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PsychoCemia
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Hey guys! This'll be my first post in the forums here, but I've been lurking around for a good while. Great stuff.
When I first bought my Remington 597, I went scopeless for a few weeks, then bought a horrible, awful, terrible Centerpoint 3-9x50 that happened to be on sale for $30. At first it wasn't so bad, but after several trigger upgrades and several thousand rounds, the scope is starting to show its age. I have to re-center it every outing, the adjustments are hardly what I'd call repeatable (I'd be down 1 or 2 MOA, so I'd adjust it accordingly, only to have it overshoot by a good 1.5 MOA, so then I'd have to dial it back down, and so on). All in all, it's unreliable, and I can't trust it to be on target beyond a couple dozen rounds. Now, I've got a dove-tail -> Weaver rail adapter and Burris Z rings, so those aren't the problem. I'm at the point now where I'm done farting around with a bad scope. I do 90% paper shooting at a range (25% @ 25yd, 50% @ 50yd, and 25% @ 100yd), and 10% woods. So, with my wide range of target distances, I've pretty much made a 3-9x with AO the bare minimum. I'd prefer a ballistic reticle (mil-dot or the like, but it's not a necessity). My budget is ~$200 (but I'd be willing to fudge it up to $250 for the right scope with a decent warranty). Here's what I've found so far that I feel will fit my bill. (In order of favor as of right now) 1) Burris Timberline 4.5-14x32 -- Worried that 32mm is too dark for the woods. 2) Weaver RV9 3-9x32 -- Biggest downer is the lack of a MilDot reticle 3) Mueller APV 4.5-14x40 -- Again no MilDot 4) Sightron S1 3-9x40 -- No AO 5) Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40 -- No AO 6) Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14x42 -- Perfect fit, but cheapest I've found is $300 Any help would be awesome! I'm looking at buying sometime in the next week, so keep me posted with suggestions and comments. Thanks! ~Psycho |
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PsychoCemia
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I'm also considering the Simmons AETEC 4-14x44 w/ AO & MilDot, but I'm skeptical of the quality of the scope (it seems to be the most expensive scope that Simmons offers at ~$200).
I do have a Simmons 3.5-10x50 WTC sitting on my Tikka .25-06, where it's been and held its zero for about 5 years now. So I've had good personal experience with Simmons, but I've heard horror stories. There are just way too many options. I'm thinking it'll be a couple weeks before I order the scope, so I've got some time to get some feedback from you guys. Thanks again! |
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tahqua
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I would get the Weaver, out of those mentioned. It has fine glass and an AO.
I have a mil-dot on a magnum springer and that reticle doesn't do a whole lot at your ranges. The AO does help for precise shooting from 10-100 yards, though.
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PsychoCemia
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Thanks tahqua. You don't think that the 32mm objective is too dark?
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tahqua
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I think it is fine for low light if you don't dial it up past 6x.
Welcome to O.T., BTW
Doug
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PsychoCemia
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Thanks again. Last two questions. :)
1) Do you think I'll need anything higher than a 3-9x for poking holes at 100yd? 2) Anything that WASN'T on my list above that you'd possibly recommend? (~$150-250 range) |
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9x is fine for 100 yards. I don't think you can go wrong with the Burris 3-9x40. But I would get the rimfire version. http://www.swfa.com/pc-14133-203-burris-3-9x40-fullfield-ii-rifle-scope.aspx
Also, do you have the T version 597 with the heavier barrel?
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Contact us Monday to Friday from 8:00am to 5:00pm CST at: 1-972-SCOPE-IT (726-7348) Edited by Kickboxer - May/13/2009 at 13:28 |
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No, I've got the stainless version with synthetic stock. A heavier barrel is definitely an option down the line, so I don't want to limit myself power-wise on the scope just yet. That's a great deal with the two scopes, but I'm thinking the lack of an AO might be a deal breaker.
Kickboxer, that scope weighs a third of my rifle. It looks pretty good, though. |
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Well, I found this deal:
http://www.swfa.com/pc-14136-203-burris-45-14x42-fullfield-ii-rifle-scope.aspx It's almost exactly what I'm looking for, seeing as I've been considering an upgrade on my .25-06, and the Burris 4.5-14x was my #1 choice for that. The missing AO on the 3-9x is still killing me, though. |
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The Weaver RV9 is a very good little scope and I'd also consider a Weaver V16 4-16x42.
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Sholling, isn't that 4-16x a little too big for a little gun like a .22? My only worry is that it'll make the gun unwieldy in the field. Do you have one, or have you walked around with one?
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Good question. I'd say the V16 pushing the limits but only you'll know if it's too much for your rifle. I just tossed it out as a possibility since you were looking at 4.5-14x40 scopes. It's a lot better scope than an APV (both are).
One of my Ruger 10/22s (18" inch barrel) with a RV9 One of my 10/22s (18.5" barrel) with a V24, about the same physical size as a V16. I've also played around with a Simmons ProHunter in 6-24x44 on another 10/22 (19" barrel). It's really-really long and so I light that I have no faith in how it will hold up but it works pretty good so far. |
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Hey guys! Alright, I'm thinking I'm going to jump in with that Burris Timberline 4.5-14x32. SWFA has is for $200, which looks to be a fair price.
I've got one reservation still about the scope. In looking at the Burris website ( http://www.burrisoptics.com/timberline.html ) it mentions having the scopes being used with magnum rifles (hence the eye relief). **** Is there anything WRONG with using a "magnum" scope on a .22 (I'm thinking lifespan, here...)? **** |
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The Timberline should work fine, I've just never liked the way that they look.
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How's that, sholling?
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The short front tube always looked awkward to me. It's just a personal taste thing. But functionally it should be a good scope.
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I'll agree that it looks a little awkward, but I'm hoping it'll look less so when mounted. In any case, it won't look more awkward than this dinky monster I've got sitting on the gun right now.
I went ahead and bought the Burris Timberline from SWFA and it's already shipped. I also got some low profile Zee Rings. I'm hoping that because I've got an adapter rail (Dovetail->Weaver) on my rifle that there'll be enough clearance for the 32mm. There should be, though. The rail is a good 1/2" above the dovetail. |
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good looking sticks, sholling. 22's are so much fun to shoot.
I am going to go home today and rattle off a few rounds.
Psycho, let us know how it works for you. And Old Def Leppard STILL rocks the house.
J
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