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Hunting Scope -- IOR or Zeiss Conquest??

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Topic: Hunting Scope -- IOR or Zeiss Conquest??
Posted By: rlp10ml
Subject: Hunting Scope -- IOR or Zeiss Conquest??
Date Posted: May/06/2008 at 20:05
I am in the hunt for a new scope.I am considering the IOR Valdada 2.5 - 10 x 42 and the Zeiss Conquest 3.5 - 10 x 44.Seeing that both models can be had for about the same price,what do the experts out there believe is the better scope? I have read that the IOR uses Zeiss glass,but is it the same or better than the Conquest?Any input is appreciated.Thanks to all! ------------- Rich



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Posted By: Countryscape
Date Posted: May/06/2008 at 20:39
Hello, Rich
 
While I'm a really big fan of the IOR 2.5-10x 42, to use it for a hunting scope would depend on the type of hunting your going to be doing. I'm assuming that if the price on the conquest and IOR is about the same, then your talking about the non illuminated IOR model. I was disappointed in not being able to see the reticle without illumination in low light, even with the SFP model where the reticle stayed the same size throughout its power range... one of the huge features the IOR glass has to offer is its bright, clear glass and to not see the reticle in low light kind of defeats the purpose! lol
 
I chose the mp-8 reticle because I've put together a specialized rifle (beanfield, if you will) and do not intend to use it for close range or trying to jump shoot. With the FFP model and the illuminated reticle, the optic really shines in the 6x-10x settings. Even in very low light, there is really no need for the illumination. As the reticle grows between the 6x-10x range, it becomes so easy to get on your target. I'm quite sure most hunters would like this reticle if they shoot around the 6x power  like I do out west .
 
If you do a lot of quick, jump shooting and need a scope to perform at low magnification, I would choose the Zeiss conquest for an all around hunting scope. You really can't go wrong with the conquest for a hunting scope.
 
IOR glass is not the same glass as Zeiss. Different process but is made by Schott, Germany.  Also, conquest glass is probably not of the same quality as some of the upper Zeiss models.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/06/2008 at 20:42
I dare bet he is talking about one of the IOR hunting scopes.   http://www.swfa.com/c-291-ior-valdada-hunting-rifle-scopes.aspx - http://www.swfa.com/c-291-ior-valdada-hunting-rifle-scopes.aspx

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Posted By: Countryscape
Date Posted: May/06/2008 at 21:08
Yes, and I bet you'd be right, supertools!


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: May/06/2008 at 21:14
in know this wont be of much help, but really you wont lose either way you go on this one

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Posted By: rlp10ml
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 03:43
Yes,I am talking about the Hunting Model.


Posted By: rlp10ml
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 03:45
I forgot,Non-Illuminated also.


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 04:02
I've basically owned both scopes (IOR 2.5-10x Tactical) and I would choose the Conquest w/ a #4 reticle for an all purpose hunting scope.
The Conquest will also be a tad lighter than the IOR.
 
http://www.swfa.com/pc-5751-259-zeiss-35-10x44-conquest-rifle-scope.aspx - http://www.swfa.com/pc-5751-259-zeiss-35-10x44-conquest-rifle-scope.aspx
 
I loved the Conquest and loathed the IOR I had. YMMV


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 08:40
I have the 4X IOR hunter and really like it, good glass, built like a tank, very nice little scope.

That said, I have some real issues with IOR - mostly regarding Customer Service aspects (and their willingness to sell a scope they know to be defective and wait for them to break - possibly under fire.)

I also own a few Zeiss, good scope, good service (in my limited experience.)


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Posted By: mercenary1947
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 08:48
 Zeiss lenses are darn hard to beat ..... Wink

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Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 10:39
The IOR with only 30mm and the Zeiss with a 44mm gives the Zeiss a the Zeiss a 47% advantage in lens size. This has to give it a large light gathering advantage over the IOR with the glass being nearly equal.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 10:47
The IOR has a 42mm objective.  The 30mm is the tube size not the objective.  So you wont gain much advantage there.

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 10:52
Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

The IOR with only 30mm and the Zeiss with a 44mm gives the Zeiss a the Zeiss a 47% advantage in lens size. This has to give it a large light gathering advantage over the IOR with the glass being nearly equal.


What did I miss?  Are you talking objective size or tube size? To my limited knowledge, the IOR has a 30mm tube and the Zeiss a 1" - which means almost nothing in terms of light transmission and only lends itself to more adjustment range.  Likewise, the objectives on the IOR and Zeiss are 42 and 44, respectively.

So from where does the 47% number come?

Zeiss does make good lenses, but one key strength of the IOR is the lens quality - I'd say lenses will be very, very close in most respects.

My thoughts: IOR is a better value - but a slight gamble in some respects.  Zeiss is simply a good scope.  And, for the record, I have the 4-14x44 and like it allot.  I have a Kenton BDC on mine and it has dispatched a few hogs in its time - with not a single miss.


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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: Optimus Prime
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 11:07
Get a Leupold and be done with it.......Thunbs%20Up

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 11:11
Originally posted by Optimus Prime Optimus Prime wrote:

Get a Leupold and be done with it.......Thunbs%20Up


Laugh


Oh wait you were being serious. 


