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Rothstein1987
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Posted: March/22/2011 at 20:34 |
Does anyone use Powder dippers for their reloading and if so what kind of accuracy are you accomplishing? I tried to use them but I wasnt getting very good results +/- .3 gr was typical are they more accurate with the ball powder? I typically use IMR stick powder generally something in the nature of 4064 4350 or 4895 depending on what im loading.. And recommendations on powder throwers are welcome I only have a cheap lee and im not very enthused with it
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ckk1106
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I've got a Lee as well. plus or minus 0.3 grains is all I'm getting...if not a little worse than that with extruded powder. Much more accurate, though, with ball powder.
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powderburn
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Hello I have been the whole gamut on powder measures and have gravitated back to the lee powder dippers and a scale. While the dippers are sensitive to technique I find them at least as accurate as my old pacific measure. When I say sensitive to technique I mean if you dip by pushing the bottom of the dipper down into the powder and let the powder flow in over the sides then the charge tends to be lighter than if you scoop. Either method is about as consistent as the other but pick one and stick with it I tend to scoop and tap twice to level and get pretty consistent results though often a bit lighter than the charge indicated by the charge table that came with the scoops. If I am loading close to max charges I tend to scoop and weigh each charge anyway. Sure it's a bit slower but I figure if I've come this far best not to mess it up with a bolt stuck in my forehead. Yes the scoops are closer with ball powders which I use a lot but I have done ok with extruded too. In my experience all of the problems you will see with the lee scoops you will do no better with a rotary measure.
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saitotiktmdog
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+- .3 is what factory ammo is loaded to, at least thats what my american rifleman magazine stated. It stated that most reloaders go for +-.1. I use the powder measure to reload my .30-06 and get great results. Just the other day i was shooting and had three bullets touching at 200 yards. |
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The dipper method has been being discussed,mainly in reloading how to articles,for as long as I can remember. General consensus seems to be that when used in loading the larger cases they are good once you get a technique that gives you a consistant amount. + or - .5 grain in a large case isn't that bad. That being said,like pb,I scoop and measure each charge. Even after all these yrs I'm just not comfortable not knowing for sure about my dipper amount. Plus I just don't mind dipping and weighing and in fact end up trickling very little to get my desired charge.
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SVT_Tactical
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I say save up, get an electronic dispenser/scale combo, and see what its all about
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Rothstein1987
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I enjoy reloading its my quiet time and I dont need a electronic dispenser/scale to take some of that away.. I have looked into them for doing loads for pd hunting to do mass quantities but from what everyone says time wise im probably quicker doing it by hand anyways... I was just curious as to what other people were getting for accuracy with the dippers... And general concensus seems to be what I figured get you close finish with the trickler..Thanks guys much appreciated
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I think dippers are a kaboom waiting to happen. I've had larger devation with pistol powders. .3 grains in a pistol is a kaboom. The chart and the dipper would never match my refferance weights. Listen to SVT
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Rothstein1987
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I dont use a dipper and only the dipper I use aa dipper scale and trickler basically just for projects under 50rds saves me a bit of a hassle setting up the powder thrower etc since not all of us are into spending obscene amounts of money on something thats no more accurate than what you can get for a reasonable price (electronic scale/dispenser vs dippers or thrower and scale) Just cant justify the excess cash going out for the end product... Know what I mean?
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trigger29
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I'm with SVT. I'll not be without my chargemaster. If someone told me I couldn't use it, I'd quit handloading....... I'm that spoiled.
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saitotiktmdog
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There is not doubt its not as accurate but it still gives good results at the range for me. I think a good test would be to load say five rounds with each charg measured out specifically and chronograph each one. Then load five rounds with the dipper that theoretically should yield the same charge weight for a given powder as the measured charges. Chrono each one and note the velocity differences between each dipped charge vs variation if any of the loadings where each charge was measured. This would be a good way to determine just how much variation the dipper gives in terms of velocity. Edited by saitotiktmdog - March/24/2011 at 08:12 |
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pyro6999
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if i only had a grand to spend on the electronic reloading stuff.... at least ive got a digital scale. |
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Yea,I LUV my digital scale.
I've read quite a few articles over the yrs that have dealt with dipper consistancy. If I remember correctly the consenus was that in larger cases velocity variation was no worse than what you would get with in some scale measured loads. Don't remember any articles comparing the two methods though. Would be interesting.
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brodeur272
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I use the dippers, but only to get close. Once the powder is in the scale with the large dipper, I finish it off with a small dipper, dropping the powder in one or two kernels at a time til I get the desired weight. It's not as slow as it sounds and I get great results. Others may have different experiences with it...
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That works GREAT for me to.
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pyro6999
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i use a trickler
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Sent mine to Andrew.
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Rothstein1987
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Yes I think the concensus would be they are ok to get close and use a trickler to get it dead on here... Or just go buy one that does everything for you haha.. Thanks guys
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I used Lee's little pound-a-peg reloading kits with dippers for years, before upgrading to some really nice reloading equipment.
The dippers worked fine for both .38 special and .30-06. The resulting reloads were very accurate. Some powders are less picky than others about point-of-impact changes. Also, some powders have a larger range of acceptable charge weights for a given caliber than others.
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Rothstein1987
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I tried a different method with them today and found the results to be +/- .1 grain... With ball powder I scooped through and used a card to scrape excess off level.. couldnt believe it was getting that close.. Still will scale and trickle everyone but until I get a nicer powder thrower im set on this...
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