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There have been a few discussion here and there regarding the difference between Pentax and Burris scopes.  I've been scouring the net for information on that and on the new Gameseeker scope line.  Not sure if anyone except me still cares about this, but here we go.  Presumably, this comes from a PentaxUSA division manager:

 

Pentax and Burris scopes (except for Gameseeker) are the same. 

 

Burris makes mechanicals here in the US, and Pentax makes the glass in Japan. 

 

Various Pentax Lightseeker scopes are the same as Burris Signature Select and various Diamonds and are made here in US.

 

Pentax Pioneer and Whitetails Unlimited are the same as Burris Fullfield II.  Burris Fullfield II and Pentax Pioneer are, for the most part, assembled in Phillipines out of the same components as the scopes assembled in US.  Some Burris Fullfield II scopes and all Pentax Whitetails Unlimited scopes are assembled in the US out of the same components as the Phillipine assembled scopes.  Hence the price difference between otherwise identical Pentax Pioneer and Pentax Whitetails Unlimited.

 

When moving production to the Philipines, Burris took their Colorado factory and moved the machinery to the Philipines and trained local workers, so this is not the case of subcontracting.  This is a Burris-owned factory.

 

As for the Gameseeker scopes, from what I've been able to find out, they are made in China.  I am not sure who makes these for Pentax though (or if it is a Pentax facility in China).  Presumably they are desinged to be just as good as Nikon Buckmaster at lower price point.  Once they hit the market I'll buy a couple and play with them.  Maybe I'll even challenge cheaptrick to a Buckmaster agains Gameseeker comparison test.

 

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Once they hit the market I'll buy a couple and play with them.  Maybe I'll even challenge cheaptrick to a Buckmaster agains Gameseeker comparison test.

ILya

 

Sounds good!!

 

Appreciate you posting that information about Burris and Pentax.

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It will be interesting to see what the quality of Chinese made Gameseeker scopes will be.  If Pentax manages to enforce some quality control, that may reek havoc on the low end (under ~$200) scope market.  Interestingly, Leupold and Nikon tried to get a piece of that market with the Rifleman/VX-I and Pro-staff scopes, respectively.  I do not know the official numbers, but it looks like the consumers are sufficiently savvy these days to not fall for it a whole lot.  I do not see many of these at local shooting ranges and those who try them tend to be disappointed.  I guess, that is a question for our hosts here.  Do the low end Leupold and Nikon scopes sell well?

 

Anyhow, I wonder if Pentax will be more succesful.

 

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Koshkin,

 

   Did you get a Gameseeker yet?  The 4x is looking pretty good on paper with fully multi-coated optics for under 90 bucks!  I was leaning toward a Weaver K4 for my next inexpensive scope, but the Pentax is tempting...

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I've got a 1.75-5x20 Gameseeker on order. 

I am setting up a comparison of a few scopes at a lower end of magnification range and with smallish objective lenses (32mm or less).  I'll have Sightron S2 2.5-10x32, Burris Fullfield II 2-7x35, Burris Fullfield II 1.75-5x20, Weaver Grand Slam 1.75-5x32 and Pentax Gameseeker 1.75-5x20, Burris Compact 4x20.  I may include some others if I can get my hands on them.

That covers a range of prices with Gameseeker being the cheapest. We'll see how it holds up.

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Great post and report Koshkin.
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Thanks for the post Koshkin . . . as a guy still looking for the right scope at the right price this kind of stuff really helps.

 

"Do the low end Leupold and Nikon scopes sell well?" 

There are legions of gun buyers out there who are going to drop $800-1200 on a rifle only to buy what the think is a good scope at a great price just because the name Leupold or Nikon is on it regardles of the model. 

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Koshkin, then is the Lightseeker SG 2.5x20 made in the US along with the Fullfield II 2.5x20 with the only diffrence the Lightseeker has better glass then the Fullfield II?  Or is the Lightseeker SG optically the same as the all the Fullfield IIs?

 

The Lightseeker SG is an ounce lighter and .8" shorter then the Fullfield II 2.5x20, oh yeah, the Lightseaker is also $76 bucks more.  Is the price diffrence because of glass or made in the USA or both?

