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I have a left hand 7mm rem mag browning A bolt.  18 yrs old, non boss.
I have been wanting to scratch an itch concerning a custom rifle build. 
Here's the dilemma--there is a custom builder close by that worked for Kenny Jarrett for 21 yrs as his shop manager at Jarrett Rifles. 
He has two routes I can take
option one--accurizing the 7mag action, replacing the barrel and stock work to a new McMillan for around 1600 dollars. 
option two--for about 2700 dollars, he will do the above but guarantee accuracy to .5 MOA--way better than I would ever be able to shoot. 
If option one is faulty, he will replace the barrel for the cost of the barrel but no labor cost.  No guarantee of accuracy.

Thoughts?
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I find it hard to imagine that accurizing an action, placing a new, high-quality barrel on it and providing you with a good stock that fits you wouldn't automatically make any decent rifle into a .5 MOA rig. Depending on how well the stock locks up (or not) you might throw in a bedding job for another $150 or so.

Some other things to consider spending your money on: Given your statement that .5 MOA would be better than you can shoot you might be happier improving some other part of the system, such as the scope and rings. Or if you shoot prone, a better bipod. Granted, a rifle that is a tack shooter is always better than one that isn't. But that's only if everything else is equal. It would help with recommendations if you posted your goals for it and how you plan to use the rifle, especially most of the time.
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I hunt 75-100 days a year in SC for whitetail--Aug 15 -Jan 1--bean fields, woods, power lines, etc.
I plan on going to Africa next May, and hopefully after moose in Alaska one day.
the rifle will be getting new rings (talley) and new scope--have a new in box zeiss 3x12x56 30mm tube.
  the web site states
This service includes the complete accurizing; complete blueprinting of the action, and re-chambering of the barrel to correct headspace. It is also possible to rechamber to improved versions of many cartridges during this process.
Includes barrel, action work, fitting and chambering, crowning, and bead blasting of barrel. (It does not include any stock work.)
then I will probably polycoat the whole thing
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How does the rifle shoot now?

So the accuracy guarantee is $1100. You could go buy a new factory rifle for that much that would shoot very very well, if not half minute, out of the box.

I'm skeptical of why any gunsmith would charge 1100 dollars for an accuracy guarantee like that? What level of quality can you expect without this special guarantee? Seems like it would be better business to only sell rifles or do work you would stand behind.
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Sounds like you got the scope and rings covered...hard to improve on that combo!

Still seems to me that if the service you quote includes all that, you ought to end up with a .5 MOA rifle for $1600. I've had to H-S stocks bedded (one I did, one by a smith). Both tightened up a tad...maybe went from .5 to .3/.4 MOA with the load I'm shooting, which is for hunting so not necessarily the best bullet for accuracy. So you might consider going back to have that done, but wait until you've tested out the other work. You may not need it. A properly installed barrel from any of the best makers will account for a lot of the improvement.
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No stock work,will probably poly coat the whole thing for $1600 & then not back his work to .50moa @ 100yds????BS Flag
There are alot of really good smitties out there I'd look some where else.As said above many rifle companies now give you .50 moa out of the box & stand behind their work.
 
For $1900 Robert Hart who makes his own barrels will put together a package to hit .50 moa all day long!I've been using his services for 8 years & he is top of the line.
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this did include action work, new barrel, and new stock as posted above.
thanks guys--these were my thoughts as well.
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What size groups are you getting now? To be frank that's a lot of $$ to accurize a rifle that may already be plenty accurate enough to shoot deer with. By this I mean since the Browning has a pretty good reputation I would imagine that it could easily be brought to 1 moa or less capability with some load work and maybe minor stock work if it isn't already doing that. Since you made the statement that .5moa is "way" better than you could shoot are you prepared to spend $2K and not be able to see any significant improvement in your groups. Just my $.02 but I believe I would save my $2K and turn that moose hunt from a maybe into a sure thing.
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90% of the accuracy will come from the barrel.  Unless he really screws something up, I don't see how it will not be a shooter with a good quality barrel.  Tell him you want a Lilja, Hart, Kreiger, Mike Rock, or Bartlein barrel. 

I would also have him skim bed the action, that can make a huge difference.
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Super, that was the main thing that I was looking for--I have another guy I am looking at as well.
what do you think is the life span of a barrel in terms of number of shots?  7Rem Mag?
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That partly depends upon how fast you shoot.  Meaning do you get your barrel really hot or do you just shoot a few rounds and let it cool. 

It will burn out the throat mostly.  When that happens you can just have them cut an inch off and re-chamber it again. 

I am not sure what the life span will be, it also depends upon what level of accuracy you want.  If you are talking the best accuracy, it might fall off some between 1000 and 1500 rounds since it is a magnum.  But for hunting accuracy if might be for for 2000 or 3000 rounds and still be plenty accurate. 

I had 4000+ rounds through a .308 when I got a new barrel.  The smith said he could see some pretty good throat erosion in the old barrel, but it still shot very well.  But a magnum will be a lot different, I'm just not sure how many.


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So, if I shoot 3/4 inch groups at 100yds fairly consistently the best bang for the buck would be trigger work and stock work in terms of improving accuracy to stretch the range? Assuming the previous scope and ring change? I should be at about 1000 shots thru the tube.
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If your currently shooting .75MOA I would invest in a new stock or stock work, and a trigger before looking at a new tube.  Then after you start to see a decline in accuracy get a smith to change the tubes and you already have the stock and rest of the package ready.   I'd venture to say if your getting .75 now with just stock and trigger you could possible get down to .50
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.75 is pretty good for a factory hunting gun.  I would do what SVT says.  That is unless you just "want" a new barrel  Wink  Nothing wrong with that either.
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thanks guys!
I like that plan and cost much better!
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