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3-15x50
 
34mm tube
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First focal plane Second Generation Mil-Dot reticle
 
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I haven't had mine very long, but long enough to tell you guys this is one fantastic scope!





I'm off to slay Bambi with it Saturday.
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What serial number did you get?
 
First scope in history to incorporate the word, "clunk" in the instruction manual.  lol


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Wow, that thing looks like a spotting scope sitting on that rifle.  
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Here's one next to a Leupold Mark 4 for scale.
 
 
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So you going to write us up a comparison to some other big names Chris.  That does look like a nice scope.
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

What serial number did you get?

Lucky #13.  Or maybe that's unlucky for the deer?    Big Grin
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Wow, that thing looks like a spotting scope sitting on that rifle.  

Yeah, it's pretty beefy.  Everything's relative though, it's shorter than the S&B 4-16, NF 3.5-15 and the various 3.2-17 SN3's.  It is slightly longer than the S&B 3-12:



The eyepiece is larger diameter and the biggest difference is the size of the turret housing and the turrets themselves.  Pretty massive--though the elevation turret is lower profile than the S&B MTC which is nice.  About 6 oz heavier than the S&B as well.

Anyway, here's a cut and paste of some first impressions, comparing mainly to the S&B above:

I'm very impressed so far.  The glass is at least as good as the S&B, the biggest difference view-wise is 15X vs. 12X on the top end which makes me happier.  Another difference is the FOV is much bigger at 3X than either the S&B 3-12 or IOR 3-18 giving it a much better low end than either of those.  I will appreciate that when pounding the brush.



I like the design and operation of the parallax and illumination a lot.  The illumination is out of the way, not taking up ring space or blocking your view when you don't need it and can never accidentally turn on.  I like the size and feel of the parallax knob better though it is lacking any markings.  I put some white dots for quick reference as I like to be able to look down and see where it's at when hunting.

The knobs are great:



The clicks are close together, much like the S&B, but feel better to me and the larger knob gives you more leverage--and the indicator actually lining up with the lines makes it easier to see where you're at than the S&B MTC.  Allowing all that travel in a single turn and the tool-less latches makes the close clicks worth it to me.

Resetting the turrets is as easy as falling off a log.  No tools to remember to bring or have handy.  Just pry up the latch with a cartridge, spin it to zero (really easy with the hard MTC click on zero) and push the latch down.  Simply a joy to use.

I whipped up a BDC label for speedy use in the field:



To 1000 yds in hardly 1/4 turn, gotta love that!    ;)    I apologize for the poor pic taken in my dark shop; I took a camera to the range today only to realize it had no memory card.  I'll have better in the future.

On that subject, Premier will custom make BDC's (actual knob, not sticky label) for people.  They can even put the MTC clicks (the "clunks" Chris is referring to) on yardages instead of Mils or where ever you want them.  There was no time for me this year (I was just happy to get the scope in time for the hunt at all) but it's nice to know they're available.
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That is one NICE looking scope... very interested in your report on it.  Have you been able to check out the .1mil click accuracy, yet?
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Yup, reticle, clicks, angle relative to one another all measured via collimator.  Dead nuts on!     Thunbs Up   I've only had it to 300 so far, but even if I get bambie at muzzle poking distance I'll find plenty of distant steel that needs killin' to give it a real test.    
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Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Yup, reticle, clicks, angle relative to one another all measured via collimator.  Dead nuts on!     Thunbs Up   I've only had it to 300 so far, but even if I get bambie at muzzle poking distance I'll find plenty of distant steel that needs killin' to give it a real test.    


Sweet, let us know!!
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Looks REALLY good.  Can you by any chance get to the range today????????
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Unfortunately no; after work it'll be all I can do to get everything packed up and ready to go for tomorrow.  Why, are you in the area?
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Nope, not in the area...
Just my normal "patience" at getting information on neat "stuff".  It was a joke.  
Have a good day at the range and good shooting.  
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Nope, not in the area...
Just my normal "patience" at getting information on neat "stuff".  It was a joke.  
Have a good day at the range and good shooting.  




Dans, in his "ARE WE THERE YET DADDY" mode!!!!
  (inside Joke)   Roll on Floor Laughing      see Ellis Optics thread!!!

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Over to Chris Farris...


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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Sweet, let us know!!

Test results so far:



Shot it out to 900 yds (zero verifying before the hunt) so far, it has been perfect.
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Excellent test...
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(...........ahh...hey, JonA, there's a dead deer laying under your rifle...............)    Thunbs Up

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Thanks guys. 

Tonight I made a first round hit on my gong--completely cold--at 1011 yds in the dark with a full 15 MPH crosswind.  While it is certainly one of the best shots I've made (yes, I did cheer outloud and put the gun away to "quit while I was ahead") what's more impressive for this discussion is how the scope made that possible.

The Glass:  It was 15 minutes past legal shooting light for hunting, with no snow and no moon that means pretty damn dark.  I know some put less importance on glass quality than I do and that's fine, but this is one situation where they simply wouldn't have been able to see the target at all with lesser scopes.  It was all I could do to barely make out a "white blob" just barely well enough to aim at.  Any lower quality view and it would have been a safe gong.

The illumination:  Without illumination the shot obviously would have been impossible as it was way too dark to see the reticle without it.  The shot was made on the lowest setting which is really, really, dim and only lights the center cross of the reticle--basically the same as S&B PMII's which have arguably the best illumination systems around.  Most illuminated tactical scopes, even on the lowest setting would have washed out the target (assuming the glass was good enough to see it at all  in the first place even without the illumination on).

The rest:  Dope of 6.0 Mils up and 2.0 Mils right was added (while I usually hold windage, for this shot I could not see the reticle besides the illuminated center cross) very easily with the turrets.  I put the cross in the center of the faint whitish blob looking thing, squeezed the trigger and listened for the sound....    Excellent 

Anyway, I figured many here would like to hear about that.  It's not often (or ever?) most people would ever need a scope to perform such a difficult task, but man is it fun to see one do it.  I don't believe there are many that could have.


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                                                Excellent   Very Good....That must really be a great scope and , of course, that was superb shooting!!    Bandito       ( damn gringo.....)  
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