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Poll Question: What is your favorite scope BRAND
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
2 [2.27%]
10 [11.36%]
4 [4.55%]
12 [13.64%]
6 [6.82%]
1 [1.14%]
2 [2.27%]
6 [6.82%]
0 [0.00%]
4 [4.55%]
13 [14.77%]
1 [1.14%]
22 [25.00%]
3 [3.41%]
2 [2.27%]
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What is your favorite brand of rifle scope overall, taking everything into consideration -- optical performance, reliability/durability, options/selection, price, physical characteristics, etc.  Please make 2 (AND ONLY 2)selections -- your first and second favorite scope brands and state why they are your favorites.  Please select only those brands that you personally own or have considerable personal experience with so that the poll results are more meaningful.  Your favorite brand of scope and your favorite scope may not be the same thing.  For instance, my favorite individual scope is a S&B, but they are so expensive, I could never justify owning several of them so I could hardly say S&B is my favorite brand. 

My favorite brand of scope is probably Kahles because of excellent optical quality at a reasonable price:performance value.   My second favorite brand is probably Zeiss.  Despite my disdain for their use of plastic turret caps, their optics are among the best available, and they do offer a huge selection of scope models and options at various price points, from midrange to high-end.  However, I'm also quite fond of Nightforce as well, because I enjoy varmint/target shooting between hunting seasons, and their scopes are especially well-suited to that purpose.
 
Obviously, there are many other brands not included, including some very good ones, but there were only 15 spaces allowed in the poll format, so I included the most popular "quality" brands that seem to be mentioned most often by OT members.  Plus, I figured there probably isn't a huge contingent of BSA, Leapers, NC Star, and Barska fans here at OT.  If your favorite isn't on the list, please select "Other" and tell us why your selection is your favorite.  This isn't meant to start a war over what is "best," I'm just curious about what the overwhelming favorites are among OT members.


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Interesting concept of two votes, I like that cause I have two actual favorites right now. Be interesting to see where it goes as the members start to vote in numbers.

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Originally posted by Focus Focus wrote:

Interesting concept of two votes, I like that cause I have two actual favorites right now. Be interesting to see where it goes as the members start to vote in numbers.

Focus
 
I felt that by requesting 2 votes, we'd get a better idea of the pulse of our fellow OT members.  It's possible we may find that a particular brand is most often mentioned as peoples' 2nd favorite.  If that's indeed the case, then it seems to me that even if it's not everyone's #1 favorite brand, if a large enough % of members consider it their #2 choice, then it could be considered the most popular consensus "favorite" among the membership. 
 
Don't be shy now; tell us what you think!


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Nikon and Super Sniper for me, Ted.
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Put me in for Kahles and Sightron...
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Kahles and Burris
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Nikon and Super Sniper for me, Ted.
 
I wish there had been more selection options in the poll format, because I would have liked to include Super Sniper, as well as a couple others, among the choices.
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You got it covered in the "other" section.

Good thread!! Super

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Well mark.....at least we know who the other vote is.....I believe it will get real interesting as the patterns develop. My guess is zeiss, bushnell, and kahles will be strong.

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 I don't really know enough about scopes to voice a valid opinion...
  Great thread, though.
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Seeadler-Optik and Pecar- Berlin for me. Someone might as well be the black sheep of the family.Big%20GrinCool
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I voted for Kahles.  I currently own three.  There are parts of Europe where people would tell you they make higher-quality scopes than Swarovski and Zeiss.  The fact they are not that well known in the U.S. is too bad, really.  Hopefully that will change now that they are splitting from Swarovski. 

Price vs. performance is unmatched.   Performance excluding price is also largely unmatched, unless you want to spend $500+ more.

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I voted Kahles and Leupold. Kahles for the same reasons most here like them. Leupold because optical quality doesn't always mean the most. Reticle selection, external dimensions and the way they look on my guns are important, too. My Bushnells and Nikons have a tad better glass but they still have some showing to do for me, but it's real close for all of three.
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Zeiss and Kahles
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I love the topic Ted, Im gonna have to go with Nikon and Zeiss
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I'll go with Kahles and Zeiss!
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I voted for IOR and Sightron, although it was a pretty tough call.  

I was looking for brands that make a nice variety of scopes and between the two brands I wanted to cover both tactical and hunting markets.  Still I wanted these two brands to cover a range from fairly inexpensive (~$200) to expensive-but-not-divorce-inducing (<$1200). 

I think very highly of Kahles scopes, but I think I am generally willing to pay more for tactical-type scopes than for hunting scopes (just a personal preference).  Kahles tactical line-up is pretty limited while their hunting scopes are excellent but pricy.

Super Sniper is a great tactical scope, but the selection is pretty limited (at least until the variables come out).

Bushnell Elite 4200 scopes are excellent, but Sightron's Big Sky are very comparable with a bit more eye relief.

Leupold is not my favourite brand since I find them overpriced for what you get. 

Not a big fan of Nightforce either.  Very robust scopes, but I do not like the illumination and the eyepiece.  Glass is also underwhelming for the price.

Nikon has just changed the Monarch line-up and I have not looked at the new scopes yet.  I have never been a big Nikon fan though.

