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Topic: Respect
Posted By: Chris Farris
Subject: Respect
Date Posted: September/24/2008 at 18:13
This topic came up today among the moderators, having to do with Rule #1 which was;
 
1.  Keep it clean.  If you have to ask your self whether or not it's clean.........don't post it.  This includes images too, no blood, guts, nudity, etc.
 
I did not make the rule very clear and left it open to interpretation.  I made it more clear today and the current Rule #1 is;
 
1.  Keep it clean.  If you have to ask your self whether or not it's clean.........don't post it.  This includes images too, no blood, guts, nudity, etc.  Only respectful "Hero Shots" of harvested game can be posted.  Pictures of bloody game, game hanging or game in the bed of pick-up truck are not respectable.
 
And here is my reason.  Hunters are a dying breed and we don't need to help contribute to the decline.  There are three camps in regards to hunting.  There are hunters, anti-hunters and undecided.  The largest group by far is the undecided.  Most of the undecided have not had the opportunity to hunt or don't know much about it.  It is because cities are getting larger, families don't stay together and single moms are not taking their kids hunting.  We as hunters have two major responsibilities and both have to do with the title of this thread, RESPECT.  We must respect the game that we are hunting and we must respect the non hunting undecided crowd.  By strapping a gutted deer to the roof of your car and parading it through town you are only forcing the undecided crowd to move to the anti-hunting crowd.  Undecided young kids and females don't find this even remotely appealing.  It is very disrespectful to the animal as well.  My position on this may not be a popular one but I feel very strongly about it.  There is a reason why you don't see blood and guts on hunting T.V. shows and hunting magazines.  Magazines (at least the major responsible ones) do not publish deer in the bed of pick-up trucks because it is disrespectful.
 
Hunts are memorable experiences of being out doors, meeting new people, seeing things you've never seen before and mostly the excitement of hunting.  Photos capture these feelings and can be revisited at any time in life.  When I look at a mount on the wall it does not invoke the same feelings and memories as does the photographs from the hunt.  I cherish my photos more than I do my mounts.  In fact I don't have most of my stuff mounted, I just boil out the skulls and pile them in the attic.  I spend a very long time after a successful hunt cleaning the animal off, properly positioning him in the light, making sure there is a nice background and then I take 10x more pictures than I think I need because there are always one or two that really turn out good.  It is really simple to get the blood off the animal or to cover it up by using bottled water from your pack or by simply throwing dirt on the entrance and on the nose and mouth.
 
So my point is if a hunt is such an important thing why would you not want to capture it respectfully in the field where the animal was harvested?  I understand that many times a picture is an afterthought because so much thought went into making the hunt happen and it shouldn't be that way.  With a little planning ahead and thinking you will be able to capture something very special that will last forever.
 
Keep in mind that our site is visited by much more than just hunters.  We have a greater responsibility as hunters to not be portrayed like the character in the Sony's Open Season animated motion picture.  You can make a difference by simply respecting the game and respecting the very impressionable undecided crowd.
 
We could learn alot from the Europeans and African PH's in the department of respect and tradition.  Here is a little story that depicts some of the tradition in Europe.
 
http://swfa.com/ContestViewCustomer.aspx?entry=227 - http://swfa.com/ContestViewCustomer.aspx?entry=227
 



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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: September/24/2008 at 19:27
Thanks for the reminder, Chris.  This has made me rethink my own actions.  Growing up on a farm and having been a hunter all my life, I take for granted the realities of what must take place to convert an animal to food.  In all honesty, I never snapped pics of most of the game animals I've taken and I regret that I am left with only pleasant memories of those hunts.  Of those that I have, I've always posed the pics more with an eye toward composition rather than whether or not it showed respect for the animal.  Don't get me wrong, I always respected the animal, I just took for granted that everyone I showed the picture to did as well, and that they knew without me having to say so that I did.  But, everyone I associate with are either hunters or view hunting in a positive light already, so I seldom stop to think about how the "antis" view me, because I don't associate with any. 

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Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: September/24/2008 at 19:42
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

This topic came up today among the moderators, having to do with Rule #1 which was;
 
1.  Keep it clean.  If you have to ask your self whether or not it's clean.........don't post it.  This includes images too, no blood, guts, nudity, etc.
 
I did not make the rule very clear and left it open to interpretation.  I made it more clear today and the current Rule #1 is;
 
1.  Keep it clean.  If you have to ask your self whether or not it's clean.........don't post it.  This includes images too, no blood, guts, nudity, etc.  Only respectful "Hero Shots" of harvested game can be posted.  Pictures of bloody game, game hanging or game in the bed of pick-up truck are not respectable.
 
 
This is my bad Chris, I posted a pic of my daughters deer in a truck, hope this discussion didn't come up because of me. I meant no disrespect to your forum or you, and will take the picture off.


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Posted By: Jeff H.
Date Posted: September/24/2008 at 22:53
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

...We must respect the game that we are hunting...


thank you for the post. what you said is very important, in my opinion.




Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: September/25/2008 at 08:57

+1 with what RifleDude said,except I can't rethink my actions. The urge to hunt came on me at an early age with no malice intended and I was influenced by no one. Therefore I will apologize to no one. I just can't comprehend what the modern day version of the hunter is suppose to represent or why he has to represent anything for that matter. For me it was never an agenda to be promoted through image. It's just done as natural as a kid saying I'm going out to play. Hard to explain why you hunt when you never thought why you didn't!  But I guess if people still get the urge to hunt and an image has to be portrayed by the hunter to protect hunting,if it works the great outdoors and the wildlife in it will appreciate it. When/if hunting and fishing are no longer,who will care as much we did to "properly" manage and protect it.

 
til later


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: September/25/2008 at 09:04
Thank you Chris for making the guideline more clear. This is a very good observation on your part. Regardless of our own personal thoughts on the subject, you are correct in that we share a responsibility to the future of our interest and doing all that we can to preserve it for future generations.
Trig, Your humble acceptance is admirable, and I thank you. I hid the thread in order to keep your post count the same, and out of respect for you in this regard I didn't want to just delete it.


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Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: September/25/2008 at 11:13
Cyborg, I took the picture down immediately after reading this thread. Thanks for trying to cover me. The post count really means nothing to me, just a number. Your respect is far more valued.

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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: September/25/2008 at 12:10
Again, I thank you. My respect may not be worth alot though. Regardless you have it.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: September/25/2008 at 12:11
Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

My respect may not be worth alot though.


You got that right.  Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing


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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: September/25/2008 at 12:17
Originally posted by superstool73 superstool73 wrote:

Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

My respect may not be worth alot though.


You got that right.  Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing
Geez, as soon as I reveal some modesty (a very small chink in my armor) My friend superstool here wants to take advantage of it. Wink

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OATH KEEPER #8233 Support us, and join our cause.

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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: September/25/2008 at 18:00
The blades are sharp around here!!!!   About that suit?       LOL

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: September/25/2008 at 18:35
Tagged.....


Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: September/25/2008 at 20:48
The moderators seem to be changing faster than my wife changes her mind. Even the ones with body armor

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/25/2008 at 22:43
Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Originally posted by superstool73 superstool73 wrote:

Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

My respect may not be worth alot though.
You got that right.  Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing
Geez, as soon as I reveal some modesty (a very small chink in my armor) My friend superstool here wants to take advantage of it. Wink

He beat me to it...

My comment here is that all "targets" deserve a certain amount of respect. However, respect for the "game" in this instance is not the pertinent question. The impact to "our" community by usage of a picture by the socialist/communist elitists is what we must guard against. What may be benign to "us" may be presented in a highly offensive manner by s/ce and their cohorts in the "media". We must all, therefore, guard against, with great fervor, any depiction which may be exploited by our ENEMIES. And enemies they are. They have only ill will against us, only malice in store for us. They seek to dominate us and take away most that brings us happiness. The world has become a weary and sad place for me, for joy that was once open must now be concealed, lest the "overseers" despise us and falsely witness against us to the "masses". You must understand that the MAJORITY of people, either through laziness or through ignorance, no longer FREELY support our causes. WE have allowed this to happen by inaction and can only win the day by rising up against the tide that now swells against us. Many great words are spoken, but only by action can we prevail.

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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: September/25/2008 at 23:23
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Originally posted by superstool73 superstool73 wrote:

Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

My respect may not be worth alot though.
You got that right.  Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing
Geez, as soon as I reveal some modesty (a very small chink in my armor) My friend superstool here wants to take advantage of it. Wink

He beat me to it...

My comment here is that all "targets" deserve a certain amount of respect. However, respect for the "game" in this instance is not the pertinent question. The impact to "our" community by usage of a picture by the socialist/communist elitists is what we must guard against. What may be benign to "us" may be presented in a highly offensive manner by s/ce and their cohorts in the "media". We must all, therefore, guard against, with great fervor, any depiction which may be exploited by our ENEMIES. And enemies they are. They have only ill will against us, only malice in store for us. They seek to dominate us and take away most that brings us happiness. The world has become a weary and sad place for me, for joy that was once open must now be concealed, lest the "overseers" despise us and falsely witness against us to the "masses". You must understand that the MAJORITY of people, either through laziness or through ignorance, no longer FREELY support our causes. WE have allowed this to happen by inaction and can only win the day by rising up against the tide that now swells against us. Many great words are spoken, but only by action can we prevail.
Et tu Brutus????? Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing

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An armed public are citizens. A disarmed public are subjects.

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: October/01/2008 at 11:00
I ran across this on the Boone and Crockett website while researching pics of a trophy elk I received in an email.  It's pertinent to this topic and worth reading.
 
http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_phototips.asp?area=bgRecords - http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_phototips.asp?area=bgRecords
 


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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: October/01/2008 at 12:09
Very very nice. About the season, that is an interesting thought.

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With Freedom comes great responsibility, you cannot have one without the other

An armed public are citizens. A disarmed public are subjects.

OATH KEEPER #8233 Support us, and join our cause.

