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Topic: Best target for Nosler Partitions
Posted By: 8shots
Subject: Best target for Nosler Partitions
Date Posted: April/27/2008 at 11:14
The best target to use for Nosler partitions is the round circle made by the rubbish bin. Take careful aim and toss them inside and quickly shut the lid. Do not stand to far away because you may miss the bin!!!!
After taking a year to try developing a load for my 300 H&H, using 200 gr Nosslers, I have dumped them in disgust in the bin. Take a look at the target I shot yesterday. I used the exact, yes exact as in everything the same, as my previous  last load which showed a decent group. I fired 4 x 5 round groups. They all look equally sick.
I was supposedly doing my final 5 round check for my upcoming hunt. The bullets went all over the show. So I took another 5, and another 5, and another 5.......All with the same disgusting result....
I went home, loaded up some 200gr Sierra Gameking. Same rifle, same powder, same scope setting, same shooter... See the difference.
Noslers are absolute crap. I have tried everything. So yes, whatever you want to suggest, are thinking of suggesting and have not yet thought of suggesting, the answer is yes, I have tried it. Out of my rifle, Nossler part will never ever shoot straight and will never ever even come near me or my rifle again..
 
 
 
 



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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: April/27/2008 at 11:32
The web seems to have a problem for pics will try again to post pics


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: April/27/2008 at 11:33


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: April/27/2008 at 11:42
One down two to go,,,,,,


Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: April/27/2008 at 11:59

8shots, thats a pretty strong statement to make about the Nosler partition bullets.  Obviously your rifle does not like the partitions, and I've heard simular statements from others that the partition can be finicky.  The main thing, is  that you have found a bullet your rifle likes and I truely agree with using 200gr. bullets in the .30 magnums.  I'm sure your well aware of this but,  I believe you're going to catch some grief from the nosler fans, let the battle begin.



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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: April/27/2008 at 12:14
I am still trying to post the results from the 200gr Sierra gameking. Lucytuma, after a year of struggling to get Nosslers to work, I feel I am well qualified to offer my opinions. How they work on game I have no idea, as I never got beyond trying to get them to group so that I could go hunting with them.


Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: April/27/2008 at 12:23
I agree with you 100%, I think its great that you've voiced your opinion and have proof to back it up.  I do not have any experience with any of the partition bullets be it nosler or swift.  I usually chose heavy for caliber bullets from sierra, hornady and remington, just my logic be it wrong or right.

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Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: April/27/2008 at 12:35
Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

I am still trying to post the results from the 200gr Sierra gameking. Lucytuma, after a year of struggling to get Nosslers to work, I feel I am well qualified to offer my opinions. How they work on game I have no idea, as I never got beyond trying to get them to group so that I could go hunting with them.
 
 With all due respect, I feel that you are well qualified to offer your opinion regarding how accurate 200 grain Partitions are in your particular rifle.
 You are not yet qualified to state that "Nosler Partitions are absolute crap", as you did in your  opening post.
 
 You know better than that, 8-shots!


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: April/27/2008 at 14:16
if you have accuracy problems with other bullets of course sierra is the answer, im not sure how they will do on game compared to the partion, i am a pretty confident in sierra bullets for north american game, im not willing to say that about african game though if i were you i would certainly try the nosler accubonds in that rifle.

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Posted By: Longhunter
Date Posted: April/28/2008 at 01:54
I have an 8-foot-plus brown bear mounted in my den that would disagree with you about the accuracy and effectiveness of Nosler partitions (if he could).  
 
The 200 grain bullet just doesn't happen to work in your particular rifle.   (The 180 grain might be worth a try.)


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: April/28/2008 at 05:02
Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

I am still trying to post the results from the 200gr Sierra gameking. Lucytuma, after a year of struggling to get Nosslers to work, I feel I am well qualified to offer my opinions. How they work on game I have no idea, as I never got beyond trying to get them to group so that I could go hunting with them.
 
 With all due respect, I feel that you are well qualified to offer your opinion regarding how accurate 200 grain Partitions are in your particular rifle.
 You are not yet qualified to state that "Nosler Partitions are absolute crap", as you did in your  opening post.
 
 You know better than that, 8-shots!
I still cannot post the pics of 200gr SGK, but will keep trying.
 