Burris makes nice scopes, but some of the changes at Burris are not to my liking and I am waiting to see where the brand is going to go.

Meopta makes nice scopes, but I prefer IOR to Meopta.

Zeiss/S&B/US Optics/Swarovski are nice, but higher end models are just way too expensive.

Trijicon needs to offer a greater variety of products, IMO.

ILya

PS I've been out of the loop for a while.  I see a bunch of PMs in my inbox that need to be replied to and I promise to do it shortly.  My apologies for the delay.
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Hmmmm....
Ah yes, there it is. Leupold and Leupold for me.........American%20Flag  
 
 
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IOR, and Bushnell for me.
IOR for the build, glass, reticle, all fantastic for the money.
Bushnell for the quality to cost ratio.
 
My third would be a toss. Millett TRS, and SuperSniper, I can't see how you can beat these two in their price range.


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had to go with Bushnell for the best value in scopes right no--. the 4200 series ( I couldn't go with Nikon due to their horrible customer service )  I gave my "cost not an issue " nod to Swarovski.

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had to go zeiss and kahles - IF i had the money, of course
 
BUT i am probably going to buy another 4200 or conquest on my next rifle.
IOR 4x32 is really really tempting to replace an older scope............
 
but zeiss vm/v is my top fav - followed closely by the kahles C - i have to give credit
where credit is due.
 
good thread RD.
 
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i only have three choices here so its easy for me, i have 2 bushy's and 2 nikons and one leupold so i take nikon and bushnell
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I voted for IOR and Sightron, although it was a pretty tough call.  

I was looking for brands that make a nice variety of scopes and between the two brands I wanted to cover both tactical and hunting markets.  Still I wanted these two brands to cover a range from fairly inexpensive (~$200) to expensive-but-not-divorce-inducing (<$1200). 

I think very highly of Kahles scopes, but I think I am generally willing to pay more for tactical-type scopes than for hunting scopes (just a personal preference).  Kahles tactical line-up is pretty limited while their hunting scopes are excellent but pricy.

Super Sniper is a great tactical scope, but the selection is pretty limited (at least until the variables come out).

Bushnell Elite 4200 scopes are excellent, but Sightron's Big Sky are very comparable with a bit more eye relief.

Leupold is not my favourite brand since I find them overpriced for what you get. 

Not a big fan of Nightforce either.  Very robust scopes, but I do not like the illumination and the eyepiece.  Glass is also underwhelming for the price.

Nikon has just changed the Monarch line-up and I have not looked at the new scopes yet.  I have never been a big Nikon fan though.

Burris makes nice scopes, but some of the changes at Burris are not to my liking and I am waiting to see where the brand is going to go.

Meopta makes nice scopes, but I prefer IOR to Meopta.

Zeiss/S&B/US Optics/Swarovski are nice, but higher end models are just way too expensive.

Trijicon needs to offer a greater variety of products, IMO.

ILya

PS I've been out of the loop for a while.  I see a bunch of PMs in my inbox that need to be replied to and I promise to do it shortly.  My apologies for the delay.
 
It's good to hear from you again, ILya!  We missed you!
 
Thanks for elaborating on your choices.  Your post brings up a very valid point that I kinda expected would shape the results.  All of our preferences are greatly influenced by the type of shooting we prefer and what we're each willing to spend, and not necessarily which scope has the best glass.  For example, besides deer, elk, and feral hog hunting, I'm big into benchrest and precision varmint shooting, but not tactical shooting, so although I like tactical style scopes, I prefer those that are well suited for varmint / target use.  In that respect, reticle design, POI stability, and mechanical repeatability are all way more important to me than the type of elevation adjustments or even optical quality in a dedicated varmint/target scope, so I love the Nightforce lineup (even though it isn't one of my top 2 brand picks), which I feel overall offers the very best reticle selection for these uses.  Even though I agree that Nightforce's illumination system is severely lacking compared to other illuminated scopes, unlike when hunting, I never use illumination for the applications I bought them for, so I could care less if it even had it.  So, if I'm not going to use it anyway, it's good not to have an extra knob protruding from the scope.  In IOR, I prefer the SFP MP8 models over the FFP versions, also because I'm looking at the scope for varmint/target rather than tactical use and prefer the thinnest reticle possible over easier range estimation at all magnifications.  I very much like the IOR scope I own -- great glass and reticle -- but I can understand some of the complaints the tactical guys have expressed about it and I can understand why others wouldn't like some of the scopes I prefer for their particular brand of shooting discipline.  If the tactical bug bites me, I would pick an entirely different scope. 
 
Another example of what shapes my own personal preferences is during the offseason, I do a lot of nighttime hog hunting.  So, I love a good, well-designed illuminated reticle in many of my hunting scopes, and in some cases, I'm willing to pay extra to get a scope with excellent low light glass and excellent illumination system.
 
Good comments!  I find it interesting to see where everyone is coming from and why each of us prefer what we prefer!


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Hey Ronk, don't need to have any deep optical knowledge just a favorite brand of scope.....or maybe even two....

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Zeiss and Bushnell, wanting to try a Kahles
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