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Any of you folks that have actually lived with one for a while have an opinion to offer? Thanks...
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I have several of the Primary Arms 1-4x24 scopes on 6.8s, a 223 and a 22LR.

The 1x is very close to true 1x. The owner of Primary Arms will upfront say it isn't a true 1x but is as close as you're going to get for what they cost. Both the PA owner and the owner of the other red dot competitor are very cordial, honest, professional and upfront about what they sell.

The glass is very nice for this class of scope and is more than acceptable. As a reference point, the Primary Arms in informal testing appears similar to Bushnell Elite 4200 glass. I'm basically using these until someone makes exactly what I want--basically a Swarovski Z6i 1-6x42 (no-typo there, a 42, not a 24) is what I want.

The eye box (how easy and quickly you can get a sight picture) is much more forgiving than a Leupold but less so than Swarvoski, Zeiss or the Bushnell Elite 4200 1.25-4x24. I'm very picky about this sort of thing--I will recommend Leupold to other people when appropriate but cannot use them myself. The PA eye box is more than acceptable.

The scopes feel very well made with the turrets and light switch being very sturdy.

Do not unscrew the focus ring too far. When I got the scope, I figured out how far out it would unscrew and put it in the middle of the range, figuring that was "0" change. At that point, if you push up or down on the focus ring, the reticle shifts. Start with the focus ring screwed in all the way, and only back it out enough to focus and it is fine.

The reticle is a #4 German with a center dot, with the strong outer lines to locate the reticle quickly, and the thin inner lines that don't obscure the target.

The illumination is not bright day light visible but works well--the scopes are so inexpensive that I'm going to try a more powerful battery and see how that works. At it's highest setting in a darkened room, you get some "bloom" from behind the reticle, but not enough to be an issue. From the "off" position, you can turn the switch in either direction, to either minimum or maximum, which is nice.
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The best I can tell this the same scope as Millet DMS-1, but with a different reticle and imported by a different person.

I know a couple of people who played with them, but I do not own one myself.  Hence, this is second-hand information, so to speak.  However, they swear that the scope is identical to the DMS-1 except for the reticle.  Visually, it certainly looks like the same scope, so if you buy one make sure you inspect it.  I have seen a significant number of DMS-1 scope over the last few years and quality can be hit and miss.  QC is key here.

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Have you (or anyone else) tried the Nikon African Monarch 1-4x24 30mm illuminated scope? For a 1x scope that seems like the next step up.

For just above 1x, I do like the Bushnell 4200 1.25-4x24 illuminated #4.

Thanks!
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+1 on that Bushnell. It's good gear for the price. Thunbs Up
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Originally posted by muhgi muhgi wrote:

Have you (or anyone else) tried the Nikon African Monarch 1-4x24 30mm illuminated scope? For a 1x scope that seems like the next step up.

For just above 1x, I do like the Bushnell 4200 1.25-4x24 illuminated #4.

Thanks!

I have looked at the 1.1-4x24 Nikon and it is a nice scope.  However, if you are getting into that price range, you should be looking at Trijicon Accupoint 1-4x24.  This side of the uber expensive stuff (Varipoint et al), this is the best scope of this type available IMHO.

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