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coyote95
Optics Master Joined: January/24/2009 Location: michigan Status: Offline Points: 1196 |
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the Caesar Guerini are another Italian double I really like. I’ve always said that the Berretta 686 has allowed me to have a entry level Italian. Maybe someday I will have one with fancy wood and gold inlays
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RifleDude
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Andrew, have you decided on a shotgun yet?
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Ted
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helo18
Optics Jedi Knight Joined: December/02/2006 Location: Montana Status: Offline Points: 5620 |
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I have not. Still wanting to get my hands on a Browning Micro in person to see how it feels. I've heard they come with stock spacers to increase the lop from 13".
The CZ Quail in 20 felt absolutely amazing but would like to feel something with the same lop in 12 gauge.
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Tip69
Optics Master Extraordinaire Tip Stick Joined: September/27/2005 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 4155 |
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I came late.... but have lots to say... I sure wish I was a better writer! Personally, the only all around gun I own is a 30-06, and I will never get rid of it. When it comes to shotgun hunting, my go to is a semi-auto. I have 3 Browning Gold's at the moment. 1 wood 3" version in 12 ga with 26" barrel. its the Bomb on pheasants, quail, Sharptails/Chickens and chukars. 2 syntethics in 3.5" with 28" barrels (wish 1 was 26") and they are great for waterfowl. I also had a Gold in 20 ga. but my oldest son has that now. I plan to trade back for it when I get a little older. For trap, I shoot the wood Gold at the 16' line and handicap. I have different choke tubes for trap. For doubles, I have a Browning Citori 12 ga with 30" barrels. its heavy, but even with the fine recoil pad I had added, recoil becomes an issue after a few boxes(which is why I shoot the semi-auto Gold) The Citori has an add-on recoil pad that is adjustable and also adds length. At first I didn't think I could shoot with the added length, but in trap you mount the gun and then call for the target, so the length doesn't impair shouldering it.
I will tell you this, O/Us suck in a pit blind! Not sure what kind of waterfowl hunting you'll end up doing, but I wouldn't recommend an O/U. if money wasn't an issue for me, I'd own a Browning Superposed in 20ga. A local retailer has a very nice one right now, but its $2700. I need to buy my GF a ring before I put down that much on a shotgun. You're welcome to it if you decide its worth your $$. I would also love to have a 20 SxS. Ithica made some nice ones... New Improved Doubles I think they were called. Winchester and Browning also did, but I favor the narrow pistol grip stocks like the European models. I wrote all this because I wouldn't recommend 1 shotgun to do all the things you intend to do. I wouldn't use a 20 ga on Ducks or Geese. Maybe I'm not a good enough shot anymore, but with steel, 12 ga is the min. back in the 90s, I was fortunate enough to live in prime pheasant country in NE Nebraska. we had lots of CRP and lots of Pheasants. I shot my first true triple (3 birds got up, 3 shots later, all were on the ground) with a Remington 870 with 30" barrel and mod choke. My second triple was with the Gold. Semi's suck a lot of the recoil out of equation and they help with easier follow-up shots! Not sure what your true budget is, you mentioned you didn't want to spend $5,000. well you can easily get the Superposed I mentioned above ( I think you would like the fit and feel as its a smaller frame than the 12) and also find a nice Gold in 12ga. Depending on local smiths, You shouldn't have a problem getting either to fit you either. Of course, you might be able to find a 20 Superposed for less than the one I mentioned, you just have to look around.
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take em!
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RifleDude
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The Tipster has a good point. Trying to do it all with one shotgun results in a compromised choice for everything. Throwing waterfowl in the mix really calls for a 12 ga. But, I personally think it’s more enjoyable to hunt upland birds with a light, lively 20.
