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Topic: 375 H&H Mag for whitetails
Posted By: pass-thru
Subject: 375 H&H Mag for whitetails
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 13:51
Is a 375 H&H Mag too much gun for whitetails?  I know much smaller calibers can do the job easily, just wondering if anybody has used them for whitetails and what the downside is, if any.



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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 13:55
375 H&H Mag for whitetails?  Oh No, I use a wrecking ball to tap in drywall nails all the time.   LOL  Roll on Floor Laughing


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Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 13:56
Have never used my 375 for deer, but if thats what you want to do with it, I see nothing wrong with doing so, after all dead is dead.  I'd also drop down in bullet weight, something in the 240 gr area would flatten it out alittle and provide some expansion.  Just my thoughts.

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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 14:07
I'm sorry I thought this was a joke!!! 

OK, I'm back!!!  I would worry about how much meat is left after I pull the trigger.  Hugh racks are nice, but you can boil'em, microwave'em, BBQ'em or deep fry'em.  Ya just can't EAT'em.  I think I'd lose a lot of meat in the freezer using a 375 H&H on the whitetails around here!!!

Just me. 


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Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 14:11
 Way more than you need, but nothing really wrong with it. If I had a .375, I'd surely shoot a couple whitetails with it. It would be a great confidence builder for going after bigger game later on.
  Heck, I'd shoot rabbits with it and reduced handloads!


Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 14:16
Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

I'm sorry I thought this was a joke!!! 

OK, I'm back!!!  I would worry about how much meat is left after I pull the trigger.  Hugh racks are nice, but you can boil'em, microwave'em, BBQ'em or deep fry'em.  Ya just can't EAT'em.  I think I'd lose a lot of meat in the freezer using a 375 H&H on the whitetails around here!!!

Just me. 
 
 True to a point, but a LOT would depend on the bullet you were using.  A tough .375 bullet at 2700 fps. probably isn't going to wreck as much meat on a deer as a 140 Ballistic Tip out of a 7mm Magnum, on a similar shot. It will just go through a few more birch trees afterward!


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 14:17
 I honestly believe that ,if one is available, you choose the right bullet you can use any cartridge on deer without alot of meat loss.  I'm using my 9.3x62mm this yr with 285gr Privi Partizan factory stuff and 270gr Speer handloads. I won't accept excessive meat damage from a cartridge/bullet.


Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 14:19
It will just go through a few more birch trees afterward!

OK, I will modify my statement!!! But the defense rests!!!   LOL


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Posted By: pass-thru
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 14:26
I'm just sort of bouncing the idea around that I want to buy a Sako.  Already have several rifles suited for deer from 30-30 to 30-06, but nothing larger than that.  I will never hunt in Africa, and there is only a so-so chance that I will ever hunt anything large than a black bear in north America.  But if I'm going to rationalize buying a Sako, I figure I should at least add something to expand the versatility of my arsenal.


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 14:31
Not to compare with but people use 45-70s all the time so what the heck!  my uncle uses a 338 for every thing from deer to grizzlies. the big guns are just heavier so you will want to consider that unless you are stand or blind hunting!

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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 14:38
 First off rationalizing has no place when it comes to a buying firearms! It'll ruin a perfectly good rifle loonie. Get it and use it. In all seriousness though,the wrong larger caliber bullet has a real good chance of acting like a soild with minimal damage pass throughs. Pick your shots carefully. I plan on it until I find the proper bullet for my 9.3(if there is one).


Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 14:41
Oh, IF you what me to give you reason to buy a 375 H&H Mag.  Because everybody needs an Artillery piece in their personal arsenal.  You never know when a cape buffalo gets loose around town!!!   LOL

   

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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 14:52
 YEP! That's why pyro got his.