Post a target shot with Nosler Partitions, and a target shot with any other brand of "normal" bullets, such as SGK, Hornady, etc. Same bullet weight, same everything, then depending on the result, I will re-track my statement.
As for the bear and many other animals, I have no doubt they perform very well in that department. That was my very reason for wanting to use them in the first place.
The funny thing is there was a guy with a bullet trap at the range. He was checking bullet expansion. I shot a Nossler into the box. We never found the bullet! So either I totally missed the trap (at 50 yds!! although the guy said he clearly saw the box take the hit), or the bullet whistled out of the open top. It did not go straight through, as there were no exit holes. The trap cosists of rubber shavings, wood shavings and then a foot of sand. All his 30-06 rounds were recovered.


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: April/28/2008 at 06:38
Try again:
 
 
 


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: April/28/2008 at 06:50
 
And this is how the same Noslers shot 6 weeks earlier. same batch, same everything. I had my batch loaded for hunting and was happy. Went on Sat with same batch, to do one final check. The rounds went all over the show. I shot the whole batch away. Not one 5 shot group performed. We do not have extreme weather conditions etc, so weather is not a factor. The bullets all came out the same box. I waited 1 min in between each shot etc.
So I am stumped with Noslers.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: April/28/2008 at 06:54
i know this is going to sound silly but, is there anything loose on your rifle???

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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: April/28/2008 at 07:05
HMMMMM!!!!!!! This is very interesting 8. I would think that there would be little if any problem, just goes to show that not every rifle likes what other rifles will shoot very well. Find the golden round for your rifle and work from there. 

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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: April/28/2008 at 07:28
Pyro, the 5 shots with the Nosler (first target) was shot with the scatter effect. I came home, loaded the SGK and shot the next two targets. Same rifle, same scope setting, etc. So if anything was loose, the SGK was shot with the same loose things. I have since checked all mounts and screws, including rifle action screws, nothing is loose.
 
And if I am coming on a bit strong.....I have worked on these Noslers, 1/10 of gr of powder at a time, from 63 gr all the way up, OCL  in 1/1000 of an inch at a time etc So about $250 and many range visits later, the above target happens. Man, was I upset.....
 
(Ronk, this is the closest I am coming right now at withdrawing my earlier statement about Noslers)


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: April/28/2008 at 07:56
         8shots,
          Get in touch with Nosler! Their always interested in feed back from customers and may be able to add something that's being overlooked.
 
                                      http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=25 - http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=25
 
til later


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: April/28/2008 at 08:45
Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

I am still trying to post the results from the 200gr Sierra gameking. Lucytuma, after a year of struggling to get Nosslers to work, I feel I am well qualified to offer my opinions. How they work on game I have no idea, as I never got beyond trying to get them to group so that I could go hunting with them.
8,

Man I'm I hate your gun didn't like them. It happens!!! That’s what all the fun is about trying to get stuff to work. I know you tried everything. After all the PM's you and I had. I know there is nothing you could have done to get that bullet to shoot right. I know for a fact we/you tried everything. I would just stay with what works.

 

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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: April/28/2008 at 09:11
300S&W, I have given Nosler the facts as per your suggestion.
 
BigDaddy, I knew you would be dissapointed to, because you helped me a lot. I just do not understand it, but for my own sanity I am going to let the Noslers go.
I am hunting in a months time, and need to practise some shooting, not develop a load. The SGK has allways worked for me, and brought the trophies home. So I will stick with them. My hunting buddy also uses the 200 gr SGK in a 300H&H. He shot a 3 shot group that he could cover with a dime.


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: April/28/2008 at 09:17
Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

300S&W, I have given Nosler the facts as per your suggestion.
 
BigDaddy, I knew you would be dissapointed to, because you helped me a lot. I just do not understand it, but for my own sanity I am going to let the Noslers go.
I am hunting in a months time, and need to practise some shooting, not develop a load. The SGK has allways worked for me, and brought the trophies home. So I will stick with them. My hunting buddy also uses the 200 gr SGK in a 300H&H. He shot a 3 shot group that he could cover with a dime.
 

