bulky. Second they track very very well and hold their zero better than most scopes of any price range. They also have very very good clearity, witch is something that has beat the leupold MK-4 in a couple reviews I have read and I beleive it I have both, or they are at the least the same, but $700 difference. They are extremely durable and since they are fixed power they make a great tactical scope. For the shooting you are doing this is definately the one I would go with. If I could only have one scope and one scope period, for all these reasons this is the one I would have....

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pulling a trigger is easy....hitting your mark is intelligence


Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 20:48
Oh...almost forgot it has a 30mm tube that allows you to get to 1000y easily with that .308, which is something few companies can brag about.

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pulling a trigger is easy....hitting your mark is intelligence


Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 20:49
If it were me...

punching paper, black rifle, etc. get the 10x SS.

hunting get a variable or a fixed (4x or 6x).

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Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 20:50
Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

If it were me...

punching paper, black rifle, etc. get the SS.

hunting get a variable or a fixed (4x or 6x).


this itrue Mike, but you can hunt easily with a 10 power also, and depending on expieriance its one less thing to worry about....

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pulling a trigger is easy....hitting your mark is intelligence


Posted By: Firearms09
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 21:01
Thank you for all the input. I'm going w/the SS. :) Now I have to decide what rings & 1 piece mount to go with.


Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 21:06
just a suggestion....Burris tactical 30mm (lows), Warne 1 piece tactical base and you will love the fit and it is almost indistructable, hell it looks pretty cool too....

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pulling a trigger is easy....hitting your mark is intelligence


Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 21:13
  I love the Super Sniper and agree it is the best scope for your dollar for punching paper or long-range target or tactical work, but it is NOT a good hunting scope for much of anything East of the Mississippi. Too much magnification. Way too much. You will lose an awful lot of shot opportunities hunting anything in woods or brush, and the reticle is too thin in low light when the big bucks get out of bed...


Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 21:17
Originally posted by Firearms09 Firearms09 wrote:

Thank you for all the input. I'm going w/the SS. :) Now I have to decide what rings & 1 piece mount to go with.


I know what am about to write may sound sacrilegious to some, but here goes.  Lets be honest here, not to many guys on this forum are going to abuse their rigs like Mike McDonald.  Your not going to drag the thing around and throw it off embankments.  Badger Ord. stuff is top of the line but how many of us really need them?  Have you seen what Mike did with the savage rig with what (Burris Extreme) 18 dollar bases and 55 dollar rings!  Most of our guns are range queens. Come on, you should examine what your going to do with this rig and spend accordingly.  Use the extra money you save on the bases and rings for more ammo and trigger time.  I think more trigger time will be dollars better spent for 99.9 percent of us.  IMHO! 


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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 21:21
Originally posted by sniper13 sniper13 wrote:

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

If it were me...

punching paper, black rifle, etc. get the SS.

hunting get a variable or a fixed (4x or 6x).


this itrue Mike, but you can hunt easily with a 10 power also, and depending on expieriance its one less thing to worry about....


You caught me between edits. Big Smile

SS (fixed) 10x would probably work except many of the situations I hunt...I would probably see nothing but fur and not sure what part of the animal I was looking at....but maybe your right...I may need a little more experience behind the wheel...wonder if my wife will agree and let me out more???  Big Grin


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“A hunt based only on trophies taken falls far short of what the ultimate goal should be.” – Fred Bear


Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 21:27
I agree steelbenz...100%..I was just trying to recommend the best bang for the buck and I think I did and it will last forever damn near.

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pulling a trigger is easy....hitting your mark is intelligence


Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 21:29
Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

  I love the Super Sniper and agree it is the best scope for your dollar for punching paper or long-range target or tactical work, but it is NOT a good hunting scope for much of anything East of the Mississippi. Too much magnification. Way too much. You will lose an awful lot of shot opportunities hunting anything in woods or brush, and the reticle is too thin in low light when the big bucks get out of bed...


Thunbs Up

IMHO...hunting West of the river too!! It's great to have the extra magnification and I'm always promoting at least 12x (high end) where I hunt but to have a constant 10x (all the time) would be a challenge for me.

I am looking at the SS 10x for my m1a. I'm on the fence between that and a Zeiss with one of the rapid-Z reticles.


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“A hunt based only on trophies taken falls far short of what the ultimate goal should be.” – Fred Bear


Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 21:30
Originally posted by sniper13 sniper13 wrote:

I agree steelbenz...100%..I was just trying to recommend the best bang for the buck and I think I did and it will last forever damn near.


Thunbs Up   Thunbs Up


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Posted By: big boar
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 21:39
Steelbenz, "more trigger time", probably the best bit of advice ever given, well said. Most of us probably spend more or gear than on ammo, yet it's the ammo that pays dividends.   


Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 21:42

 The O.P. lives in New Jersey. He needs to be able to dial down to no more than 3x or 4X to hunt effectively in that part of the world.

 He should probably just get the Super Sniper, (maybe even a 16X one)  for now, and get a lower-power 2.5X , 3X, 4X fixed or low-powered  variable later when and if he takes up hunting.
 Edited to spell 'down' with an 'n'...  Bucky


Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 21:45
Originally posted by big boar big boar wrote:

Steelbenz, "more trigger time", probably the best bit of advice ever given, well said. Most of us probably spend more or gear than on ammo, yet it's the ammo that pays dividends.   
 Well, to a point, true enough. 
But if you don't have the correct scope, you'll need a lot more ammo, too!
 (Or none at all, if you can never find the deer in the scope before he's gone...)


Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 21:47
If he lives in New Jersey I'd recommend the 10X SS for the 700 paper puncher, and a whole new rig for hunting, something in a 7mm-08 or so.  or a R-15 with a red dot. ( double duty gun) He is in New Jersey for pete's sake!!!  LOL  no offense, just a joke.  Roll on Floor Laughing  

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Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 21:52
Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by big boar big boar wrote:

Steelbenz, "more trigger time", probably the best bit of advice ever given, well said. Most of us probably spend more or gear than on ammo, yet it's the ammo that pays dividends.   
 Well, to a point, true enough. 
But if you don't have the correct scope, you'll need a lot more ammo, too!
 (Or none at all, if you can never find the deer in the scope before he's gone...)
Though you make good points, and trigger time is very important but you shouldnt limit yourself by buying crap either

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Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 21:57

 Who the heck said he should buy crap???!!!

 


Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 22:02
True, but I'll be honest, the odds of me needing to press my 14.5 lb empty 700VS with a 10XSS into hunting service is remote. Can I do it, heck YES.  Would I like too, heck NO!  But this rig is going to be 99 percent range queen by his own admission.  If you have the cash, I'd say buy R.C.'s SN-3 you can do both with that, of course your spending a lot of coin for that privilege.  Personally, I'd buy a whole other gun for hunting, then you have 2 guns, and that's a good thing!  Thunbs Up  

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Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 22:02
Hey....not trying to change the  subject but does anyone know what barrel lenght the factory uses to set their ammo velocities on their boxes...and how much velocity would you lose per inch shorter??????

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Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 22:05
Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

 Who the heck said he should buy crap???!!!

 
Settle down nobody said that...just trying to make a point...LOL

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pulling a trigger is easy....hitting your mark is intelligence


Posted By: Firearms09
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 22:09
Does anyone know what size Butler flip up caps I need for this SS scope?


Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 22:17
A #20 eye and a #30 OBJ


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Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 22:18
Originally posted by Firearms09 Firearms09 wrote:

Does anyone know what size Butler flip up caps I need for this SS scope?
Why yes I do..#30 obj (49.8mm) and #20 eye (45.1)

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Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 22:20
damn steel you type fast ya beat me.....lol

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Posted By: Firearms09
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 22:20
Thanks guys! :D


Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 22:21
Originally posted by sniper13 sniper13 wrote:

Hey....not trying to change the  subject but does anyone know what barrel lenght the factory uses to set their ammo velocities on their boxes...and how much velocity would you lose per inch shorter??????
What do you think of this steelbenz?????

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pulling a trigger is easy....hitting your mark is intelligence


Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 22:29
Depends on manufacturer, Most use a 24" tube I believe, with a .308 you probably will not see a great difference from 18 inch to 26 inch, 200 fps max. it's never been a problem for me. My belief is to shoot at ranges and write down your corrections for your conditions.  Ballistics tables are nice to get you on the paper but time behind the trigger at the distance your shooting gives you the experience to be confident in your gear and abilities.  build a little black book for your rifle.

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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 22:35
I think it differs with manufacturer and caliber used. Example: RUM's are usually based on 26" barrels, 7mm would be 24", etc.







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Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 22:37
Well 24" is what I thought too... but fed.gmm says 2600 on the box and out of my 20" it is 'bout right on and didnt see how that was possible, I would think mine would be slower...

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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 22:48
No, it's right.  The bullet has been pushed as fast and has absorbed as much energy of the gas burning in that time frame as it can possibly get. The burn rate of the powder would determine the minimum barrel length for maximum FPS. 

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Posted By: sniper13
Date Posted: May/02/2009 at 22:57
OK that makes sense...Thanks for clearing that up...would that be the same with other brands or just federal for the most part

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pulling a trigger is easy....hitting your mark is intelligence


Posted By: Firearms09
Date Posted: May/06/2009 at 11:29
The SS 20x42 is on sale for less than the 10x42 right now. Would that be too much magnification or should I jump on it?


Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: May/06/2009 at 12:09
 The 20X should be fine for paper punching, and for fine work, even a little better than the 10X  but it can also give you a little more grief with mirage on certain days when conditions are favorable for that phenomenon to occur.
 Neither one is a good choice for an all-around hunting scope although pretty decent for wide-open plains hunting if size and weight isn't a big factor.  They are pretty specialized scopes of very high overall quality, and unusually low price...
 
If you can't decide between 10X and 20X, get the 16X!


Posted By: jakenbake
Date Posted: May/06/2009 at 12:55
Hello everybody, I am new to the forum but I have enjoyed this forum for a while now. Firearms you can learn a heck of alot by just reading as many post as possible. I have a SS10x42 on my M1A. This weapon is pretty much for the bench. I put alot of time and effort as well as a consideral expence to get this thing to shoot as close to 1" groups as I can. Having said that it would be a pretty hard weapon to hunt with. I hunt in the east. The scope just has too much mag. Besides the weapon is about 14lbs. I love the scope. I reccomend you get it. It is the best deal out there. It compares with most of the high end optics out there. It can also take a pounding. If you are going to someday hunt, then by a hunting rifle someday. Thats all I can tell you. I also have a remington 700Sps .308 ,and I put a Nickon Buckmasters 4X14 with a BDC reticle. That is my hunting rifle. And by the way I love the nickon as well. Another really great deal.You cant go wrong with either scope. I compare shooting to golf. Your not going to use only one club for every shot in every situation. You have a whole bag of clubs to work with.



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