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 16:35
Since I started using my .458 Lott for deer hunting I have actually had less "bloodshot" meat, the deer goes nowhere but straight down, it is the ideal deer rifle.  .375 H&H seems like it would do well.  I may not ever deer hunt with anything other than the .458 Lott again... unless I get a .375.  Remember, our forefathers hunted everything with .50cal Hawken and such.  It just didn't attain the MV of today's BIG guns.  A .50 hole is still a .50 hole, no matter how fast it is traveling.  They invented "barking squirrels" to be able to use one rifle for all hunting.  

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Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 16:39
Agree with the above.
 
If this was a first and only rifle purchase for whitetails I'd say a big NO WAY.  But if you already have human size rifles that you have used for deer and just want something different, can tolerate the increased recoil and stay accurate, then go for it and have a good time!
 
 


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Posted By: silver
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 17:47
Elmer Keith thought that a .375r double gun was the perfect deer rifle.  YMMV

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 18:27
Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Elmer Keith thought that a .375r double gun was the perfect deer rifle.  YMMV
A new name for me, but now I am in the market for his book "Safari".  


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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 18:33
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Elmer Keith thought that a .375r double gun was the perfect deer rifle.  YMMV
A new name for me, but now I am in the market for his book "Safari".  


Are you kidding me ?  or have you just never read his stuff?


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 18:36
Never heard of the man before...

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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 18:42
Most definitely look for some of his material I believe you will really appreciate the man he is really known for handguns but also a BIG rifle guy he liked large caliber the most.  

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Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 19:02

 "Hell, I was THERE!" is one of the best books I've ever read. (Elmer Kieth)

 He was not a big man, but he was a TOUGH man!



Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 19:06
I'm going to have to build some more bookshelves...

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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 19:09
That is a good thing! Wink

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Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 19:18
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I'm going to have to build some more bookshelves...
 You might want to check with Mark (Cheaptrick) about that. He has one that doubles as a loading bench!


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 19:22
Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I'm going to have to build some more bookshelves...
 You might want to check with Mark (Cheaptrick) about that. He has one that doubles as a loading bench!


was that thing the real deal ?I thought it was a joke!


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 19:22
Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I'm going to have to build some more bookshelves...
 You might want to check with Mark (Cheaptrick) about that. He has one that doubles as a loading bench!
I am still in the building stages on my house.  Will just expand the wall space consumed by shelving.  
Just ordered "Hell, I Was There"
Trying to find "Safari".



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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 19:38
Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I'm going to have to build some more bookshelves...
 You might want to check with Mark (Cheaptrick) about that. He has one that doubles as a loading bench!


was that thing the real deal ?I thought it was a joke!
 HOO BOY!  I'd hate to be you right about now!  You're gonna get it!   Whacker


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 19:42
In all seriousness if it is the real deal and it works for him GREAT he must have an issue with space?  Yep, Thought So

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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 20:47
You will destroy less meat with a .375 H&H using 270-300 grain bullets than you will with a .270/7mag class gun, guaranteed. Those bullets hardly get chance to expand in a deer. Though, they will put them down for sure.
I have shot 400 pound black bear with a 270 grain Cor-Lokt and the bullet wasn't done expanding.
The .375 H&H is fine for deer if you don't mind the recoil.


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 22:24
Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

In all seriousness if it is the real deal and it works for him GREAT he must have an issue with space?  Yep, Thought So
Nah, just lots of bookshelves still to build.  LOTS of space, just LOTS of bookshelves still to build.  


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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 01:28
Originally posted by pass-thru pass-thru wrote:

I'm just sort of bouncing the idea around that I want to buy a Sako.  Already have several rifles suited for deer from 30-30 to 30-06, but nothing larger than that.  I will never hunt in Africa, and there is only a so-so chance that I will ever hunt anything large than a black bear in north America.  But if I'm going to rationalize buying a Sako, I figure I should at least add something to expand the versatility of my arsenal.
.............Since your not going to Africa or hunt anything larger than a black bear, then why not rationalize better in expanding your arsenal and buy a .338 of some kind. A 338 Federal, a 338 RCM, a 338 Marlin Express or even a 338 Win Mag. Sako has one 338 or another.
 