I have thought and thought about it and there is nothing that we haven't tried with them to get them to shoot. I'm probably like you and would just toss them and go with what works. I mean after a year and we still can get them to be consistent as they once was with the few groups we had I honestly think you rifle doesn’t like them. The good groups we did have wasn't anything to write home about. So go kill something we gave it the old colleges try.

 

 

 


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Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: April/28/2008 at 18:36
 
 I have no idea what is going on, 8-shots. Did you clean the bore between the bad Partition group and the good Gameking group? Unless you havebedding or scope erector- assembly issues, I would almost suspect copper fouling in the barrel, since you had previously shot good groups with the Partitions.
   As far as retracting your statements, I really have no dog in this fight, other than defending the reputation of a good American company with millions of satisfied customers.
  If you had loaded the same bullets in half a dozen different .30 caliber rifles and gotten similar results, you would certainly have a stronger case against Nosler.
 I really think your situation involves  other factors, such as a treacherous scope, bedding problems or simply a very finicky and temperamental barrel. 
 I'm not real sure the Gamekings won't be doing tjhe same thing six weeks from now...
 I sure hope the Nosler folks get back to you with some answers and I hope it all works out for you!

 



Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: April/28/2008 at 22:24
Some rifles just don't shoot well with some bullets no matter what you try.  It doesn't necessarily mean there's anything technically wrong with the bullet; your rifle just doesn't like that particular bullet.  It's just the way it works out.  It's all about tuning the load to your barrel, and there's more than a little voodoo involved. 
 
I've been able to get o.k. accuracy with Partitions, but I've never been able to achieve what I would consider great groups with that bullet either.  Let your rifle tell you what it likes and shoot with what works.  If the Sierras work for you, use them.  Other big game bullets that also have a good reputation for accuracy include the Nosler Accubond, Swift Scirocco, and Barnes TSX/TTSX to name a few.


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Posted By: VN350X10
Date Posted: April/28/2008 at 22:53
I've only used Nosler Partitions in 1 load, 1 rifle, but they shot fantastic.
Rem 700 BDL in .270, 4-12 Leupold scope (don't remember the model, not my rifle).
5 shots @ 100 yds. making 1 raggedy hole that could be covered by a single .40 cal hole.
This rifle does a consistant 3/4" @ 100 with factory Rem core-locks, so it's a known shooter.
After the 2nd round, the owner thought he was missing the paper !
Some rifles love them, some hate them.
Too bad yours is a "hater".


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Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: April/29/2008 at 20:45
Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

300S&W, I have given Nosler the facts as per your suggestion.
 
BigDaddy, I knew you would be dissapointed to, because you helped me a lot. I just do not understand it, but for my own sanity I am going to let the Noslers go.
I am hunting in a months time, and need to practise some shooting, not develop a load. The SGK has allways worked for me, and brought the trophies home. So I will stick with them. My hunting buddy also uses the 200 gr SGK in a 300H&H. He shot a 3 shot group that he could cover with a dime.
  
 If you have any Noslers left, I would be curious to see how they shot in your buddy's rifle.
 If nothing else, it could rule out a flawed batch or lot# of the bullets...
 


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: April/30/2008 at 08:40

Ronk, he tried them a few years ago and also threw them out. Yesterday he went to the local gunshop to pick up a box of Sierra's for me. This after picking up two days earlier 200 SGK for himself. The dealer said, what you shot the 200 out allready? So my mate told him the sad story of the noslers and that the bullets are for me. The dealer laughed and said that my story is not unique. Lots of guys/guns struggle with those bullets.

So, no doubt they work for some, are unbelievable good bullets etc. But for me, sorry, no go. And my barrel was not cleaned between the different rounds. Same everything.


Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: April/30/2008 at 21:49
 
Well, I certainly can't blame you for going to something else at this point.
 A 200 grain Sierra Gameking in the right place is plenty good for kudu-sized critters anyway. It probably won't penetrate as deeply as the Partition might have, but if you choose your shot halfway cautiously, it won't need to, either.
 I'm pretty sure that you will probably not need more than about 8 shots to kill one!        Howdy 


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: April/30/2008 at 21:51
yeah, after all you have a reputation to live up too!

