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Speaking only about glass quality, primarily resolution, is there a porro that equals the top end roofs?
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Nikon Superior E porros (I think they are called Premier SE nowadays or something like that) offer image quality that to my eyes is better than anything else out there, including top roof binos from Germany.

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Crispy -

 

I agree with Koshkin on the model referenced.  To my eyes, they are equal.  I wouldn't say better, but equal.  Considering you only wanted comments about glass quality, I will stop there.

 

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There is actually nothing that is better with roof's they are slimmer and longer.

For a long time only the best companys could produce somewhat decent roof's as the tolerances inside is much tighter on a roof prisms binocular than a porro.

 

Personally I prefer porro prisms.

 

Mostly people belive that roof prisms is more "modern" but i belive they are more popular due to fashion and personal preferences.

 

First binocular produced with roof prism was a Hensoldt from the first years of the last century, Zeiss had a patent for producing binoculars with wider objectives than oculars due to a wish to enhanced stereoscopic view.

So for decades the roof  construction was the trademark of Hensoldt,  and Zeiss did not produce the classic roof prism binocular before the closed down the production in Oberkochen and renamed the Hensoldt products with Zeiss in the early 70th.

 

That said the roof is not bad, not at all, its a great invention, but personally I prefer porros.

(but my favorite spottingscope is a roof)

 

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Ditto....Nikon

http://nikon.topica.ne.jp/bi_e/products/nature_d.htm



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Thanks for the replys. Is Nikon the only one with top end porros nowadays? If so, that's a shame.
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Fujinon makes excellent porros in the Polaris (FMTR-SX) line.

Optolyth Alpin Classic porros are pretty good.

IOR military style porros are quite nice.

I am not sure, but Swarovski might still be making hteir excellent porros named "Traditional", I think.

Swift 8.5x44ED porros, although cheaper, have absolutely spectacular glass.

Docter Nobilem porros are very good as well.

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Zeiss still makes porros, 7x50 B Marine.

 

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Originally posted by crispycritter crispycritter wrote:

Speaking only about glass quality, primarily resolution, is there a porro that equals the top end roofs?

 

Actually, it's the other way around. The answer is: top roof binoculars do not equal top porros.

Have a look at a Nikon SE 8x32 or 10x42 or one of the top line Fujinons and you will see.  

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AAaaaaaarrrgggg. This not seeing detail is driving me nuts. Watched some deer this afternoon and couldn't "see" what the bucks were.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Fujinon makes excellent porros in the Polaris (FMTR-SX) line.

Optolyth Alpin Classic porros are pretty good.

IOR military style porros are quite nice.

I am not sure, but Swarovski might still be making hteir excellent porros named "Traditional", I think.

Swift 8.5x44ED porros, although cheaper, have absolutely spectacular glass.

Docter Nobilem porros are very good as well.

ILya

 

 

 

ILya, how would you rank the porros that you've looked at?

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Overall, the best porros are the Nikon Premier SE, that I have mentioned earlier.  Current version is supposed to be waterproof.

Fujinon FMTR-SX line is pretty close in performance, but it is individual focus.  Fujis are built like a tank.  You can probably pound nails with them and not ruin alignment.

IOR porros are also individual focus and built very tough, but the glass is a touch worse (mainly at the edges).

Optolyth Alpin Classic center focus porros are very light and have very good centerfield resolution, but there is a noticeable drop-off in the outer 15% of the field of view.  I think smallish prisms are the reason.  Not waterproof.

Swift Audubon 8.5x44 ED center focus porros probably a bit less tough than Fujis or IOR, but optical performance is excellent.  Centerfield resolution with these is probably as good as anything else out there at any price.  These are supposed to be waterproof, but I have my doubts (there were a lot of complaints).

Docter Nobilem are very good center focus porros, but not waterproof.  I played with a 10x50 version at some point and while very good, I thought Nikon and Fuji were a touch better.

I have spent very little time with Swarovski traditional and while they were quite good, I do not recall enough detail for a comparison.

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Thanks ILya, it looks like the 8x Nikon is where I'm going. That's good to hear about the Fujinon as the 7x50 looks like it would make a nice low light glass.
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ILya,

 

Nikon 2007 catalog still has no mention of waterproof for the Nikon Premier SE porro binoculars.

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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

ILya,

 

Nikon 2007 catalog still has no mention of waterproof for the Nikon Premier SE porro binoculars.



John Barseness told me that Premier SE are now waterproof, but I have not gone through the exercise of trying to confirm it.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Fujinon makes excellent porros in the Polaris (FMTR-SX) line.

Optolyth Alpin Classic porros are pretty good.

IOR military style porros are quite nice.

I am not sure, but Swarovski might still be making hteir excellent porros named "Traditional", I think.

Swift 8.5x44ED porros, although cheaper, have absolutely spectacular glass.

Docter Nobilem porros are very good as well.

ILya

 

A question about the Swift porros-- I am considering them, but have heard that there are quality control issues since the sport optic company was spun off from the parent scientific optic company a year or so ago. I have older Swift porros and roofs which are very good for the price, and wonder if this still holds.

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I've heard some comments about QC issues, but nothing definitive.  Swift does have decent warranty in case something goes wrong.

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The competitor guy told me that quality of Poro is better, but drawback is total lack of durability.  He said if dropped, you will be sending it in for repairs. 

 

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I have a pair of Swift Audubon ED Poro's that I purchased about 2 years ago and they have been great binoculars.  The opitcs are close to my Swarovski better then a friends Pentax SP's, better then my Weavers Grand Slams and about the same as a friends older Zeiss Classics.  As far as waterproof I don't think I would take them scuba diving but I have hunted in pouring rain and so has my father with his Swift Audubon's (non -ed glass) and each time never had any problems......great glass for the $$$$$$$

 

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Originally posted by robbie robbie wrote:

The competitor guy told me that quality of Poro is better, but drawback is total lack of durability.  He said if dropped, you will be sending it in for repairs. 

 

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To put it bluntly, your source does not know what he/she is talking about.  When properly built, porros are as tough as roofs, especially military style individual focus binos like Fujinon Polaris and IOR.  You can probably pound nails with them.

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Thanks - The word "competitor" was edited in.  I wrote the word that would be associated with the "World's foremost outfitter"
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Originally posted by robbie robbie wrote:

Thanks - The word "competitor" was edited in.  I wrote the word that would be associated with the "World's foremost outfitter"


A lot of their salesmen seem to be incompetent.  I've heard all sorts of ridiculous stuff from them.

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