Hey! You can use a 460 Wby to kill a mouse if you want to!!...Laugh
 
But, you don`t need to go to Africa to own a 375. If you ever someday foresee a big bear, bison or a moose hunt, a .375 is about as perfect a caliber for that game as you can have. 


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 09:15
im going to try it out this fall, im currently in the process of trying some 270gr hornady bullets. we will see how they shoot, if they dont work to well i may try the 260gr accubombs or even the 250gr sierra game kings. if a guy wanted to really get crazy with the cheese whiz you could load up a 210gr barnes tsx and let her rip at like 3000 fps. 

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
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Posted By: BillyWayne
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 09:20
The largest caliber I currently own is a 308.  I sold a 30/06 because I got used to 243 and 6.5x55 and the odd-six just hurt.  How bad does the 375 kick? 
Sincerely,
Wuss


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 09:23
well my gun weighs in at 10lbs 6oz so with a full power load with a 270gr bullet at 2700 fps you are looking at 33 ft lbs of recoil. if you were to have a 7lb 30-06 and loaded a 180gr bullet to a published max load of 2872 fps from noslers new manual you would experience about 27ft lbs of recoil.


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: BillyWayne
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 09:59
Ohhh..  Not as bad as I thought but more than I can handle. 

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Posted By: John Barsness
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 10:05
Yeah, the .375 doesn't kick nearly as much as most people who've never shot one think it does. I have used both the .375 (and similar cartridges like the various 9.3mm's) on a lot of deer and deer-sized game both in North America and Africa, and they work very well. The animals go down pretty quickly (though not necessarily faster than when shot with, say, a .30-06), and with most bullets the meat damage is minimal.
 
A lot of people choose a lighter .375 bullet when hunting deer, apparently because they're afraid the heavier bullets won't open up. But the heavy bullets expand quite well. In fact almost all expanding bullets will be opened up completely by the time their length enters the animal--if they're going to open up at all. (Non-expansion normally occurs at too-low velocities, usually at longer ranges, much further than we usually shoot deer.) I have shot many animals with 300-grain Nosler Partitions handloaded to 2550 fps, and they always open up nicely, as do 286-grain 9.3mm Partitions at 2400-2500. The reason many people think such bullets don't expand much is they look at the exit hole (and on deer-sized animals there always IS an exit hole) and not the inside damage.
 
Aside from my own experience, I have a good friend in Pennsylvania who has been hunting whitetails with Sako carbine in .375 for many years. Of course has has taken it to Africa as well, but he really likes how his "little" Sako puts deer down and, when they do go a little ways, always leaves a blood trail--and plenty of eating meat.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 10:18
what gets me about recoil is that all of the "experts" say that anything over 20ftlbs will cause most shooters to develop a flinch, my .264 win mag with a 140gr bullet is right at 20lbs, and thats not too bad, my .300 win makes 28.35 ft lbs with a 180gr and that is more of a faster kick. i think the speed of the recoil is what gets people more than the actual amount of recoil. the .375 will roll instead of kick, where as stuff like the .30-378 wby is a swift mule kick to the shoulder, i think the speed of the recoil is the difference.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: John Barsness
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 10:35
Actually, there is some scientific evidence that SUSTAINED shooting with a shoulder firearm that recoils more than 20 foot-pounds will cause about any human to start flinching. That's reason that a lot of trapshooters eventually start flinching and go to a release trigger, or (sometimes) lighter loads. It's also the reason that a lot of target shooters have gone to lighter cartridges for High Power competition. But usually big game hunters don't shoot all that many rounds. The most I've ever shot out of a .375 in a single day with full-powder loads was about 35 rounds, while working up some loads, and even then I spread those out between shooting some lighter cartridges. And I used shoulder protection--one reason the Lead Sled has become so popular among hunters who regularly shoot cartridges with more kick than the .30-06 (or a .264).