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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 06:54
I'm pretty sure that you will probably not need more than about 8 shots to kill one!        Howdy
 
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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 06:56
LMAO!!!!!!!!Laugh

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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 09:29
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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 09:35













































 I rest my case.










Posted By: VN350X10
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 10:33
No doubt......that rifle seems to like the Game Kings.
 
What was your range for that group, 100 M ?
 
300 H&H have always been known as an accurate rifle.
 
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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 10:37
VN, yes all my groupings / load test are done at 100m.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 10:44
Nice shooting 8 shots, except you missed the black box. Bandito

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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 10:48
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Nice shooting 8 shots, except you missed the black box. Bandito
 
I was using a Leupold scope, what else could one expect. Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing


Posted By: VN350X10
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 10:48
I don't think he hunts black boxes....(HAHAHA)
 
8shots, is there anything on the continent that's got a kill zone smaller thasn 8" (200 mm) ?
 
uncle albert


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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 10:57
Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Nice shooting 8 shots, except you missed the black box. Bandito
 
I was using a Leupold scope, what else could one expect. Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing
Laugh%20Above

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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 10:58
Man, to get onto the black box is just a "click to the left and a jump to the right ..Yeah,,yeah yeahhhh ) With courtesy from the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
 
I was shooting for groupings. Each load impacts at a different point. So once I have the load, I will zero the rifle and kill that black box.


Posted By: VN350X10
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 10:59
If you start throwing toast......I'm leaving !

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 11:04
Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Nice shooting 8 shots, except you missed the black box. Bandito
 
I was using a Leupold scope, what else could one expect. Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing


Nice .  Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing  It all makes sense now.

On another site I go to when a person puts up a dime or something to show the group size this guy always says good shooting but you missed the dime.  So I just had to make some smart remark.  Big%20Smile


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 17:09
8, I'm very happy to hear that you found a load your rifle likes!  Good luck on your upcoming hunts!

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 18:10
Well here's my .02. The partition bullets were designed for deep penetration of large game and still give decent expansion (something I read somewhere). I don't think accuracy was the prime concern of the design. I don't know how the bullet is made, but it seems to me that with the partition of jacket material between the two lead cores would be difficult to swage consistantly. There is to great of a chance for voids or varying jacket thickness, which could cause the of the bullet to vary from one side to another. This would cause the bullet to be out of balance as it spins in flight (like a tire out of balance) and have a negative effect on accuracy. This is my theory, and it may explain why you had a good group (everything was balanced), and why your other groups have negative preassure.
I think the partitions were intended for large tough skinned animals at ranges less than 200yds. Just my theory.


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Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 19:49
Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Well here's my .02. The partition bullets were designed for deep penetration of large game and still give decent expansion (something I read somewhere). I don't think accuracy was the prime concern of the design. I don't know how the bullet is made, but it seems to me that with the partition of jacket material between the two lead cores would be difficult to swage consistantly. There is to great of a chance for voids or varying jacket thickness, which could cause the of the bullet to vary from one side to another. This would cause the bullet to be out of balance as it spins in flight (like a tire out of balance) and have a negative effect on accuracy. This is my theory, and it may explain why you had a good group (everything was balanced), and why your other groups have negative preassure.
I think the partitions were intended for large tough skinned animals at ranges less than 200yds. Just my theory.
  
 
 Generally true, Beltfed.
 Even Nosler states that the Partition is usually not as accurate in most rifles as the Ballistic Tips, etc, although they don't normally go south as badly as they did in this case, either.


Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: May/02/2008 at 21:27
Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Well here's my .02. The partition bullets were designed for deep penetration of large game and still give decent expansion (something I read somewhere). I don't think accuracy was the prime concern of the design. I don't know how the bullet is made, but it seems to me that with the partition of jacket material between the two lead cores would be difficult to swage consistantly. There is to great of a chance for voids or varying jacket thickness, which could cause the of the bullet to vary from one side to another. This would cause the bullet to be out of balance as it spins in flight (like a tire out of balance) and have a negative effect on accuracy. This is my theory, and it may explain why you had a good group (everything was balanced), and why your other groups have negative preassure.
I think the partitions were intended for large tough skinned animals at ranges less than 200yds. Just my theory.
  
