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Can anyone tell me ANYTHING about Remington Premier Series binoculars?  Any and all info is appreciated.

 

Also, can anyone tell me where the following 4 sets of binos would rank and why:

 

Leupold Wind River Pinnicle 8 X 42

 

Bushnell Legend 8 X 42

 

Smith and Wesson Performance 10 X 42

 

Remington Premier Series 8 X 42 or 10 X 42

 

Thanks a lot for any insight!!!

 

 

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The Remington Optics Premiers are virtual identical twins to the Seben Desperado's that you see running on eBay all of the time.  If I'm not mistaken they're re-branded Barska's and all made in the same plant in China to identical specs.  None of them claim to be phase coated and at one time Cabela's was selling the same binocular under their own brand.  Meade offers a binocular as their #09-85006 model with the nearly the same eye cups, rubber armoring, and dimensional stats as the Remington 8002 if I'm not mistaken and you see them on close out for $60.

In short, the Remington's look to be comparable in dimensions, features, and performance to binoculars that sell for around a hundred bucks.

I looked through a pair of the 8x42 Remington's in a local gun store a few months ago and they felt awfully big and bulky in my hands.  I liked the thin twist up eye cups and found the center adjustment ring to be a bit stiff.  They were only marked as $89 on clearance and I didn't take the opportunity to put a down payment on them--they just didn't strike me as a bargain given that I've already got more than enough 8x binocs in my inventory.

The specs are below at the bottom of this post.

As for the Smith & Wesson Performance Optics, I own two pair--the 10x25's and the 12x50's.  I love the 10x25's.  They're phase coated, come with Rainguard, twist up eye cups, compact and very good optics for the size.  They're fully multi-coated and work well in dusk/dawn situations for their size.

The 8x32's, 10x40's, and 12x50's are re-branded Bushnell Legends and come with all the features of the Legends.  My 12x50's are great until you put a dark subject against a light background and then the color fringing is pretty substantial.  I won't complain though, since I got them for $115 from Bob Wards on eBay.

I've got a Smith & Wesson Optics catalog if you need any particular specs on a size or model.  I wrote to S&W a year ago and got what they claimed was their last copy of the brochure that they had at the factory.

Hope that helps.
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Remington Optics 8X42 Premier Series Binoculars - 8002

Remington Optics Premier Series Binoculars collection boast the highest quality components in the Remington optic stable. Carefully assembled, nitrogen-filled, and wrapped in shock-resistant, waterproof rubber armor, the Premier line offers a level of optical excellence second-to-none.

Remington Optics 8X42 Premier Series feature a fast, accurate center focus system and up to a full inch of eye relief. A neoprene neck strap and a cordura carrying case are included with all Premier Series Binoculars as is our generous 2 year limited warranty. Mind-boggling resolution and light transmitting ability is loaded into the smallest, lightest possible package. Prism systems are crafted from the highest quality Bak4 barium crown glass.

Fully multi-coated lenses, and a more than generous amount of eye relief contribute to what will undoubtedly be the Premier's reputation for unsurpassed performance and value.

Specifications for Remington Optics 8X42 Premier Series Binoculars:

Model:  8X42
Magnification (X):  8
Objective Diameter (mm):  42
Prism Type:  Bak4 Roof
Field of View (degrees):  8.2°
Field of View at 1000 Yards (ft):  430
Eye Relief (mm):  23
Exit Pupil Diameter (mm):  5.25
Minimum Focus (m):  8
Weight (ounces):   
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Gremlin,

 

Thanks for taking the time to give me that info!

 

Smith & Wesson S&W Performance 10X42mm Binocular - A great choice for all of your hunting and wildlife viewing needs S&W Performance 10X42mm BinocularHere's the S&W 10X42's.

 

Am I reading your post correctly that these are rebranded Bushnell Legends?  Are they a good deal at under $200.00?  What dollar value would you put them at retail-wise?

Please let me know....thanks.

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I'd avoid the S&W and Remington offerings, as they're most likely rebranded Chinese optics that you can get from someone else for 2/3 the price.  You mention the Wind River Pinnacles...  Check out the Browning 10x42 if you get the chance.  I like them better than the Bushnell (B&L) Discoverers and the Wind River Olympics. 

