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Poll Question: Which low power variable is sure not to disappoint on a brush gun.
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Any other low power variables you want to recommend (or decry) are welcome; maybe a 2-7x would work?
 
This year, the property was cropped in soybeans for the first time in 20 years, and I went to a 3-9x FFII thinking that some open country shooting was in order.  Those opportunities were rare, but in the woods and brush, the 3x was frustratingly limited.  Several times, I cold not pick up a moving deer under 50 feet with too much magnification and too little contrast.  And the low light performance was, how should I say, "guaranteed to keep you within legal shooting hours".  My 2-7x prostaff shotgun has 20 minutes more legal light in it on both ends of the day.
 
Humpday of week 1 of a 2 week season and I am retooling.  Maybe I should just quit while I am behind Whacko
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The vortex viper in 2-7 is $90 off, only $170. Win-win situation.
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That Viper is a whole lot of scope for the money... http://swfa.com/Vortex-2-7x32-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P11227.aspx



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i mean yeah you CAN spend over $400 if you want, but is it really necessary? nahh.
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   The OP puts an emphasis on low light performance and as much as I like my Viper I'm gonna be honest in that I don't know how the visiblility of the C3 reticle(or for that matter,any Viper offered reticle)will be at LOW light(I may find out next week though!).  If y'all notice,lucytuma takes that into consideration in the reticle choices for his scope suggestions.
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Vortex:  vapor scopes from my experience; my last effort was back ordered.  I want something in my hands by Friday.
 
I have looked at larger objective low variables, reticle options, and considered illumination.
1.  My VariX-III @ 1.5x gave well beyond legal hours of clear reticle/field image.
2.  The illumination adds weight and expense.
 
Eye relief is also a critical requirement.  Ideally I would like 4+" of non-critical eye relief for snap shooting running game.
 
My scopes stay at their lowest setting 99.999% percent of the time.
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The little weaver is a nice little scope, here's another one to consider with the #4 plex which is great for low light and quick target acquisition.
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I really like my 2-8x32 Monarch.  For me, it is more forgiving of head/eye position than my Viper or VX-III.  I haven't directly compared low light performance, but the other scopes have larger objectives.
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  Palehorse,you mention having a problem at under 50' with magnification and contrast.  I used a Vari-X III 3.5-10x40AO for over 20yrs in alot of close up situations.  I never had a problem at 3.5X(which is actually a bit less).  Good optics makes a big diff in how a scope performs.  Maybe consider this:

      http://swfa.com/Zeiss-3-9x40-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-P608.aspx

  I've got one in 4X.  The etched Z-Plex reticle is wide,dark,and sharp in low light.  Very good optics in low light to. 
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+1 Zeiss,best bang for the buck on the scope planet.
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Also consider the SIghtron Big Sky 1.25-5x.  I have one on a lever gun and really like it.  THe low end is very bright and fast.  Downside is the reticle is more on the fine side, but I have still used it in low light successfully.
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Originally posted by Palehorse Palehorse wrote:

Vortex:  vapor scopes from my experience; my last effort was back ordered.  I want something in my hands by Friday.
 
I have looked at larger objective low variables, reticle options, and considered illumination.
1.  My VariX-III @ 1.5x gave well beyond legal hours of clear reticle/field image.
2.  The illumination adds weight and expense.
 
Eye relief is also a critical requirement.  Ideally I would like 4+" of non-critical eye relief for snap shooting running game.
 
My scopes stay at their lowest setting 99.999% percent of the time.
not sure how you expect to get an item in two days unless you are picking it up from a store, or paying alot for express shipping.  did you call SWFA to ask what was in stock?  if money is of no concern then by all means avoid the viper Whacko
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And the winner is . . .
 
Nikon Monarch UCC 1.5-4.5x20 Ultra Wide Matte Nikoplex Riflescope
 
Thanks for the replies Howdy
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an alternative to the Nikon Monarch 1.5-4.5X20 is the Nitrex TR1 1.5-5x32 for $90 after rebate from Nitrex.  This is a discontinued model Nitrex equivalent to a Weaver Grand Slam....will be comparable to the Monarch for quality of glass, but at a much lower price.  Think you'd be happier with a 32mm scope than a 20mm.   Just google Nitrex TR1 1.5-5x32 and you should find seller with the discontinued Nitrex to sell at reduced prices.
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These REALLY useful low power scopes are almost never on the shelf (I had to drive 2 states over to a Wheeling, WV, store to look at fixed 2 powers) so I could compare them.
 
I was thoroughly pleased with my early 90's vintage Vari-X III 1.5-4.5x20 and I am hoping the much newer Monarch will be better still.
 
I understand larger objective argument for low light.  But the Vari-X gave my 45 minutes pre-sunrise clearly visible reticle (clear sky conditions) and 30 minutes is the legal cutoff.
 
Too bad the Nitrex are being discontinued.
 
Anyway, the UCC arrived today, and I will get it on the gun tonight, and find out in the morning how well I can see Cool
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  Join the club of "The Dying Breed". LUVers of low powered variables.
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