 
 Generally true, Beltfed.
 Even Nosler states that the Partition is usually not as accurate in most rifles as the Ballistic Tips, etc, although they don't normally go south as badly as they did in this case, either.
 
8shots  got either the first or last of a bad lot of bullets. You got a lot of rot in that lot and it don't agree with that riflePukersit not.
Hey 8shots you can sell those Noslers for shootin chargin buffabears or rinogators, jus tellum ta shootum up close so they get the full eefect.BS%20Flag


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Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 17:19
Hey 8 shots.....if you have any of those Noslers left, sent them across the pond to me!  I'll trade you one for one, with some of those absolutely worthless, pieces of dog crap, Barnes XBT's, that fly through the air like a Timberdoodle,  from my rifle barrel.    You probably have some of those birds down in South Africa....They are migratory.
 
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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 20:00
Originally posted by Mojo Mojo wrote:

Hey 8 shots.....if you have any of those Noslers left, sent them across the pond to me!  I'll trade you one for one, with some of those absolutely worthless, pieces of dog crap, Barnes XBT's, that fly through the air like a Timberdoodle,  from my rifle barrel.    You probably have some of those birds down in South Africa....They are migratory.
 
Mojo



That's funny, Mojo. I can vouch for the flight path of a woodcock..................very erratic.



Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 20:21
Don't forget your Federal Duck Stamp before you start shooting at them Tahqua! 
 
Mojo


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Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 20:23
P.S.  Shotguns work better for woodcock than rifles unless you can shoot like pyro.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 20:26
Originally posted by Mojo Mojo wrote:

P.S.  Shotguns work better for woodcock than rifles unless you can shoot like pyro.
touche!! i do not own a scatter gun


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Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/07/2008 at 20:38
So that is why you shoot so good pyro.....you are forced to!  No scattergun.  Keep away from those 12 guage mags if you are recoil shy.
 
Mojo 


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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: May/09/2008 at 08:18
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by Mojo Mojo wrote:

P.S.  Shotguns work better for woodcock than rifles unless you can shoot like pyro.
touche!! i do not own a scatter gun


I thought you had an M77Devil


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: May/09/2008 at 14:42
Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by Mojo Mojo wrote:

P.S.  Shotguns work better for woodcock than rifles unless you can shoot like pyro.
touche!! i do not own a scatter gun


I thought you had an M77Devil
ouch doug! my m77 is an anomally though she shoots very well in the .280rem


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375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
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Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/09/2008 at 16:25

I do not believe that I could come up with what Doug just came up with, on my best day!  Talk about a lightning bolt from the blue! 

 And if pyro would start using those 160 grain Nosler Partitions in his .280, instead of those Jim Carmichael .140's, he might have something good.

 

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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: May/09/2008 at 16:49
I was joking only to an extent. I have a bunch of Rugers, but only have one 77 left.  A standard 30.06 and Ultra Light in .270 were pretty bad no matter what I stoked them with. I only keep my 77 in .22WMR because it gets pretty good accuracy and is a coyote gun for after dark when centerfire is illegal in Michigan. Sorry to deviate from our friend from South Africa's O.P.
Regarding the Partitions, I just picked up a box of 7mm 160's and will report on them later in the summer. I figured I would give them a try knowing of other bad experiences besides 8shots.
If they don't shoot for me maybe Pyro can send them down his .280 M77 with good results. Rifledude and others here have commented on their accuracy issues for some time, also. If they do shoot good, they are a bargain considering the terminal performance they are noted for.

Doug




Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/09/2008 at 17:15
I will not argue accuracy as far as partitions vs ballistic tips, but then again I am using a heavy load of IMR 7828,  to up my velocities.  Groups are within 1 1/2" for me.  I am using the Combined Technology bullets (Winchester and Nosler) "moly free" variety, that is engineered slightly differently than Noslers alone.  Appears to be an improvement on the weight retention end from what I know.  I have no knowledge that they may have improved accuracy.  Ted or Dale would probably have more insiders knowledge than me.
 
At just under 2900 fps, I would have no problems using this for elk, as long as I took broadside shots.  That Partition will do its job.  When I'm after those rather large Canadian Whitetails this fall, that average 250+, I'll be glad to have them.
 
mojo


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: May/09/2008 at 20:20


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: May/09/2008 at 20:21
why do i need to shoot anything other than a sierra 140gr pro hunter again?? 1.5" group?? out of a ruger m77 mkII no less?? wtf???

