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I'm shopping for a scope for my 22-250 for prairie dogs, yotes, and target out to 600 yards. I don't have enough experiance to be a knob turner, I think I would rather spend time learning a BDC type reticle. I have a range finder so no need for the reticle to do that for me. I think I have it narrowed down to a few but would just like some of your personally thoughts on glass quality, reticles and power.  
 
 
 
 
 
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I would suggest Zeiss Conquest Rapid Z reticles.  On most balistic reticles the retilce is only true at one power typiically the highest power. With Zeiss they have a program on their site to tell you what power to us to best match the reticle to what you want.  Problems come when you have to dial down the power due either to low light conditions or to mirage which is why guys dial in correction cause that works at any power. There are some scopes that are first focal plane scopes and with those the reticle can be used for hold over at any power.  Mildots can also be used for  hold over if you run a balistic chart in mils.  No matter how good your rangefinder is there are times they wont pick up small furry critters for those conditions having a mil dot could make sense.  vortex viper PST scopes will be out soon that might be a good pick.
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You might also want to take a look at the Minox Z5 4-20x50.
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For yotes would 6 be too much of a low end for close up or moving?
 
 
closeout special.
 
I used the Ballistic Plex on a fullfield 3-9 on a mini 14 target for PDs, much prefer it for a bdc over the nikon brand.  Just keep in mind that at different mags, reticles will work different.  Mil dot ones usually have a certain power setting where the dots work.
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Thanks for the replies so far. I have never heard of Minox scopes so I will check into it. And I do love Zeiss glass but they are out of my price range, the 6.5-20 VX3 @ $779 is already stretching it.
The Burris FFII is an interesting thought, how does there glass stack up? If it is at least close it might be the way to go at half the price of the other ones
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Do yourself a favor buy the Zeiss Conquest with a Rapid z reticle.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Do yourself a favor buy the Zeiss Conquest with a Rapid z reticle.
LOL you sound really sold on that reticle. But again they are out of my price range. $750 at the absolute max
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dont take this the wrong way but 600 yds aint no chip shot,shooting pdogs. i really think id get familiar with my gun and find out how it shoots rather than relying on a bdc reticle.i have used a bdc reticle on nikons but wasnt pleased with it,id rather have a mil dot scope or adj. turrets target style making adjustments is simple.
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BDCs are good when you put in the time with a ballistic calclator, and you've practiced with it in the field.  The Rapid Z is one of the best.

This one is under $750:

http://www.samplelist.com/Zeiss-45-14x44-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-B-P1556.aspx
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Originally posted by 03mossy 03mossy wrote:

I'm shopping for a scope for my 22-250 for prairie dogs, yotes, and target out to 600 yards. I don't have enough experiance to be a knob turner, I think I would rather spend time learning a BDC type reticle.

Truthfully, if you want to be a target shooter, to be effective you have to learn to and not be afraid to turn the knobs.  And to do that, you need to know your weapon and ammunition characteristics.  The best reticle for target shooting is a cross hair (fine cross hair, fine cross hair dot), duplex (fine normal heavy) or something along those lines.  If you're going to be ranging then a mil-dot system is the way to go IMO.

For varmint shooting, hold over reticles is fine (I have a few myself) but even still, you need to know the characteristics of your equipment.  The Zeiss Conquest RAPID-Z VARMINT reticles is a good selection.  It covers out to 600 yds plus it has the knobs to crank if one desires.  In addition, to the hold-over, it also has WIND hold-off marks.  All-in-all, its pretty darn versatile, far more versatile than the Burris FFII ballistic plex reticle.  If you like mil-dots for hold overs they too can be used for hold off's.  Hold over reticles is great for varmints and such but they aren't the preferred choice for target shooting.

Another choice but more expensive is the Swarovski BPLEX models.  Some have hold-offs and others don't but they have a versatile calculation program that spells out the old over for all scope power levels.  Along the lines of the Zeiss RAPID Z VARMINT is the Leupold Varmint Hunter Reticle.  Not quite as versatile but equally effective.  Like Zeiss, Leupold scopes offer you the option to hold over & hold off as well as, turning knobs.

