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Hello Gentlemen

 

I am new to optics talk and would like to share some of my optics expirence with you and learn from you also on optics I have not tried. My range report today is on the faboulas russian POSP M6D PRO with the rissian Mil Dot reticle mounted on a NDM 86.

Resolution comparible to a leupold pre index matched VX III.

Mount is very secure and did not get loose

after 40 rounds of Black hills .308 175gr hpbt.

Mil dot reticle is true not like sightrons or Burris

which I have found inconsistant.

1/2 MOA adjustments are true and easy to operate.

30MM magnification is 8X and objective 42MM

Red lighted reticle is bright.

Construction is very robust and Russian Military finish is Hammer grey.

Cost is around $180 for this scope. Conclusion: A true tactical scope in my opinion.

Best group .65 MOA

 

I would like to know if any of you have any expierience with a SVDS and with what optic.

Thank you

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by SVD666 SVD666 wrote:

the rissian Mil Dot reticle

 

Do you have a pic of the "rissian Mil Dot reticle", Brother?? 

 

Great review!! Thanks!! 

 

Welcome to The OT!!!

 

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LOL

 

I was just kidding with ya.

I thought you mispelled Russian and spelled rissian instead.

 

So.....It's called rissian??

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Nice write up!!!!!
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Hello

 

It is Russian, my spelling is going down the drain after my recent purchase of a crate of Bourboun that was on sale.

I also meant to say it was a 30MM tube. I will post a picture of the scope and rifle tonight.

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I've used that scope on my .308 NDM-86 and my son still does, good scope for the NDM-86. I'm now using the 1P21 3-9x42 for my fun shooting, fast & accurate ranging/BDC out to 900m so far (I've learned to compensate for the BDC's 7.62x54 trajectory & the 168gr match I shoot). I've included a couple of shots of their different reticles looking at the 750m gong at my local range.

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Very nice Tomac.
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This was my very first post here at the OT. I would like to give a update on this fine scope.

So far there has been about 300 rounds of Black Hills .308 175gr bthp shot with this scope

without any problems and exellent reapeatability. This scope is by far my best recommendation

for russian small arms for under $200. It will fit the AK,RPK,Vipr,Tigr,SVD,SVDS,SKS,Saiga

some Tokarevs and Nagants and larger machine guns fitted with a small arms side rail. Alot

of rifles can be fitted with a russian side rail and will make cool inexpensive little custom shooters.

Oh by the way stay away from Kalika optics get one from russia, if anyone wants one just PM me

and I will hook you up with a exellent seller.

 

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I do not know about getting one straight from Russia (I would not give my credit card number to a Russian company), but I found that dealing with Tantal is the way to go for Russian optics.

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Yes Tantal is very good, another safe way is through ebay from a seller named kabacan.
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Originally posted by SVD666 SVD666 wrote:

Yes Tantal is very good, another safe way is through ebay from a seller named kabacan.

 

+1. That's where I've purchased all 3 of mine. The latest version has nice indicator plates for the turrets to more easily find/mark the click indicator.

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Any way to get these scopes with standard picatinny or weaver rings?  Might be an interesting scope atop a tactical bolt rifle???
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Originally posted by ceylonc ceylonc wrote:

Any way to get these scopes with standard picatinny or weaver rings?  Might be an interesting scope atop a tactical bolt rifle???

 

Not that I'm aware of...

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Good part:  I've seen these scopes with an integrated weaver/picatinny mount

Bad part:  I think I've seen them at Kalinka Optics which are not the best outfit to deal with if you have a problem.


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As a side note, if anyone new to Russian scopes chances on this thread, here are a few words of caution:

Russian military style POSP and PSO scopes work fairly well and are fairly rugged.  Fixed magnification scopes are more rugged than zoom scopes and have been around longer.

Other russian scopes that need separate rings to be mounted have notoriously spotty QC and should be avoided.

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Ceylonc, it is only available with the dragonav reticle. The movement is very differnet also.

I do not recommend this scope for precision work with a bolt gun.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-SNIPER-RIFLE-SCOPE-POSP-8x42-WD-WEAV ER_W0QQitemZ110035992089QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3636QQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem

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Originally posted by SVD666 SVD666 wrote:

Ceylonc, it is only available with the dragonav reticle. The movement is very differnet also.

I do not recommend this scope for precision work with a bolt gun.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-SNIPER-RIFLE-SCOPE-POSP-8x42-WD-WEAV ER_W0QQitemZ110035992089QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3636QQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem



What do you mean by the movement being different?

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It is not a 1/2 MOA movement it is 1MOA. It also has less elevation adjustment.

This model does not have the long range knobs, the inverted chevron is a little thick also.

http://www.sniperworld.com/books/scope_5.html

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Anybody that is interested in russian scopes of any kind feel free to post your questions on this post.

I have alot of expierience with russian military equipment and parts. For example there is a new polymer

hanguard available for the SVD with a built in weaver rail that allows for alot more mounting options

Izmash also has a exellent new bipod that ataches to this rail. There is a version of the SVD called

a Romak-3 that uses a AK style reciever and a diferent gas operating system, it should be avoided at any

cost,it is not a true sniper rifle.

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Why should Romak-3 be avoided?

It is not an SVD.  It is a somewhat accurized longer-barrel version of AKM.  Same goes for a Yugoslavian M76.  It also retains AK gas system.  Both are pretty decent rifles, the best that I can tell and work well with proper ammo (a batch of russian 7N1 sniper ammo hit the market a little while ago).

Romanians developed Romak 3 for the same purpose as Russians developed the SVD, to the best of my knowledge.

As far as "true sniper rifle" goes, neither Romak-3 no SVD are really true sniper rifles in the same way as the sniper rifles of western armies are. SVD intended function is really a whole lot close to a Designated Marksman Rifle than anything else.

The only two rifles that are actually Dragunov (short stroke gas system) that I can think of off the top of my head are the Russian and the Chinese versions.  The rest of Dragunov look-alikes around the world are functionally AKMs with longer and better barrels.

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Alot of sellers mislead the public by calling the Romak-3 a  SVD or Sniper rifle.

Koshkin with 7N1 the romak can only group 2.25 MOA at 100yds and 2MOA with S&B

7.62x54R match the SVD can group less than 1MOA , yes the Russian and the chinese

short stroke gas system are the most accurate. I heard of a west german SVD

that I would love to try and I would also love to try the new SVDS,do you have any

info on the performance of these rifles koshkin. I am not interested in the new SVU.

Here is my list of true SVD models best to worst I have shot:

!.NDM-86

2.Russian SVD

3.type-79

3.Tigr

 

 

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I've never heard of a West German Dragunov, and I'd be shocked if one existed.  Maybe you meant East German?  I've never seen one of those either, but it would be a more likely variant.

 

As for vendors misrepresenting PSL rifles, that's dishonest on their part.  Nevertheless, I was under an impression that PSL and M76 are slightly less accurate than true SVDs in general, but not by a huge margin.  SVD with the right ammo is typically a 1MOA rifle until the barrel heats up.  PSLs with the right ammo 1.5MOA or so.

 

Like with any Eastern block weapond quality varies considerably from rifle to rifle.

 

SVDS is rumored to have similar accuracy to regular SVDs.  It's barrel is a little thicker and shorter, so I would think it should be slightly more accurate in theory, but I doubt anyone did serious load development for it.

 

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The Two Romak-3's I have shot were not very accurate. Koshkin you were right it is East German

and yes another variant it is the East German SVD-89, oh well here is one less rifle of my want list.

I want a SVDS.

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