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God Bless Chris Ledoux
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Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/09/2008 at 21:35
Jack O'Connor used 130 grain bullets on elk, and look and see what you think of that, but 140's out of a .280 are okay?  Not much difference between those two.  I'll take the heavier bullet weights for larger animals.  Just my humble opinion
 
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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: May/09/2008 at 21:42
i shot elk with 150gr out of a 30-06 i wouldnt be affraid to shoot them with the 140 out of the .280 either. 130gr bullet was what the .270 was designed to shoot and if i were a .270 type of person i would fear using it on elk either. my bro in law killed a wyoming bull moose at 150yds with a single 130gr .270 bullet. placement trumps weight in my book, bad shot with a heavier bullet is still a bad shot.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/09/2008 at 21:51
150 grain Nosler Partition out of that .270, just like the 30:06 pyro.  Jack O'Connor, whom I was reading before you were born (your father too) proving that I am an old fart like Ed, preached bullet placement was the key, and made a damn good living out of it. 
 
That is it for me tonight, pyro....the brown trout are looking to jump into my creel early tomorrow morning, and I need my beauty sleep
 
Mojo


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: May/09/2008 at 21:54
actually my dad is only 3yrs younger than you are, so your not that old yet!!! walleye and northern opens here at 00:01 in the morning no thanks!

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God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/09/2008 at 22:00
Just a tad chilly for tomorrow morning according to the weather channel.  Don't blame you.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: May/09/2008 at 22:01
i havent bought a license in 2yrs to busy shooting and working i didnt even play a round of golf last year either. and unlike most minnesotans i dont own a boat.

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God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: May/09/2008 at 23:38
Originally posted by Mojo Mojo wrote:

....the brown trout are looking to jump into my creel early tomorrow morning
 
Be sure and post some pics!


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Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/10/2008 at 17:38
Sorry Ted...nothing worth posting pix.  I caught six but 4 went back in...too small.  Our streams have been too high and dirty for optimum results.   Got a good walk in though.  Saw Canadian Honkers, turkeys, heard rooster pheasants cackle, saw wood duck, saw mallards, saw lots of deer sign, and a treat to see goldfinches and a Baltimore oriole to top the day. 
 
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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: May/10/2008 at 17:41
Originally posted by Mojo Mojo wrote:

Sorry Ted...nothing worth posting pix.  I caught six but 4 went back in...too small.  Our streams have been too high and dirty for optimum results.   Got a good walk in though.  Saw Canadian Honkers, turkeys, heard rooster pheasants cackle, saw wood duck, saw mallards, saw lots of deer sign, and a treat to see goldfinches and a Baltimore oriole to top the day. 
 
mojo
 
It was a very worthwhile outing then!Big%20Grin


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: May/10/2008 at 18:55
there is only a couple of things i can think of thats better than reeling in a german brown, the first is reeling in a rainbow trout, and certainly even better still is reeling in the brook trout what a fighter they are.

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343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: May/10/2008 at 19:49
 I think wild brookies are about the prettiest fish that swims.


Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/11/2008 at 09:53
Especially in their fall spawning colors, and can be found for RONK in his backyard (almost)!
 
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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: May/11/2008 at 10:32

The%20brook%20trout.there you go fellas, i caught a lot of them in wyoming

growing up there had its advantages.


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343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: May/11/2008 at 13:04
 
Now I've got a strong urge to take a few days off and go trout fishing!
 It's really unfortunate that I'm the worst fisherman on the planet...


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: May/11/2008 at 13:12
im so burned out on trout, i couldnt ever eat them they tasted so muddy like the water they swim in i cant stand eating fish never have been able to.i like to catch and release, maybe snap a picture or too, mostly its a nice break from life.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: May/11/2008 at 13:50
Best target for a Partition is..............
 


Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/11/2008 at 21:12
Is that a 14 pointer,  or more?  One hell of a nice Saskatschewan buck.  What was the weight of that brute?
 
Mojo  


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Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: May/11/2008 at 22:16
It is a 14 and on a meat scale it was just over 240. 
 
