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Topic: newbie question
Posted By: joshmb1999
Subject: newbie question
Date Posted: January/06/2009 at 21:58

i'm BRAND new to rifle shooting - I just bought my first bolt action rifle and I want to learn about target shooting.  The gun is a Thompson Center Icon in .308 and it has a leupold vxii 3-9x40 scope on it.  I've shot it a few times and have it zeroed in pretty well but i'm not happy with the 9x magnification at 100 yards and especially not 200.  I really want a higher magnification scope just so I can see the target better but I don't know anything about them.  The more I try to read the more I get confused.  I'm now reading about "mirage" issues at higher magnifications and it's all getting to be too much!!  Can you guys help me understand if I really do actually even want to go to a 6-24 or 8-32 power scope?  Can you help me with the basics of higher magnified scopes?  What are the do's and don'ts?  Thanks in advance for the help.

FYI - I don't hunt so this will strictly be a target gun

Thanks in advance.
 
Josh
       



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Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: January/06/2009 at 22:38
Ok, well I am not really a target shooter in the sense of shooting paper targets. I don't shoot for x's or 10 rings, but I do shoot at 100 yards, and 200 yards. I also have shot these ranges with a 3-9x, a 4.5-14x, and a 6-18x. All I can say is once you get past the 10-12x range you really want to have good glass. Any little flaw in the glass will just be magnified when you crank up the scope. When I shoot long ranges I actually use the mirage to read wind. If you have ever looked down a long road on a really hot day, you know how bad mirage can look through a high power scope. On warm days my scopes rarely go past 12x, and many times not past 10x. I think the best way for you to figure out what is right is to go look through scopes. I'm sorry that I can't explain it any better, but I count on good glass with nice resolution to see the target better. All the magnification in the world won't do you any good if you still can't see clearly. What is your budget to get this done? This will play a big part in how much power I would recommend. I'm sure some of our competition shooters will weigh in too.

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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 01:16
What you also need to inform us is the distances you intend to shoot at. Certainly as Trigger stated, quality glass is more important then magnification. Equally important is reliability of the scope to hold point of impact and track correctly. In other words the elevation and windage dials internal mechanisms must be of sound construction. Cheap scopes rarely give you this.
If you can afford it a 20 x or 25 x on the top end is all you will need. The bottom end needs a 4, 6 or 8x. The ideal scope would be a 4-25x50, but such a scope does not excist to my knowledge (or only in the high end market).
I own the Leupold in a 8-25x50. The 8x is just a bit to much when we to short range work (under 75 yds)
Mirage is a factor that one has to contend with. The higher the magnification the more it becomes visible (if it is present). So on a cool day mirage is not present and the higher magnifications can be used.


Posted By: martin3175
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 08:03
So- how do you like the Icon ? 


Posted By: joshmb1999
Date Posted: January/07/2009 at 08:21
thanks for your replies.
 
First of all - I absolutely LOVE the Icon.  Not only is it beautiful but it is well made, and shoots great.
 
I will probably not shoot farther than 500 yards and that will be rare.  The range that I currently shoot at only goes to 300 yards to that will be my more common max distance. 
 
My next question is the term "good glass" is so subjective.  I don't know what that means.  I know that a BSA scope is not going to be "good glass" but what about the Bushness elite 4200 6-24x40?  Is that considered good glass?  Will it perform at the 24x setting?  That is the scope that I am looking at right now.  My budget for this scope is around $500 - $600.  I know this is far less than ideal but it is what it is.
 
 



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