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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."


Posted By: Optimus Prime
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 11:18
I never kid about gear I use to earn my living and save my life, son.
My experience has taught me that.  


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He did it HIS way!!!


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 11:54
Oh, my bad.  I forget Leupolds never break. Wink  Yet everyone talks so much about their customer service.  Hmmm, I wonder how they know.

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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 12:35
Originally posted by Optimus Prime Optimus Prime wrote:

I never kid about gear I use to earn my living and save my life, son.
My experience has taught me that.  


Funny, my experiences taught me the exact opposite: never trust Leupold gear.

My advice to anyone and everyone is to avoid Leupold; at half the price, it'd be an OK deal, as is, it is almost robbery.




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Freedom is something you take.
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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 12:36
O wait, do you sell Leupold for a living? If so, your post makes perfect sense.

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 13:20
Optically, IOR is a little better than the Conquest.  Mechanically, both are very good.

A lot of it comes down to personal choice:

IOR is a touch heavier, but has slightly better glass and larger magnification range (with somewhat wider field of view at the low end).  I think it is also a little cheaper for the non-illuminated version.

Conquest is a touch lighter due to 1" tube and touch more expensive than the IOR.  You do get the Zeiss panache, though.

If you really want to get a Conquest, get a 3-9x40.  It is a much better deal.

As for reticles, it is a hunting scope, so I think MP-8 is not the best choice.  Both IOR and Conquest are available with #4 reticle which work well in low light.

ILya


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 16:31
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

If you really want to get a Conquest, get a 3-9x40.  It is a much better deal.
 
Yep, great advise there from The Dark One.
The 3-9x with the #4 is LOTS cheaper than the 3.5-10x model.
http://www.swfa.com/pc-5762-259-zeiss-3-9x40-conquest-rifle-scope.aspx - http://www.swfa.com/pc-5762-259-zeiss-3-9x40-conquest-rifle-scope.aspx


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Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 17:35
Originally posted by Optimus Prime Optimus Prime wrote:

Get a Leupold and be done with it.......Thunbs%20Up
 
OH PLEASE!!!!   Bucky     Get a Weaver.  Went out of business twenty five years ago and still better than 60% of the Leupolds out there...


Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 17:45
Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

The IOR with only 30mm and the Zeiss with a 44mm gives the Zeiss a the Zeiss a 47% advantage in lens size. This has to give it a large light gathering advantage over the IOR with the glass being nearly equal.
My mis-read I'm not used to seeing the tube dia. in such bold print.
I've been painting the house and the fumes are getting to me.


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Folks ain't got a sense of humor no more. They don't laugh they just get sore.

Need to follow the rules. Just hard to determine which set of rules to follow
Now the rules have changed again.


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 17:48
Originally posted by Optimus Prime Optimus Prime wrote:

I never kid about gear I use to earn my living and save my life, son.
My experience has taught me that.  
 
Would that...(YAWN) "experience" your referencing be your hush-hush former military profession Roll%20Eyes or your equally suspense filled gig as a
"man hunter/truck driver" OP?? Poker
 
OP, you give me so much material to work with, that I never know where to start. Howdy
 
 


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Posted By: mercenary1947
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 18:53
 I must have missed all that ... geez I'm just a retired secret agent for the .... nawwww ... NO  BS%20Flag  .... just a battered good ole  boy trying to enjoy life .  Crutch

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 18:55
I thought the original poster was trying to pick between Conquest and IOR.

How did Leupold get in here?

ILya


Posted By: rlp10ml
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 19:03
SORRY,NO OFFENSE BUT NO LEUPY'S FOR ME.So,I am assuming even though both the IOR and the Conquest both have Zeiss Lenses,the IOR has tad bit better glass? If so,is it that noticeable? Sorry for asking all the questions but I have nowhere in the area I live that carries these,so a hands on comparison is out of the question for me.Thanks Again Guy's.   ----------- Rich


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 19:20
The glass is close, you will like either scope - especially given that you will not have the other on hand for a side-by-side.

Leupold got in because someone's been listening to the masses and believing the advertising.


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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 19:21
IOR does not have Zeiss lenses.  IOR has IOR lenses.  The bulk glass for both IOR and Zeiss scopes comes from Schott AG.  The actual glass types are likely different.  All the grinding, polishing, coating, etc. is done at their respective facilities.

As for the difference, it is not large, although I can see it when the scopes are side by side.  Once you get into the realm of fairly expensive scopes, the differences become smaller and smaller.

ILya


Posted By: jonbravado
Date Posted: May/08/2008 at 08:14
the eye relief on the 3-9x40 is excellent and the #4 reticle on the zeiss is great.
 
don't look back, you'll love it.
 
J


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: May/08/2008 at 08:36
Conquest 3-9 would be a great scope at a great price; and the 2.5-10 gives you little more optically for a considerable jump in $$.

In the end, buy the one you "want," else in 6 months you will have sold what you bought and be in the market again for what you wanted all along.


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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: May/08/2008 at 08:38
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:


In the end, buy the one you "want," else in 6 months you will have sold what you bought and be in the market again for what you wanted all along.
 
Very true!  I can't tell you how many times I've done that!


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