Posted By: BillyWayne
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 10:40
I think a good recoil pad helps.  I shoot a 12 gauge shotgun with some heavy loads but with the thick recoil pad it does seem to "roll" and not snap and bit.  Although a few times I felt like I broke my cheek.  My odd-six had a solid butt and it bit into my shoulder.  I do a lot of bench shooting where the kick is noticeable.  Offhand felt recoil is a lot less. 

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The're taking the hobbits to Isengard!!


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 10:42
i know i was excited when i got my lead sled for christmas from my dad. i had a 300wsm in a browning composite stalker. and it weighed next to nothing, and because of that it kicked pretty good, it would make over 30ftlbs of recoil, but the speed of it made everything seem worse than it probably was. i tried a limbsaver on it and i saw 20% reduction in recoil, but it was still annoying to shoot off of sand bags and a remington tripod style front rest.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: silver
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 12:37
Pyrro,
 
So how does the .375 compare to a your basic 870 slug gun recoil?


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 12:41
dont know, ive never shot a slug out of a 870, come to think of it i havent shot any slug out of any shot guns, i may have once, but im not sure. a buddy of mine had a mossburg marine 500ultimag with slugs and buckshots staggered, but i dont know where i was in the sequence of his shells when i shot it.i ran a recoil calc on a 12ga slug but i dont know how much powder they use, so i used the 385gr slug that remington uses and used there published velocity 1900 fps and used a 7lb shot gun and the guess 30 gr of powder that was 32 ftlbs 40 gr of powder makes it like 35ftlbs, so if im close they are pretty comparable.


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 13:18
13/8 oz Rem Buckhammer loads in an 870 will get your attention.  To me, they feel considerably stouter than 338 loads from my Savage.
 
If you like punishment 13/4 oz, 3.5" Federals in my son's Browning 10 BPS can supply it.   Not much different to the 375 RUM.  Neither are for sustained target practice or plinking.


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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 17:33
Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I'm going to have to build some more bookshelves...
 You might want to check with Mark (Cheaptrick) about that. He has one that doubles as a loading bench!



Laugh Above


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Posted By: Relentless Pursuit
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 19:08
The 375H&H makes alotta sense in Coastal Alaska. It's pedestrian speeds are easy upon venison steaks(save the 235Speer) and 270X's in the belly of a rifle are comforting.
 
I prefer the 338Ultra for that utility role,but there's no flies on the six-bits...............


Posted By: Relentless Pursuit
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 19:11
Pyro asks:....
 
"So how does the .375 compare to a your basic 870 slug gun recoil?"
 
Typical riflestock design/ergo's,trump those of a scattergun and such things go a long way towards making the ride more enjoyable. Most six-bits are pussycats due to fair stock design and their inherent mass.
 
My lightest weight 375H&H Ackley Improved was far from obusive,despite it's scant weight and the McMillan handle garners much of that accomplishment...................


Posted By: John Barsness
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 19:43
I have shot a number of .375's, including an iron-sighted Ruger No. 1 that I used for a whil with an NECG aperture sight. It weighed 8-1/4 pounds and its favorite 300-grain handloads got right at 2600 fps. It was probably the hardest-kicking .375 I have owned, but it was a pussycat compared to one of those #$%&  3-1/2" 12 gauges with anything from a slug to turkey loads.


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 19:47
1 7/8 oz turkey loads in my 870 are more obnoxious than the .375 H&H loads in my M700 Classic. I shoot those loads of #6 shot even less, though.


Posted By: Relentless Pursuit
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 20:26
John,
 
What's up? How's things?
 
Well I hope..................


Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: March/10/2009 at 13:21
Pass-thru, I think it is a .375 would be fine for deer.  Look at all the deer that are killed with slugs that are larger in size.  Most .375 bullets don't blow up.  Like anything location, location, location.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/10/2009 at 13:23
Originally posted by SD Dog SD Dog wrote:

Pass-thru, I think it is a .375 would be fine for deer.  Look at all the deer that are killed with slugs that are larger in size.  Most .375 bullets don't blow up.  Like anything location, location, location.

thats the truth!!Wink maybe one day when my kids are in school i can sneak down to your neck of the woods and we can destroy some prairie magotts with the ole .375??