Just a thought.
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Xeno,

Thanks for the input.

 

That is what I thought too....BUT they are made in Japan...and if the S&W binos are made in the same plant as their scopes...it is being touted by one retailer as "Japan's Finest Optics Factory"......so the jury is still out.

I think for what I am looking for (Low light brightness/clarity)....they may be okay....but I would still like to get as many opininions as possible before laying down some $$

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The Smith & Wesson Performance Optics line were some fabulous scopes and binoculars that were only carried in the S&W catalog for one year.  They were most likely made in exactly the same place as the Browning Optics are made today.

Both lines offer curiously similar specifications to the Bushnell Legend roof binoculars.  I suspect that all three (along with Pentax) have similar origins.

Given that Browning really had not been a serious player in the binocular industry in the last thirty years,  I'm guessing that they, too, are rebranded products produced to someone else's specifications.  Having said that, the Brownings are probably a very good binocular.

Just because a binocular is rebranded by someone else doesn't necessarily prevent it from being a good optical product.

Smith & Wesson Performance Optics binoculars are some of the finest deals in binocs that you can find if you buy them at the right price.

Fully multi-coated, phase coated, waterproof, Rainguarded, twist up eye cups, quality rubber armoring, good internal baffling... is there something there that you wouldn't want to have in a roof binocular at a discounted price?

Just my two cents.
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Yes, I'm aware of the Browning's being rebranded as well.  I've actually viewed them in side by side comparison, and in their price range they are slightly better optically than the Bushnell Discoverer roof 10x42.  The Discoverer also had an unacceptable diopter adjustment wheel, right behind the focus wheel.  It is very thin and ratchety, and is prone to accidental movement, just because of the tab and how loose and easy it is to turn.  The Browning design is much more solid in this regard. 

The S&W Optics were indeed nice, not great though, and my mistake about labeling them as made in PRC, but their price is out of the question, IMO.
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Anyone else have any thoughts?  Please chime in....I am really seeking advice here.
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If you're looking for more in-depth discussions of Binoculars in general, the BirdForum.net's Binocular Forum has more than several days worth of reading on a great number of different brands.

http://www.birdforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=112
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Keep in mind that sometimes what makes a binocular a good birding binocular will not make it a good hunting binocular.  Birders like a fast geared focus wheel, the ability to focus on your shoe laces and don't care as much about durability as hunters do.  Fast geared bird glass can be a problem for hunters trying to count points on a trophy deer at distance.  Binoculars that focus at ridiculously close ranges will have a compromised infinity focus.

 

Birders also put more emphasis on true color representation which is not as important to hunters.  Lots of good info. on these sites but you have to understand that there is a difference in hunting binoculars vs. birding binoculars in order to get the most for your buck and to avoid paying for features you won't use and don't need.

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Chris,

I appreciate youe input regarding the birding aspect of things.

But can you take a moment to give some info on any of the questions (ALL hunting related) that I have posted?  I'd appreciate it.

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Originally posted by georgiabowhuntr georgiabowhuntr wrote:

Can anyone tell me ANYTHING about Remington Premier Series binoculars?  Any and all info is appreciated.

 

Also, can anyone tell me where the following 4 sets of binos would rank and why:

 

Leupold Wind River Pinnacle 8 X 42

 

Bushnell Legend 8 X 42

 

Smith and Wesson Performance 10 X 42

 

Remington Premier Series 8 X 42 or 10 X 42

 

Thanks a lot for any insight!!!

 

 

 

The re-branded stuff come and go all the time.  The best advice I can give you is to buy optics from optics companies and guns from gun companies.

 

What happens when your S&W binos fog next year and they are no longer in the "optics" business.  Also keep in mind that most companies that permit rebranding of their products do not allow them to be the same quality as their own product (in most cases) to avoid competing with themselves.

 

The Leupold is better optically but not by a whole lot.  The Bushnell is definitely a better value, has Rainguard and comes with a coupon for a huge gear bag. 

 

1. Bushnell Legend 8 X 42

2. Leupold Wind River Pinnacle 8 X 42

3. Smith and Wesson Performance 10 X 42

4. Remington Premier Series 8 X 42 or 10 X 42

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