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what power of the conquest would you recommend, with the 50mm OBJ?
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For your elk gun?
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yeah, my wife said i can buy whatever I want, both rifle and scope, and I'm trying to figure out what would work great to 800 MAX, but be amazing 300-500. Im thinking again about the sendero, the T3, or the XCR II in 7mm RM, and want the best glass for $800-1000.
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Zeiss 6.5-20x50 Conquest   You can always turn it down if you need to and the bottom end of 6.5 should be fine. 
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Now is that jsut the reply for the conquest, or the best glass for under a grand? You know my style will be hunting until i get better at long distance shooting, so the scope should be just that for now.
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I suggest 2.5-10x.  You will appreciate the lower end for closer in targets and 10x is more than sufficient for 800 yards.  6.5x on the low end, I think you will find limiting for a hunting scope.  Certainly adequate for short range shooting, but much more difficult and requiring a lot of time in the field gaining quick acquisition experience.  You can easily never get "on" an animal at 50 yards or under with 6x.  If you practice a lot before you go hunting, you should be OK, but many people never practice.  At 100 yards with 6.5x you will be somewhere in the vicinity of 21ft FOV.  At 50, maybe 12?  Things to consider.  If you only intend to sit in a stand and never have a shot at a moving animal, probably OK, but if you ever stalk hunt, starting out with a low end of 6.5x will cause some frustration.  Once again, practice and preparedness overcomes much...
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Target acquisition is something that'll be relatively easy for me, doing alot of target acq in the military, but that was with a 4X trijicon. I'll stalk about 99% of the time. i was thinking in the range of 3.5-4.5 on low end and probably 16 at most on high end. but SVT has helped me out alot with his knowledge.
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Well, have fun...
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I didn't mean for that to sound arrogant. I personally want a few different peoples ideas, but SVT just knows the most about what I'm trying to build, thats all. Anything you can teach me will better me in the future, so all opinions are to be carefully pondered over before making a purchase. I just don't want to do overkill starting out.

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Originally posted by LRSMike LRSMike wrote:

I didn't mean for that to sound arrogant. I personally want a few different peoples ideas, but SVT just knows the most about what I'm trying to build, thats all. Anything you can teach me will better me in the future, so all opinions are to be carefully pondered over before making a purchase. I just don't want to do overkill starting out.


No implication of anything in my comment... Just saying have fun with whatever you put together.  You'll figure it out and it should be FUN in the process...
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Haha, im slightly stoopid...

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You are just like the rest of us... searching for the perfect solution to the hunting scenario.  I don't think anyone has found it yet.  

But .458 Lott with 4x Conquest is close...
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Should just steal the Barrett I'll be shooting in a few days, and use that, lol.
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Granted you have a lot more experience with target acquisition than most of us. But I can speak from experience that it is pretty challenging to aim a scope higher than 4X on a running target in dense cover. In fact, I leave my 2.5-10 on 2.5 unless I spot something far enough away to require extra magnification. Ideally when elk hunting you'll spot an animal coming in or leaving cover but sometimes you just have to hunt during daylight by walking through their bedding areas. I know that I can't place a 6X scope on a running elk 50 yards away in timber.

On the other hand, I've found that 10X can seem a little small on the high end. I don't advocate shooting at game animals out past 400 yards, but have learned that target shooting out at least twice as far as that makes those shots easier. If you can wait a bit I'd really take a hard look at the Vortex PST 4-16 FFP scope.
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Originally posted by LRSMike LRSMike wrote:

Should just steal the Barrett I'll be shooting in a few days, and use that, lol.

I have a .50, her name is Elvira...
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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

Granted you have a lot more experience with target acquisition than most of us. But I can speak from experience that it is pretty challenging to aim a scope higher than 4X on a running target in dense cover. In fact, I leave my 2.5-10 on 2.5 unless I spot something far enough away to require extra magnification. Ideally when elk hunting you'll spot an animal coming in or leaving cover but sometimes you just have to hunt during daylight by walking through their bedding areas. I know that I can't place a 6X scope on a running elk 50 yards away in timber.

On the other hand, I've found that 10X can seem a little small on the high end. I don't advocate shooting at game animals out past 400 yards, but have learned that target shooting out at least twice as far as that makes those shots easier. If you can wait a bit I'd really take a hard look at the Vortex PST 4-16 FFP scope.


Agree Jon.  If it is moving, high magnification makes it difficult to follow.  Shot a deer west river this year at 330 yards with my 3-9 on 4x.  Shot hit were I wanted it too.  High mag is nice for targets, but it can frustrate you hunting.
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A 2-8x or a 3-9x is pretty much perfect for elk hunting.  I have hunting Elk every season for the last 16 years and never felt under or overscoped with my 3-9xs.
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So i should jump on that zeiss 3-9-40 for 399 then?
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Originally posted by LRSMike LRSMike wrote:

Target acquisition is something that'll be relatively easy for me, doing alot of target acq in the military, but that was with a 4X trijicon. I'll stalk about 99% of the time. i was thinking in the range of 3.5-4.5 on low end and probably 16 at most on high end. but SVT has helped me out alot with his knowledge.
 
Won't hear those two words together much!
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IF you're goind go to be target shooting as well with this gun and for hunting and going to go with a 3x9 I would go with the SS simply because of the internal adjustment and reticle. Or wait for the Vortex like they said above.  IF its stricly a hunting rig and limited target, then the Conquest should be great, not saying its not for target too.
 
What are the chances you use this gun for hunting and buy like a 308 or something for the range?  Keep that in mind. 
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I actually plan on building three over the next year or so. a hunting set-up, a target set-up, and a AR. My pistol doesnt count (Sig P229 DAK nightsights in .40)
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In all the guiding I have done for elk hunting, I have never heard anyone regret having a low powered scope.  I have had many hunters want to shoot themselves after missing that bull because they had the scope turned up too high.  I wouldn't get a scope over 12 to 16x on the high end for hunting.  16x will be high enough for 800.  I have shot out past 1200 with 16x on targets (I am not very good at those ranges but it is fun).

I will side with the guys recommending a 3-9 or 2.5-10.  Great mag range for elk.
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