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: March/11/2009 at 10:46
You will have to tell me when.  I'm sitting here laughing at the thought of p-rats getting smucked by a .375

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If nobody ever said anything unless he knew what he was talking about, a ghastly hush would descend upon the earth. AP Herbert

Stupidity & ignorance have been the foundation for many certainties.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/11/2009 at 10:47
Laser Zap


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: March/11/2009 at 11:15
Let me know too I want to see this.       Get Your Popcorn Ready     Laser Zap     Shocked

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/11/2009 at 11:23
maybe we can do a video or at least take some pictures.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: March/12/2009 at 09:01
I have a .375 H&H Encore barrel --- (who says they are heavier mine is quite portable).  When I had my GAP gun built I discussed the possibility of using .375 but was told that it isn't as good of choice for long range because of the balistic coeffecient of the bullets.  I've been running some fairly fast .50 cal musket Barnes Sabbots on deer and have recovered two fully expanded ones shooting them lengthwise,  but we have heavy deer. I have some Barnes 270 gr .375 that should do nicely on a deer. Probably the most impressive thing about .375 H&H is how they work on balistic Kelvar I shot one of the old vests with it and it took the whole vest completely through the target frame. Devil

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Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: March/12/2009 at 09:11
Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Elmer Keith thought that a .375r double gun was the perfect deer rifle.  YMMV
 
Elmer was ok..  a bit of a blowhard.....not quite as bad Charlie Askins......it was a tie.  


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/12/2009 at 10:32
Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I have a .375 H&H Encore barrel --- (who says they are heavier mine is quite portable).  When I had my GAP gun built I discussed the possibility of using .375 but was told that it isn't as good of choice for long range because of the balistic coeffecient of the bullets.  I've been running some fairly fast .50 cal musket Barnes Sabbots on deer and have recovered two fully expanded ones shooting them lengthwise,  but we have heavy deer. I have some Barnes 270 gr .375 that should do nicely on a deer. Probably the most impressive thing about .375 H&H is how they work on balistic Kelvar I shot one of the old vests with it and it took the whole vest completely through the target frame. Devil

you do realize that with the 260gr nosler accubond the b.c is .473 and with the 300gr version its .485?? i hardly call that poor.


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: gun74
Date Posted: March/23/2009 at 08:23
you would lose a lot of meat, a friend of mine used his 375 ultra mag one year on a very large doe and the whole front half of the deer was blown away.the only part he could use was the hind quarters.


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: March/23/2009 at 08:50
Originally posted by Relentless Pursuit Relentless Pursuit wrote:

John,
 
What's up? How's things?
 
Well I hope..................
 
 
" Go take a long walk off a short pier!! "    


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/23/2009 at 08:56
Originally posted by gun74 gun74 wrote:

you would lose a lot of meat, a friend of mine used his 375 ultra mag one year on a very large doe and the whole front half of the deer was blown away.the only part he could use was the hind quarters.

there is a big difference between the H&H and the ultra, and depending on what bullets he used makes a big difference. if you use a standard big game bullet out of the .375H&H you can shoot a deer any where you want and you will do less damage than anybody would with their .270win. now if your friend had loaded up some 180gr speer hot core's at max load i could see that happening. otherwise with a good sturdy 250gr+ bullet that wont happen.


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/05/2010 at 01:31
Info below came from an article by Rick Jamison in Peterson's Hunting.  Since I have a .375 H&H now, thought it would be good to do some research on it.  You could, of course, substitute. 458 everywhere .375 appears....
 
 
Is it really for North American game?
.375 H&H Magnum
Rick Jamison
 
 
"While it can be argued that you do not need a .375 for North American game, the arguments for not using one do not always hold water either.

Perhaps the most-used argument is that the cartridge is overkill. This is a term I have never fully understood. What is killing something too dead?

