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Hello, I am new to this forum and am seeking some optics advice.
 
I have a three year old DSA FAL that have never before been shot. Sat unfired for three years, now it's mine and it will have no such easy life in my hands! :)
 
It came with the DSA picatinny rail - I am told that it's the "best" mount available.
 
I am seeking some optics. This rifle's "role" is a short/medium range battle rifle - 50 yards to maybe 200 yards or so. I have a bolt gun for longer ranges and an M4gery for CQB.
 
Some requirements:
 
- I'd like some magnification, no more than 3 or 4x or so - fixed would be OK, but if fixed then no more than 3x
- Illuminated recticle
- Rugged. It needs to be able to handle years of .308 recoil. I'll do my best to not drop it and dent it ...  (see the Xotic thread)
- Eye relief. I wear glasses most of the time, and I dislike things right up near them. Plus, getting nailed in the glasses is decidedly unplesant.
- Great glass. My "other" scope is a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x44 and it's clearer and brighter than real life. I want that kind of clarity.
- Price range, well whatever it takes to get what I want - within reason. I don't want to spend extra just for a name but am willing to put down what it takes.
 
The folks at SIGForum suggested the Leupold 1.5-5x20 Mark 4 M/R - and I think I like what I see in that scope. Others siggested the various IOR offerings, being more aggressively priced - however I am concerned with their eye relief. Some suggested it was not quite as much as advertised.
 
Others suggested the ACOG - however I am concerned with what happens when the tritium runs out. 15 years, sure - for for that kind of money I'd expect a lifetime purchase unless I actually goto war or something. Also, the advertised eye relief is dangerously close to hitting my glasses in some configurations.
 
Overall, I'd say the Leupold is the front runner, but I'd love to hear some suggestions from the folks here.
 
Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.
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It certainly sounds like you should be looking at a low variable scope (as you are).  There are many offerings and the Leupold you are considering is a nice scope.

Burris has just announced that they will be making a Euro Diamond 1-4x24.  I've seen other Euro Diamond scopes and I think they are superior to VX-III.  Also in the Burris line, you should consider Burris Signature Safari 1.75-5x32.  These have a lot of eye relief and are very durable.

IOR has pretty short eye relief in their 4x24 scopes.  However, the few 1.1-4x26 scopes I've seen had eye relief as advertised.  IOR has better glass than either VX-III and Burris.

I recently had a chance to look at some Meopta Meostar 1-4x22 scopes and was very impressed.  Comparable optics to IOR.  However, I much prefer the IOR CQB reticle.  It allows very fast target acquisition as well as precision when necessary.  IOR also has a 3x25 scope with a built in mount, but I have not tried it enough to be able to recommend it.  It may also be a bit too high for a FAL.

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ACOG makes a rubber extension that fits on the end (can get it on SWFA or Brownells) , and looks like some old time ww1 sniper scope. I use one alot when using the ACOG on an Armalite in .308 since the gun comes straight back more so than the FAL it usually sits on. This gives you an automatic distance gauge when you are too close. Unless you mount the rear ocular in front of the rear sight it is difficult to get the scope low enough for good cheek weld. If you rear sight folds down so much the better. I use a leather cheek riser from brownells and with the ACOG and rubber extension looks pretty different. You can't beat the scope.
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Any thoughts on the Aimpoint Comp ML2 2X?
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I'm thinking what Dale is thinking, ACOG.  The ACOG TA11E has all you want.  3.5x35 Red chevron for .308, and it has a longer eye relief than the 4 power models.  Wouldn't worry about the Tritium going out.  Yeah it might be about 15 years but you'll probably be replacing the rifle it will sit on long before you have to replace the scope.  Believe me once you shoot through this scope you'll be glad you got it.  And they are very very rugged.

 

Here's a link. http://www.riflescopes.com/products/TA11E/trijicon_3.5x35_ac og_rifle_scope.htm

 

Not to tute my own horn but have you read the ACOG post in this forum section.  It will give you an idea of how they work if you didn't know already.  Dale also wrote some good info in there as well.



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ACOG is awesome.  If you can afford one, go for it.

 

If you can't afford an ACOG, but warm up to the idea of having tritium reticle, consider Trijicon Accupoint 1.25-4x24.  It is a very nice low range variable that occasionally pops up on the sample list for a very good price.

 

Aimpoint 2x is a nice sight, but I am a bit turned off by the fact that if your battery goes out, you end up without a reticle (although Aimpoint has VERY long running illumination).  Also, I think a 2x Aimpoint has pretty limited field of view.

 

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I carry spare batteries for the Aimpoint, and the life is indeed really long.
 
On my AR I can flip up my BUIS and use them through the Aimpoint - no such luxery with the FAL.
 
I'll read into the ACOG some more. I wish there were dealers that carried them around here so I could look through one. I can afford it, but don't want to spend money unnecessarily. They do seem to be pretty highly thought of.
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Mithran - I read the ACOG posts. Good info in there ... I'm one step closer to being a believer! 
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It's pretty much point and shoot with a hold off for wind.  Me and a few other guys were the first to get the ACOG's in our unit and many of us made 800 yard shots repeatidely with ease with our M16A4's and ACOG's.
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mmike 87 you don't want to look through or handle one- you will only wonder why other scopes have to be so heavy, long and less sturdy. Thoughts of rapid target acquistion in all light conditions will only cloud your reasoning processes. And the thoughts of never loosing a turret cover due to the thoughful cable holds-well shortness of breath may be a side-effect. And lastly don't let the fact that the mounting system has one of the best repeatable quick releases I've ever used sway you in the least.
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