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This is my first post, so hello!, but I've been creeping around here and learning for years. I picked up an LMT 308 with an extra 20" stainless barrel a few months ago, and I'm looking to pick up some quality glass. ...I'm just using a Nikon I had laying around for the time being. I've done the research, I know what's out there, but I'm looking for a little bit of fine tuned advice. Money is not REALLY an issue, I'm mostly just a fan of getting good value for what I pay for. I've pretty much narrowed it down to a Nightforce NXS. ...I also like the the SWFA 5-20 illuminated reticle, but I can't quite justify paying out for that when I could get the equivalent NF for just a few bucks more. ...if I found a good deal, I might jump on one, but otherwise, it's probably going to be an NSX. I've looked at some S&B's, etc, but spending twice the money for not-that-much-more isn't really appealing to me for this build.
My goal for this one is to build a precision rifle. ...mostly bench rest shooting at long range, but I'd like it to be ABLE to handle pretty much anything you'd want an LMT 308 for...
My real question is mostly about magnification. Yes, this is "just" a 308, but with the 20" stainless barrel, I'm really hoping to push its limits out to 1000 yards, and I'm looking for a scope that will accommodate.
Secondly, there are many different reticles for the NF, what is consensus for my intended use? ...I've read up on the newer velocity reticle, but haven't had a chance to look through it yet...
And lastly, and I know there are myriad opinions here, but is it worth paying up for one of the FFPs? ...I tend to use my scope on max-magnification anyways, so I'm not really sure it would be worth it for me to pay up. ...still, If I hear some convincing logic, I'd probably jump on it. 
Thanks for the help guys!
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I have the 16" SS
I tried the leupold mk4 3.5-10
then tried the IOR spartan 2-12 (tunnelled below 3.5 power, making the range not useful below, heavy also)
then the NF 2-10 (reticle too fine at low power)
then the SS 3-9 (seemed to flimsy)
Then I switched back to the Leupold
I might replace it with the new MK6 3-18,
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I'm not sure how the NF 2.5-10 could have too fine a reticle at low power when it's an SFP scope. But that's neither here nor there.
 
Dr. P I'd seriously consider getting the SS 5-20 or Vortex HD. If it was me, I'd get the SS 5-20 and the SS 3-9, each with a set of rings or mount. Then just switch between the two when you want to go lighter. Well, can you really lighten up an LMT? Big Smile
 
Or another option that will work well is the Premier LT. It has such great glass that the 15X high end is really enough to get out to 1000 yards. At least I've done so regularly on a bolt-action. It's more, but then you have a scope that works for closer ranges too.
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Originally posted by tsavo303 tsavo303 wrote:


then the SS 3-9 (seemed to flimsy)



Can you give more detail on what you mean by flimsy?  Just curious.  THanks
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by tsavo303 tsavo303 wrote:


then the SS 3-9 (seemed to flimsy)



Can you give more detail on what you mean by flimsy?  Just curious.  THanks
Maybe it wont hold up to hammering 10 penny nails.
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Originally posted by tsavo303 tsavo303 wrote:


then the NF 2-10 (reticle too fine at low power)
then the SS 3-9 (seemed to flimsy)


How was it too fine at one power setting but not at another, it is SFP.

And "seemed flimsy" is a strange metric.  If it broke, that's one thing, if you thought it might break, that is something very different.  I tell my kids "almost died" means not dead.

I like the SS3-9 and respect that others might not like it as much, but am curious why you would swap out of a scope because it seemed flimsy?  Mine has been rock solid, and you didn't indicate any manner of breakage.  And to swap from an SS to a Leupold Mk4, that would be the opposite of my experience with both optics.
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Welcome to the OT!

 
If money isn't an issue why not either a Zeiss Hensoldt or a S&B Police mk ll?These are about as good as it gets for long distance shooting!
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I shot SFP for my entire life because I didn't know any better, now that I have learned the benefits of the FFP I will never look back. I don't really understand the point of getting a high end scope with flawless mechanics and "mostly using it on max magnification." If that is truly the case, I would suggest looking at a fixed power scope by SWFA, S&B or USO. You can get some amazing glass and a good price in a package that you will never have to worry about breaking.
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I should have known I kick the hornets nest saying the SS3-9 didnt work for me.
It was ok, but i preferred the knobs and glass on my leupold. trying to go mil/mil as is on my other LR rifles
I tried the SS after being recommended on here.
If yours meets you needs, great. I just didnt think it was better

My NF, while SFP, reticle was too fine.  while at 10x at range, that was fine, but with quicker close range shooting, the 2.5 was not easy enough to pick up for its intended use as a rifle for all ranges as the 16" LMT is.  In fairness, I think it was a lemon.




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The LMT issued to New Zealand troops have the 4.5-14 leupold with 45 angled BUIS.
not really related, but thought it was cool to see that configuration in the military that I had only seen in 3 gun
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Originally posted by tsavo303 tsavo303 wrote:

I should have known I kick the hornets nest saying the SS3-9 didnt work for me.
It was ok, but i preferred the knobs and glass on my leupold. trying to go mil/mil as is on my other LR rifles
I tried the SS after being recommended on here.
If yours meets you needs, great. I just didnt think it was better

My NF, while SFP, reticle was too fine.  while at 10x at range, that was fine, but with quicker close range shooting, the 2.5 was not easy enough to pick up for its intended use as a rifle for all ranges as the 16" LMT is.  In fairness, I think it was a lemon.






You preferred the glass on your Leupold over a SS, that is a first. But if it meets your needs.

And a NF is a lemon? Never heard that before either. Which reticle were you using?
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used nightforce np-r2.  Maybe there was a better choice. prev owner had sent back  NF said it was "within specs" 
Sorry I should not have shared my experiences with you guys.
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One of the things I dont like about a lot of scopes on AR based rifles it that the rifle is already bulky and when you add a scope with really large tactical knobs that makes it larger and more bulky. If money was no object I am sure the U.S. Optics scope  with EREK knob is the way I would go.
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Originally posted by tsavo303 tsavo303 wrote:

used nightforce np-r2.  Maybe there was a better choice. prev owner had sent back  NF said it was "within specs" 
Sorry I should not have shared my experiences with you guys.

Sharing experiences is how we all learn, so I doubt experience is anything someone will hold against you. The problem is with the information you are giving with your "experience." You say that your NF reticle was too fine at lower power, but it is a SFP reticle meaning that the reticle is the same size throughout the magnification range. 
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Originally posted by tsavo303 tsavo303 wrote:

used nightforce np-r2.  Maybe there was a better choice. prev owner had sent back  NF said it was "within specs" 
Sorry I should not have shared my experiences with you guys.


I think that there is a better reticle choice than the NP-R1 for close quarters shots. But I like it for distance.

What was the issue the previous owner had with the NF?

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A few comments: I have a couple of SS 3-9x42 scopes and flimsy is not the thought that somes to mind when I use them.  They feel pretty sturdy to me.

On the original question:  you can need to decide whether you want FFP or SFP reticle.  Personally, I would take the SS 5-20x50 and Razor 5-20x50 over any NXS I have seen to date.

ILya
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We don't really care that you don't like a scope or not.  We are just curious as to what flimsy means.  I would honestly like to know.  I have never had a scope I would classify as flimsy, so please explain what you meant by that. 

No need to pick up your toys and go home.  We are just curious about what you actually meant.
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