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Hello: I'm new to the forum, but not new to shooting. I used to team shoot in Highschool and college and since then mostly short range (less than 300 yds) for fun.   I've decided to try some longer range shooting (again mostly for fun) and would like some advice regarding choosing a higher end hunting/tactical scope. I don't have much experience with long range shooting, so while I believe I can choose a good rifle, I'm looking for guidance on the scope. I have chosen the Savage 10 FCP-K 308 for the rifle and am looking for advice regarding the scope. I've narrowed down my choices to the Premier Heritage Hunter or Light Tactical, preferably with the Gen 2 XR Reticle. Does anyone have any experience/advice/observations regarding either the Premier scopes or the choice of these two scopes. I don't do much hunting anymore, but i don't want to preclude that from consideration.

Thanks for you assistance.
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I have the LT and the Heritage (full size), both in 3-15, and I like them both immensely. Optically, they are superb, mechanically they are quite good (a few early hiccups with the Heritage, all worked out now - as best I can tell.)

The Gen2XR is a great reticle, but be sure to get it illuminated.  At 3X it is quite small and difficult to use, especially in low light.

I don't know much about the hunter, but seem to recall it is the same as the LT but with capped turrets.  As your shooting will be range time, I prefer target turrets, no worries of them spinning while the rifle is slung.


I took my LT to Africa over the summer and was exceedingly pleased.

If you want anything more, let me know.


Another option is Hensoldt, very similar glass, better eye box, not as good turrets.  Kahles is also worth a look, but I don't have one in the 3-12 range.
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I've had both. The LT is just about ideal for a .308. Plenty of elevation, same great glass but 13 oz. lighter and hundreds less.
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I've had both the Lt & the illum.hunter.If you are going to shoot distance,go with the Lt[better turets & more elevation ]The glass is the same in all the Premier line.RC is correct in that the hunter has capped turrets,but you can change the turrets & get the Lt later if you are short on cash.
 
 
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Rancid,
After reviewing most of the posts on the Premier 3 15 50 LT Tactical I have decided that I will get one .
I was wondering after trying the Gen 2 XR would you still recommend it illuminated, or the Gen 2  Illuminated. This is my first rifle set up, Remington 700 Milspec 5R 308 . 
 I will mostly be target shooting 300yds , occasionally 600 to 1000yds  and occasional hunting.   I'm 55 still have good eyes. 
 I am concerned that the Gen2XR even Illuminated might still be difficult to see?
I noticed that you mentioned being able to shoot quickly with the Gen 2XR  and this seems like a attractive feature to me, but what's the point if you cant see the sight in low power or low light.?
I will be buying the scope with out viewing it so your thoughts or any other member thoughts are greatly appreciated.
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I have also some concern regarding the Gen 2 XR. Some of the reviews have noted that the XR is harder to see. Does anyone have any experience with both Mil Dot and XR?
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Guys, I started out with the Heritage model and while I was (and am) impressed with its features and engineering it always felt big and heavy. I sold that and ran an SS 5-20 for a while, which is a fine scope, although I really missed the 3-15 mag range...especially the low end. I found a demo model of the LT, non-illuminated, Gen II reticle and went with that. I've never used illumination on any of my scopes other than to play around with it. But I definitely would not buy the XR reticle without it. Too thin.
 
The non-illum LT is 25 oz. It has the same great glass as its big brother and like I mentioned earlier, enough elevation to run a .308 out past 1000 yards (at sea level). One nitpick: The turrets use two tiny little set screws. Mine (being slightly used) didn't come with an allen key. I found out from Paul Lange at Premier that it's supposed to be 1.3 mm. Well, a .050" is fine too. It's just .001 under. But either way, they seem a little smaller than necessary.
 
Paul is always glad to help with support questions and Premier has not only managed to weather some tough times (and lack of universal fanboi love) but has recently been set on a stronger foundation.
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I took several shots in Africa at 3X on game, it is not unusable in low light, just not usable for accurate drop and windage (for me, at least) on the reticle.  As a "cross hair", it is quite comfortable to use at 3X. If you wish to dope the reticle at 3X, no use.

Also, I hunt hogs allot, hogs like cover of night, illumination is a must for that situation, especially with FFP - as night shots tend to be shorter shots and too much mag is a very bad thing.

If this is bench gun, illum isn't needed.  If you plan to hunt with it, I'd get illumination.

As for other options, mil dot is always a winner, but I am now a big fan of the Christmas tree reticles, very quick shots, accurate and precise.

Mil dot takes no time to get good with, the same isn't true of a more complicated reticle.

An be aware when I say "low light" , I mean stars and crescent moon.
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Originally posted by ken103162 ken103162 wrote:

I don't have much experience with long range shooting, so while I believe I can choose a good rifle, I'm looking for guidance on the scope.  

Sir, if you have narrowed your choice to a Premier, you should have full confidence in your ability to pick out a quality scope. Buy with confidence and enjoy one of the best optics (in my opinion) money can buy.
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Thanks for the reply Rancid, Your comments are most helpful. I pulled the trigger on ordering a Heritage 3 15 50 LT gen 2  illuminated, about a day before your post.
The Information you posted is really helpful. As how do you correctly choose a scope sight that's been unseen?
I had some confusion that the cross hair of the XR would also be difficult to view at low power. So I made my decision on the gen 2 being easier to view at low power. 
After viewing your comments I must admit to having a little buyers remorse as the XR seems to be a more versatile reticle, and I wrongly though the cross hairs would be difficult to see.
Anyway this is my first scope rifle setup, and both, I am sure will perform beyond my abilities.
 I am excited about getting this scope and I hope that it will not be back ordered. 
A year or 2 from now as my skills improve I might be missing the XR reticle.  Life is never perfect, but  all in all I think this is the best scope that I can afford.
I ordered Seekins rings and Badger 20moa base for the Premire Scope, 
 
That Hog hunting sounds interesting I'll be giving that a try sometime ,and the Illuminated dot on the gen 2 might be the trick for a  low light hunt!
 
Does any one have a recommendation on a Range finder or Range finder binocular, I have a budget of about $1000 .  for general hunting target shooting out to 1000 yd max range shooting a Mil spec
5R 308.
Thanks again Rancid, and Jono and all forum members  comments have been most helpful .
best
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As I said, a mil dot is no slouch, you will do well with it.  I learned on a mil dot reticle and still love the thing for what it is.  

I do like the christmas tree reticles for wind and moving targets.

Let us know how it goes.  And congrats on the purchase.  
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I am running the same scope on a 280AI for hunting..
It's got great glass and the lowest settings for the illumination are perfect for true low light hunting use.
Congrats!
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