Optics alone, for any of these activities you need clarity and good resolution.  Light transmission is probably not as important unless these activities are done in low-light (coyote ???). 

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I'm with Wes on the Rapid-Z reticles. Mine is identical to the one on the samplelist with the exception of being black. That is a great reticle. While the Z-800 may not line up perfect out to 800 yards, it works pretty well on 12-13x depending on load out to 600 yards. If I was in your situation, this is what I'd buy.
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Originally posted by 03mossy 03mossy wrote:

Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Do yourself a favor buy the Zeiss Conquest with a Rapid z reticle.
LOL you sound really sold on that reticle. But again they are out of my price range. $750 at the absolute max
SPL12842 Zeiss 6.5-20x50 Conquest Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view 5214509975, Matte, Rapid Z Varmint, 1"
$799.95
OOPS I guess I'm $49.95 over that  guess you shouldnt consider it even though it is designed to do exactly what you are wanting to do.
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BINGO!! Wow. I should buy that for my .243........... Unfortunately, all my guns can't wear Zeiss glass.
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Lucky you to have any I dont have a Zeiss yet but I want one, trouble is I want too many other scopes too and just barely have had a chance to get to the range and sight in my new Trijicon Accupoint 5-20x50 with green mil dot.  If I had a 22-250 I would definately want that Zeiss the reticle was made for that caliber. One of my boys decided he needed my .243 worse than I did so my lightest caliber bolt gun is a .308 --- must be time to go look at guns. Devil
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You just got that .243!! You better go buy 2 more, so at least you could keep 1 of them.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Lucky you to have any I dont have a Zeiss yet but I want one, trouble is I want too many other scopes too and just barely have had a chance to get to the range and sight in my new Trijicon Accupoint 5-20x50 with green mil dot.  If I had a 22-250 I would definately want that Zeiss the reticle was made for that caliber. One of my boys decided he needed my .243 worse than I did so my lightest caliber bolt gun is a .308 --- must be time to go look at guns. Devil
 
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Went to Cabelas yesterday, took a number, stood in line for a half hour, just to look through as many scopes as I could. they were
VX3 6.5-20x40 long range with the Varmint hunters reticle
VX3 4-14x40 also with the VHR
VX2 6-18x40 LRD
Bushnell 4200 (forgot the power)
nikon bushmaster 6-18x40
nikon monarch 4-16x42 bdc and duplex
Ziess 4.5-14x?
 
I had never looked through a Monarch before but to my eyes they seemed great! the picture was just bright and bold and the reticle was right there.  beter than all the others. I was actually disapointed in the VX3's with the VHR, I could not get them to focus enough to where the reticle wouldn't fade away. this was very disapointing as the older VXIII on my deer rifle is great. The zeiss was as good as the monarch to my eyes but i can't tell the $500 difference. The 4200 was fine just didn't blow me away.
 
now if I could only get my hands on a Viper to look through. I have heard they look and have alot of the same characteristics of the Monarchs, any truth to this? 
 
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were you inside the store when you were looking through them??
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Yes, I know that makes a difference, but it's the only option I had
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other than the buckmaster, all of the scopes you mentioned are fairly comparable.
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I'd suggest looking at a mil dot reticle.  I like and use the Weaver tactical line.  For dogs and gophers something in the 10-15 power is nice for the longer shots.  Typically you will be proned out or on a bench, during daylight.  For the dogs you might be lower light and sitting.
 
I have the Nikon BDC reticle and while its ok, I don't like the circles as aiming points.
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I think i am leaning towards the Viper 6.5-20x44 right now with the mil dot. I think for the price it is at least worth a try over a higher end scope for now.
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Since this scope will be used mainly for PD's and the range and less for yotes I went ahead and ordered a Leupold VX3 6.5-20x40LR with the VHR... Man I hope its worth it!
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I have had 5 scopes on my cooper M. 21 223. I keep coming back to the 4.5x14 conquest with the z800 ret. I shoot pdogs. 6.5x20 didn't do it for me tried 2 of those.
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