So, if I were you, I’d decide which type of bird hunting you were most interested in and get the best tool for that job first. If you’re more interested in upland bird hunting, I’d get a nice 20 ga double (either O/U or S/S) first. Then later get a 3.5” chamber 12 SA for waterfowl and turkeys. I agree for waterfowl and turkeys, I too prefer a semiauto. For upland birds, I’m kinda drawn to the nostalgia and classic elegance of a fine double. But to each his own. I’m way more into rifles and pistols than shotguns and I really don’t do a lot of shotgunning compared to the amount of shooting I do with every other type of firearm.
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Ted
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tahqua
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.........or get a set of matched SxS set in 12 and 28 gauge.
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Doug
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Dogger
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Which do you prefer Doug, Holland & Holland or Purdey?
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tahqua
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I'll take a Boss over either................in my dreams. Of those two Purdey based only on the name. H&H means rifle to me.
Edited by tahqua - March/05/2020 at 03:39 |
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Doug
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Dogger
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Great choice, although probably have to sell my house to afford any of them!
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God save the Empire!
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helo18
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Well, I am on hold for the moment. Got laid off and have to conserve funds for now.
Think since I don't plan on any duck or goose hunting I'll go for a 20 ga. They have felt the best so far on the over unders I have handled. Till I get work I'll just stick to my youth single shot 20. Pheasant doesn't open till fall anyway.
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Peddler
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I have a 20/28 gauge SxS Dickinson Arms set. Plantation model.
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RifleDude
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Oh man, Andrew...I'm so sorry to hear this brother!
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Ted
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RifleDude
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Dickinson shotguns are extremely nice for the money! They are made by Akus, one of the better Turkish gun mfgs. Their quality looks good to me, and they are capable of making some extremely fine shotguns comparable to at least the mid- to upper-tier Spanish stuff (AyA, Arietta, Grulla, etc) with their custom shop guns. They were the OEM for several domestic brands' doubles -- SKB, S&W, Kimber, etc. I'm pretty sure the SKB 200 is the same shotgun as the Dickinson Estate except with Prince of Wales style stock and beavertail forend instead of the Dickinson English style stock/splinter forend. I've been very tempted by a Plantation or Estate model SxS on multiple occasions.
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Ted
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Tip69
Optics Master Extraordinaire Tip Stick Joined: September/27/2005 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 4155 |
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sorry to hear that... hope something comes up soon!
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take em!
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BeltFed
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KCR had a Akus 12Ga. SXS that fit me very well. I was saving up to buy it until the Ruger Red Labels came in. Both shotguns fit me, and it took a couple of weeks to make up my mind. I finally went with the Ruger because of the safety, and the ejectors. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have gone wrong with either choice. Sorry about the lay off Andrew. Hopefully oil will get back to normal soon.
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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.
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tahqua
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Correct on the SKB 200. Mine is a 28 gauge. Note, the SKB 200 is being changed from thin walled chokes to a Mobil Choke type and will now have the swaged barrel ends that flair slightly for the thicker choke. They are also adding a barrel selector.
My friend has a Dickinson Estate in 28 gauge and it is quite nice. I am considering one in 12 gauge now. I am also looking at Fausti and Ugartechea. Nice pair of doubles Skip! BTW, Akus made the S&W, Weatherby and Kimber double guns, as stated. They are worth looking for used. Huglu are CZ as were the DeHaan. Edited by tahqua - March/17/2020 at 08:47 |
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Doug
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tahqua
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Pacific Arms carry a nice selection of doubles and I have been visiting them as their East store is nearby. They have a bespoke line of Dickinsons that are nice but they don't match the grade of a Grulla in any shape or form from what I have seen.
I have looked at A and A forever and they are nice and the lesser grades can be found for a fair price. Fieldsport here in Traverse City is well known and have a nice selection of AyA. |
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Doug
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Sparky
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Sorry to hear that.
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Peddler
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Doug, I misspoke the other day I got my buddy the Plantation combo 20/28 gauge two barrel set and I got the Estate combo 20/28 gauge two barrel set.
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tahqua
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Sorry for the job news, Andrew. You can reserve this for when you are up and going again
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Doug
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