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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rancid Coolaid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/01/2009 at 11:53
Whether they send them back or not, Premier is now interested in the situation. 

On the offer to buy yours, no thanks, I know a guy; and, no disrespect intended, but you seem to be something of a lightening rod for scope problems - at least Premiers (and USOs and Falcons.)

I appreciate the offer.


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from the way the a dealer i talked to about them (that i mentioned in the PM) when i was ordering another scope was talking i dont see how premier could not know of the problem.
 
what was the problems they were having with pre-production models? i dont think it was ever realy made public. one also went down at a match or something and i never heard why it went down. either way i doubt the reason one failed was because of the knobs not returning to perfect zero, but i'd still like to know exactly what happened. one failing (that i know of) out of the hundreds of them out there really isnt bad at all.
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Actually, knobs not going back to zero indicates there are issues with the internal adjustments, and that WOULD cause many, many failures.  If it don't work right, it don't work right.  And anyone who cares about precision will not tolerate knobs that go other than where they anticipate - I damn sure wouldn't.

Initially, in very cold weather, the knobs had some issues.  And by "cold weather", I mean in a deep freeze for 8 hours.
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And those issues - as well as a few requests for things like double-turn turrets and another reitcle- are now long since addressed and fixed.

Like Frank said on the Hide, the ones in service are performing quite well.

All that to say this; Nightforce makes a fine scope, I know, I've been trumpeting Nightforce here for a few years now - I wish SWFA sold them - but the Premier is no slouch, and optically superior to any Nightforce I've seen (except one F1 before they were out, that one had great, great glass, I should'a bought that one!)
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it could cause problems, who knows.

i do wish SWFA carried NF too, and ive been saying that for years. i love giving SWFA my business because chris is a great guy, and SWFA in general has good customer service.
 
in my experience every F1 ive peered through including mine is has higher resolution and is brighter than my SFP NXS's. the glass in the premier just doesnt compare to a S&B so we'll leave it completely out but comparing the F1 for both of my PMII's the PMII's appear more colorful but you can tell the NF has better resolution, and 4 other people agreed with me on that.
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Originally posted by redneckbmxer24 redneckbmxer24 wrote:

 the glass in the premier just doesnt compare to a S&B so we'll leave it completely out but



Dude, are you sure you have a Premier Heritage 3-15x50  Tactical rifle scope?  Does yours say, "Made in China" on the bottom?

The glass DOES compete with S&B, it competes well.  I've looked through them side-by-side.   People are buying the premiers because they do beat S&B in optical quality. To say they don't compete means the scopes you've seen were either undocumentedly  bad (Premier) or unusually great (S&B.)

Something here just isn't right.  I'm gonna drop it and let this go, but I do not understand how the hell you are seeing so many problems that NO ONE else is seeing.
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do i have a premier at the moment, no, but there is one in route to me, and 3 close friends have them, and while they do have great glass they aren S&B or hensoldt great. they are about on the level of USO/NXS which is still great glass, S&B and hensoldt are just in a world of their own.
 
so many problems? the only real problem is 3 scopes no returning to zero properly. i wouldnt say thats alot of problems, thats one problem with 3 scopes.
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After spending all freak'in day on this, I've talked to many, many people - military and civilian, and there have been a few issues, things I did not know before.

In the end, mine is still a great scope, and the issues others have seen, I do not.  As I said previously, for a hunting gun, it is a great scope.  I cannot yet recommend for a duty gun.

Get one, if yours has an issue (and odds are it will not) Premier seems very dedicated to getting the issue fixed to your satisfaction.

I owe bmx an apology, and have offered it.  I was unaware of some issues, now I am aware.

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as i said in the PM, no apology needed sir, i knew full well that when i posted what i did it would be questioned. i may have come across a little strong in my posts but it was honest which is what matters.

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hi thanks for all the replys and opinons iam just wondering does schmidt&bender have
like 08 and 09 model or they all the same? in the 5-25x56 just the reticles different?
or what the is there top of the line? the police mark  one? or what?, zenith?
iam not to up to date on the schmidt&bender scopes!  any help or opinon would be nice!
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S&B's realy dont vary year to year. in the PMII 5-25X56 you have the choice on MIL, or MOA knobs, and then a few reticles. IMO you should get MIL knobs as there are only MIL reticles available and it isnt very smart to mix them if you have the option to match them. and in the 5-25 the P4F is awesome.
 
the police marksman are precision shooting type scopes, the zenith and such are more geared towards hunting.
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more and more i read about Premier make me wonder but i just dont want to dish out $3000 on a scope with no track record  is there any more articles about the scope out there? but i want to best!! i just hate to be a test piolt   lol!!Shocked
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s&b have 08, 09 scopes but they don't refer to them that way, the folks who follow the improvements made to them could tell you what years it was done in, or a new model introduced etc. hotspot pilots have to be able to spell. SWFA is one of the few sources and I believe they are around 2500 which puts them very competitive. also if your not an operator why should it matter if it has a track record.?
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I will say that Premier has immediately addressed any problems, so don't worry about getting something you are stuck with and don't like.

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 i can't help that i have fat fingers, i didn't know we were mark on spelling here!
and this operator thing huh!!  just trying to get some advise!  cheers!!Indian
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be glad Ed didn't catch it you would have to look at old pictures for several posts.
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Goodness.  This got interesting.

The only tracking related problems I had heard of until now were the couple of prototypes 6 months ago or so where it turned out a screw on the cam-lock wasn't the right length or something?  Basically the knobs weren't being tightened so naturally they didn't return to zero reliably.  Nothing indicated a worriesome internal problem or anything, nothing actually broke, etc.  It sounds to me like that could be exactly what your friends have, redneck.  Of course I don't know that, but more importantly neither do you and neither do they.  They won't until they send them back.  I'm not sure how useful it is for the rest of us to be spreading this stuff around as if it is some serious problem before you know that it is.  If it turns out to be a $10 part each, will you feel silly for creating such a stir?

Could you give more details on your evaluation of the glass?  Is it a NV specific thing or is that the only time you looked through one?  I, along with hundreds of others by now, have compared the Premier side by side extensively with S&B's; I guess if we're all being fooled by the coatings somehow Premier must be mixing some hallucinogens into them that make us see resolution that isn't really there.  Those sneaky fellows!       Whistling

Finally, why should owners of these scopes care about grease on the inside when it's OK for USO to do the same thing and always has been?
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ya i am think Premier is the way to go!!  but  i still wish i had one close to have a look
threw before i spent that kind of cash, there none up here in Canada yet!
 
 
 
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