Roy


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: May/12/2008 at 06:32
That's one helluva nice buck, Roy!  When and where did you kill him?

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Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: May/12/2008 at 13:17
2001 in Mistatim Sask. I didn't really want to post that pic, but I probaly won't be going back with that outfitter. The son runs the operation now and he is somewhat difficult to get along with and he caters to people with lots more $$ if you know what I mean.  Downside is that there are alot of really big bucks in that area and I know for a fact that there are even bigger than the one in the pic I posted. It's cold as a MFer up there to boot. I've hunted in weather down to -26F degree's and that was at the height of the day.
 
Roy
 


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: May/12/2008 at 20:50
-26 is opening morning where i hunt from time to time, you just dress for it, helps that im used to the cold lived in it for almost 30yrs now i wouldnt know what to do without snow on the ground and the mercury around 0 during deer season.

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343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: May/18/2008 at 23:23
Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Well here's my .02. The partition bullets were designed for deep penetration of large game and still give decent expansion (something I read somewhere). I don't think accuracy was the prime concern of the design. I don't know how the bullet is made, but it seems to me that with the partition of jacket material between the two lead cores would be difficult to swage consistantly. There is to great of a chance for voids or varying jacket thickness, which could cause the of the bullet to vary from one side to another. This would cause the bullet to be out of balance as it spins in flight (like a tire out of balance) and have a negative effect on accuracy. This is my theory, and it may explain why you had a good group (everything was balanced), and why your other groups have negative preassure.
I think the partitions were intended for large tough skinned animals at ranges less than 200yds. Just my theory.
  
 

 Generally true, Beltfed.

 Even Nosler states that the Partition is usually not as accurate in most rifles as the Ballistic Tips, etc, although they don't normally go south as badly as they did in this case, either.

 

8shots  got either the first or last of a bad lot of bullets. You got a lot of rot in that lot and it don't agree with that riflePukersit not.

Hey 8shots you can sell those Noslers for shootin chargin buffabears or rinogators, jus tellum ta shootum up close so they get the full eefect.BS%20Flag

Except for my 458 Lott, I have used Nosler Patitions in every rifle I have. Always good grouping, but as you said, not as good as the ballistic tips. Really rough on a deer's pump station, too. Never fired one at anything, other than paper, beyond 120yds, though.


Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/20/2008 at 20:14
Nosler Partitions are made to kill stuff, not punch holes in paper!  Bottom Line!
 
 
 
 
Mojo


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: May/20/2008 at 21:39
Originally posted by Mojo Mojo wrote:

Nosler Partitions are made to kill stuff, not punch holes in paper!  Bottom Line!
 

 

 

 

Mojo
+1 Truer words never written...


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: May/21/2008 at 03:23

Confucious says, in order to kill stuff, you must be able to hit stuff.



Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/21/2008 at 20:51
It is unfortunate that your rifle hates those Noslers so much, 8shots!  At least you have something that works.  My .280 won't shoot those blasted 100% copper boattails just like yours won't shoot the Noslers.  But Noslers are like triple chocolate for it.  Just gobbles them up with 1/2" groups with 150 gr. Federal Premiums.
 
Sounds like you have more than one rifle, so try them on another, and you will probably have better luck.  I know how frustrating it can be to spend all of that time and effort on a load and come up with crap groups.
 
For myself, I have never had a problem with them, and nothing ever ran away where it could not be found.  No, they do not generally shoot as well as ballistic tips, which may be the best low cost bullet for thin skinned game ever made.  No slam intended to the Hornady fans.  Those Interlocks are good too.
 
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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: May/21/2008 at 23:49
           8shots,
            I've come across two posts on two different forums about diameter problems with Nosler Partition bullets. One post was about .243 Partitions that measured less than .243 and the other post was about .277 Partitions that measured more than .277.  Were not talking one caliber size less  and one caliber size more,just not the right diameter for those specific calibers. If you still have those Partitions maybe you should measure the diameter. If there is a size problem I would say yours are less than they should be. Your problem just has me stumped.
 
til later 


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: May/22/2008 at 03:58
I have some left, and will check, for interest sake.


Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/22/2008 at 07:05
Another point that may make a difference, is that I have been using the Combined Technology bullets, in moly free.  The actual construction of the Partition is slightly different 
and although I could see no difference in the construction of the ballistic tip, there may have been a change in the Quality Control aspect for both of them.
 
Mojo


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: May/23/2008 at 16:12
Even though some bullets have a better reputation for accuracy than others (and the Partition is not known for its accuracy as much as its terminal performance), the bottom line is there's no bullet made that is guaranteed to shoot well in any given rifle.  There's no way around the fact that all rifles are different and you have to experiment to see what shoots well in your rifle and go with what works.

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Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: May/23/2008 at 18:17
Not that this is any answer to 8's accuracy problems, but American Rifleman TV did an article in this weeks show on Nosler's manufactoring facility.
Looking at a sectioned bullit, I realized that the partition bullit suffers the same problem as a full metal jacket bullit. The base of the bullit is exposed lead and has inconsistancess which can effect accuracy. This may not be the sole reason for the large groups, but it may be another part of the puzzle.
Nosler designed the partition after shooting a moose at close range 3 times before he brought it down due to lack of penitration.
 


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Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: May/23/2008 at 20:49
Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

Confucious says, in order to kill stuff, you must be able to hit stuff.

 
Well, Confucious must have been a bad marksman. As RifleDude stated Partitions are designed for terminal performance first. That said, I haven't run across a situation where I couldn't get them to shoot good enough for hunting accuracy. If you can get them to shoot into 1.5 moa or less at 100 yrds, you have plenty of accuracy for big game hunting, IMO.
 
Roy


Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: May/23/2008 at 20:50
Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

Confucious says, in order to kill stuff, you must be able to hit stuff.

 
Well, Confucious must have been a bad marksman. As RifleDude stated Partitions are designed for terminal performance first. That said, I haven't run across a situation where I couldn't get them to shoot good enough for hunting accuracy. If you can get them to shoot into 1.5 moa or less at 100 yrds, you have plenty of accuracy for big game hunting, IMO.
 
Roy
Ditto


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Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: May/24/2008 at 06:14
Ditto yet again.
 
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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: May/26/2008 at 03:29
I have meaured the Nosler bullets and come to 0.311 inches.
 


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: May/26/2008 at 03:32
Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

Confucious says, in order to kill stuff, you must be able to hit stuff.

 
Well, Confucious must have been a bad marksman. As RifleDude stated Partitions are designed for terminal performance first. That said, I haven't run across a situation where I couldn't get them to shoot good enough for hunting accuracy. If you can get them to shoot into 1.5 moa or less at 100 yrds, you have plenty of accuracy for big game hunting, IMO.
 
Roy
 
Confucious says, Martial arts better then poor bullet.


Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: May/26/2008 at 08:19
Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

I have meaured the Nosler bullets and come to 0.311 inches.
 
 You have any friends who own a .303 British or a 91/30 Mosin-Nagant?


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: May/26/2008 at 08:27
Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

I have meaured the Nosler bullets and come to 0.311 inches.
 
 You have any friends who own a .303 British or a 91/30 Mosin-Nagant?
 
.303 British yes. Why? These bullets right for them?


Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: May/26/2008 at 08:33
 They vary  a bit, but most bullet manufacturers list either .311" or .312" for the Brits and I believe .310" and .311" for the Russians. My No.4 Mk 2 British slugs out at .314" groove diameter, but it shoots .311" Sierras very well. There is a Canadian outfit that sells specialty bullets in sizes up to .315"  for oversize Brit bores such as mine, but I haven't tried them out yet.
 
Edited to correct a decimal place error and to add info.


Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: May/26/2008 at 09:24
Confucious must have used Berger VLD's...........<g>
 
Roy


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: May/26/2008 at 12:38
    .311 bullets in a .308 barrel?  Anyone else besides me believe this may not be conducive to good accuracy?
 
til later


Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: May/26/2008 at 13:30
Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

I have meaured the Nosler bullets and come to 0.311 inches.
 
 
Probably just being anal, but next time try using bullets designed for a 308 bore. Amazing stuff happens when all is equal.
 
Roy


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: May/26/2008 at 16:14
wtf?? how did you squeeze .311 bullets down a .308 tube??

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343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"



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