 

Help . . .

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Ok, I am slow.  The Lightkeeper is 2.5x25 while the Fullfield II 2.5x20.  So they are diffrent and I am not the most observant fellow (maybe that is why I need a good rifle scope ).  Either way, I have learned enough here to know that for the normal exit pupil there is no diffrence in a 2.5 scope between 25 or 20 mm objective.  Now only if I could convice my wife that all the time I spend on the net is not wasted.
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Thanks Koshkin, I will be looking forward to your report!  I have been looking at a couple of the scopes you mentioned for my new muzzle loader.
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rgcurrey, Pentax is making some sort of a typo there.  THey list this scope as having an exit pupil of 7mm with magnification of 2.5x and objective lens of 25mm.  Someone there has been smoking crack.  Either way it makes no difference.

I would expect the Lightseeker SG and Fullfield II to be the same, but I have not looked at them side by side.

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Hello ILya,

Are you still out there as a moderator?  I would like to see you RE-visit this discussion some 7 years later concerning Pentax scopes----in particular the lesser Gameseeker iii and 30 lines.  And, I would like this to include high magnification scopes in general i.e. up to 32X or 40X.  I just purchased a new Pentax Gameseeker 30 8-32X50 and must say I am sufficiently impressed w/the optics which are both bright and clear out to the max magnification----32X.  Moreover, the turrets are not mushy as I have read in a number of reviews but are rather crisp and loud.  I wonder if in 2013, the Chinese have finally begun to begin producing "some" worthwhile product.  I recently purchased a new Bushnell Legend Ultra HD made in China (4.5-14X44) and must say it really has excellent glass and build quality and is underpriced at its current cost in regard to its competition.  I am tired of the Chinese bashers (this is not to say I am advocating Chinese) but just because it is Chinese does not mean that it is bad any longer.  I also picked up another Chinese scope within the past week----An Osprey 10-40X50 signature series and am completely shocked at the glass and build quality-----this thing is crystal clear at 40X with sufficient brightness and eye relief.  I am sure there is a considerable amount of Chinese junk out there but I must say both the Osprey and the Pentax Gameseeker 30 are both outstanding regardless of their bargain cost.  I am sure this will cause a lot of bashing but I know what I bought and it is what it is------two quite good scopes.  My only other forray into Chinese was when I bought my first scope a Wally World CenterPoint which got milky 16X but to its credit did hold zero.  OK, enough rambling on my part and back to Pentax vs. Nikon Prostaff (also Chinese but given a large amount of credit)????????????
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Welcome to Optics Talk.

Is your screen name Butch over at Accurate Reloading Forum's? 

  
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Hello cheaptrick,

Are you the new moderator?  I only recently became aware of the opticstalk forum after reading a number of older entries while researching riflescopes.  I am a self-taught scope afficionado and love specs and manufacturing processes as they relate to scopes.  Obviously, there has been a quantum leap in manufacturing quality since this particular thread was written and I would like to revisit this thread in particular as Pentax Gameseeker vs. Nikon Prostaff and in the broader sense of what has been historically categorized as lower end scopes and how they fare.  You know, the usual cast of characters including Tasco, BSA, Barska, Mueller, Swift, NcStar, and a host of others which I could name.  Moreover, even some of the mid to upper grade scopes offer value lines like the Gameseeker, Prostaff, Crossfire, Kaspa Timberline, and on and on.   Obviously, the old adage that you get what what you pay for does "not necessarily" hold true anymore.  In some instances, you may actually get more than what you pay for.  Or, you may be ripped off blind!  But, off your question-----negatory, I am not the "Butch" you reference from Accurate Reloading Forum's whatever that is! 
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Originally posted by Butch Butch wrote:

Hello cheaptrick,

Are you the new moderator?


Welcome to OT, Butch!

We have 10 moderators. Koshkin is still one of them, as is Cheaptrick.

The list of moderators can be found here...
http://www.opticstalk.com/the-ot-moderators_topic12963.html
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