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Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: October/01/2008 at 12:23
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I ran across this on the Boone and Crockett website while researching pics of a trophy elk I received in an email.  It's pertinent to this topic and worth reading.
 
http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_phototips.asp?area=bgRecords - http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_phototips.asp?area=bgRecords
 
 
Thunbs%20Up


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: October/23/2008 at 18:06
Here is a very good example.
 


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Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: October/23/2008 at 20:12
Looks like you shampooed that bucks tail prior to the pixel moment.

Roy


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: October/24/2008 at 07:22
Yes, that is a good example of a nice trophy, and the picture will always serve the memory of that day.

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With Freedom comes great responsibility, you cannot have one without the other

An armed public are citizens. A disarmed public are subjects.

OATH KEEPER #8233 Support us, and join our cause.

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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: October/25/2008 at 10:18
How the heck did he get it to stay in that position?

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take em!


Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: October/25/2008 at 10:28
Looks to me like he propped the head up on the bow.

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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: October/25/2008 at 10:54
Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

Looks to me like he propped the head up on the bow.


Me too.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: October/25/2008 at 16:34
That is a great photo. Almost looks like the deer could get up and go.

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There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: October/27/2008 at 19:33
I saw that ya goof balls!!  How did he get it to STAY there?  When I've tried to do that, they just fall over.

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take em!


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: October/27/2008 at 19:38
It looks like to me he has it wedged between the stabilizer bar on his bow and the limb of the bow.  

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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: October/28/2008 at 07:40
Drill a hole in the "never mind".That is a nice pic.


Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: November/27/2008 at 10:54
I'd be more inclined to accept Chris' observations that demographic changes account for fewer people hunting than some "s/ce" conspiracy. The idiots at PETA aside, most people that don't hunt or never raised livestock just aren't accustomed to RifleDude's well stated "converting and animal to food." While I was practically born fishing my dad never hunted and most of my family didn't. My brother, later in life, started raising grass-fed beef as a sideline. So we just didn't grow up with that experience.

I took up hunting 7 years ago and now can't get enough of it. I mainly hunt for meat so pictures don't mean a lot to me. We take lots of pix of our kids and the places we go hiking and I'm glad we do but I've always been more focused on living the experience than documenting it. My advice to anyone regarding firearms and hunting is that you will attract more support by demonstrating knowledge, competence in the field, and ethical, humane hunting practices than you will by screaming about conspiracies and your sacred rights as granted by the 2nd amendment. Yes, it is a vital reason why we live in a (mostly) free society but you don't impress the undecided anymore than the "antis" impress you with demands for unrestricted abortion or gay marriage.

Take someone shooting and show them how to handle a rifle properly and safely. If they show further interest, invite them to tag along hunting. I have one friend who hiked with me three times two years ago, helped carry out the meat and then decided he was interested in trying hunting for himself. On our hikes I would explain what I know of hunting and why I feel - if you're going to eat meat - that it is far more ethical to take the animal's life yourself. I never waste any kind of meat anymore now that I know firsthand what it means to kill.


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: November/27/2008 at 11:02
The pictures serve as memory joggers for me. I just don't know where the line is for tasteful and not, regarding hunting and fishing pics. A photo of any kind is unacceptable for some.


Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: November/27/2008 at 11:14
The people who knock hunting should try taking a tour in a cattle slaughter house some time. I used to occasionally work on the paging system at a one, talk about an assembly line of blood and gore.



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Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: December/24/2008 at 13:13
I don't care to be within 10 miles of a feedlot, either!!    Shocked

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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: December/24/2008 at 13:16
  Try going into a high production chicken house sometime!
 
til later


Posted By: Duce
Date Posted: December/24/2008 at 14:09
Great post Chris, I remember the reaction of some people when it was common for hunters to drape dead deer over their fenders on their pickup or car. I think it hurt the hunting community`s public preception of hunters.
 
Duce  Excellent


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: December/24/2008 at 17:45
Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

The people who knock hunting should try taking a tour in a cattle slaughter house some time. I used to occasionally work on the paging system at a one, talk about an assembly line of blood and gore.

 
Brother, thats the truth. Be sure to tour the "gut table" when there. Wink
I worked on the kill floor for Swift in Des Moines after I got discharged from the service for about a year.
Talk about barbarism. Eek  
 
We took cattle from "mooing" to a half a beef swinging on a hook. We worked 8 hour shifts and ran close to 300 beef an hour through my station. Thank God Almighty for the USDA........ 


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: December/29/2008 at 11:01
read THE JUNGLE by Upton Sinclair.....................

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Posted By: scooter65
Date Posted: January/05/2009 at 06:57
Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

read THE JUNGLE by Upton Sinclair.....................
 
That is not a book for the squeemish!!!!


Posted By: gr8plmbr
Date Posted: December/17/2009 at 21:53
that is a great pic it is nice to see that some hunters care i hear to many guys going up north to drink and party than to hunt everybody knows or seen them my dad has hunted for 50+ years me just got into it about 5 years but i love it and respect it

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Posted By: philip393
Date Posted: June/07/2011 at 01:04
I have to agree hunting is a great life experience and should be done respectfully.

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