The subject of excessive meat damage usually comes up in this discussion as well. As experienced .375 shooters know, the big bullets really do not destroy any more meat than their 7mm or .30 caliber counterparts. In fact, a fast-stepping smaller bullet that expands violently can sometimes produce far more tissue damage than a bullet which expands in a controlled fashion.

Top muzzle velocity for a 300-grain bullet from a .375 H&H might be 2,570 fps, considerably slower than most .30 caliber magnums with their lighter bullets. Plus, most of the big .375 bullets are designed for very large game where controlled expansion and deep penetration are needed. For these reasons a standard .375 bullet does not usually produce a lot of meat damage on smaller game such as deer or pronghorn. At the same time, the bullet has everything needed for an elk, brown bear or moose.

Another argument for not using the .375 on North American game is recoil. There is no doubt that big bullets going fast produce a lot of recoil. The fact is that any cartridge suitable for elk-size game is going to kick. If you intend to hunt Cape buffalo or brown bear, you are going to have to use a gun that kicks. There's no way around it. The question becomes how much recoil can you handle? While the kick of a .375 is substantial, it is not unmanageable for a lot of shooters.

One way to reduce recoil is to use loads with lighter bullets--such as the 210-grain Barnes I mentioned--while using less than a maximum powder charge. Used in a rifle with a well-fitting stock, good recoil pad or muzzle brake, the .375 becomes much less intimidating.

By the way, the Barnes loading manual specifically recommends the 210-grain X-Bullet for pronghorn, deer and sheep. Sounds like North American game to me.

In the end, it all boils down to what you want to use. There are a great many cartridges available. Some are faster, some have bigger bullets, some have bigger cases. We could eliminate most of them and still use the remainder to have successful hunts. But part of the enjoyment is in picking the perfect round, using something different, something with power, something that will get the job done without any question. Something like a .375 H&H."

The entire article is at:
 
http://www.petersenshunting.com/print/2646 - http://www.petersenshunting.com/print/2646



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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: September/05/2010 at 07:34
 ALWAYS did like his line of thinking:
  "In the end, it all boils down to what you want to use. There are a great many cartridges available. Some are faster, some have bigger bullets, some have bigger cases. We could eliminate most of them and still use the remainder to have successful hunts. But part of the enjoyment is in picking the perfect round, using something different, something with power, something that will get the job done without any question. Something like a .375 H&H."


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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: September/05/2010 at 07:57
News flash - if you are worried about meat loss shoot them in the head or neck - the up side is there wont be a blood trail to follow.

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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: September/05/2010 at 08:02
 HEY. NOTHING bad about a GOOD neck roast.  Thunbs Up

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Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: September/12/2010 at 13:02
If you are worried about meat loss...............go to Safeway.            
 
 
 
                                                                Bucky
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: September/13/2010 at 15:19
The ultimate white tail bullet,700 nitro jhp,shot from 50 yds.No gutting ,dragging or baging,just start up a fire & scrape the trees [:}
 
But if you decide to have friends over,use grape shot instead of nitro,they can scrape their own tree!


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Posted By: saitotiktmdog
Date Posted: September/13/2010 at 15:59
Shoot what you want with what you want, as long as its legal.


Posted By: pass-thru
Date Posted: September/16/2010 at 22:18
Wow, this thread is still going?  I ended up getting a 300 win mag last winter....haven't shot anything with yet though....


Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: September/16/2010 at 22:48
I was thinking the same thing, not to much longer to wait though!

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: September/17/2010 at 06:23
Originally posted by pass-thru pass-thru wrote:

Wow, this thread is still going?  I ended up getting a 300 win mag last winter....haven't shot anything with yet though....

i bought a new .300wby in january, im in the same boat as you, have yet to shoot it, but thats going to change soon.


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: September/17/2010 at 06:38
  Been shooting my 9.3 lately.  Got it ready to.  Tell ya what.  That Vortex Versa-Plex C3 reticle is the cats meow.  Sure hope Vortex doesn't drop it.  One new benefit I've found with it is that it definietly steadies you on a small target at a distance (2x @ 100yds for ex.).

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