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I just purchased an MSAR STG-556, and it is coming with the Picatinny rail instead of the factory scope because the Microtech 1.5x scope is awful.

I was considering my options for sights, obviously an AUG style bullpup has certain limitations in the iron sights department- not an option at all.

I wanted something light, dependable and robust. The rifle weighs only 7.2 lb, I do not want to slap another 2 lb on top, you know what I mean? It does not need to be magnified, intended usage would be for short and medium (300 yards) SHTF purposes.

I don't want another Eotech 512, I already have 2 and I can't believe they have yet to be sued on their battery life claims. I am replacing batteries at least once a year and I go to the range and use the things maybe 10x between them.

So I was thinking either an Aimpoint of some flavor or a Trijicon Reflex. Not looking for a quick detach mount either, I would mount it, torque the bolts using Locktite and leave it on the rifle.

But I am open to suggestions.

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One of the ACOG 1.5x scopes would fit your requirement perfectly.  http://www.swfa.com/c-226-trijicon-compact-acog-rifle-scopes.aspx 

I don't like the reflex as it looks like you are looking through a tinted window.  They darken the image a lot.
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What is the primary purpose of the weapon?

Under the right circumstances, I could suggest Aimpoint, Trijicon Reflex, Trijicon Accupoint, Trijicon ACOG, or a rail-mounted  laser, but circumstances dictate which would be good and which would not.
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The rifle will be set up for CQB. The MSAR is not a precision rifle, in fact I would venture to say my FAL carbine is far more accurate. And is in fact my "to-to" gun. The MSAR would be my idea of a perfect truck gun though due to its compactness.


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In that case, I'd recommend you set it up with an Aimpoint M3 mounted in a LaRue LT129.

My probem with Trijicon reflex is that they experience bad washout - like when you illuminate a target at night with your flashlight, the triangle has a habit of disappearing - and that sucks.  If always shooting from bright light into bright light or from darkness into darkess, it is a great optic.  If not, it can be hazardous to your health.

If it is for CQB, you will probably eventually mount a flashlight on it, and the reticle will wash out, badly. 

The Accupoint is an option, but it is not as easy to get behind as the Aimpoint. And the reticle washout will happen with this one too.

For CQB, get an Aimpoint M3 and a good weapon-mounted light (the brigher the better.)  Either 4MOA dot or 2 MOA dot will work fine, 2MOA will make shooting at 300-yard gongs a little more satisfying, but either will work.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:


For CQB, get an Aimpoint M3 and a good weapon-mounted light (the brigher the better.)  Either 4MOA dot or 2 MOA dot will work fine, 2MOA will make shooting at 300-yard gongs a little more satisfying, but either will work.
 
Good call!  Thunbs Up
I would also recommend the Aimpoint Micro Dot as well.  
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What are the differences between the M2 and the M3 series apart from size/shape? (I figured out the difference between M and ML on my own)


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Originally posted by madkiwi madkiwi wrote:

What are the differences between the M2 and the M3 series apart from size/shape? (I figured out the difference between M and ML on my own)

 
The M3 I believe has a little better battery life than the M2 and a rubber protective cover. M3 uses ACET technology, versus the M2's CET, but I'll be damned if I can tell the difference....Bucky
   
I think the ML2 or the ML3 are the way for a civilian to go, if night vision capability isn't needed.
 
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Originally posted by Voodoo6 Voodoo6 wrote:

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OK, now I am more confused.

What are the differences between the M and C series?
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The "M" series are supposed to be more rugged than the "C". The Comp C in the link will work fine for you.  
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I've tried a number of optics on my STG's (Aimpoint ML3, M4, M4S, Micro T-1, Trijicon RX30, Eotech 512) and like you want a CQB setup. All the Aimpoints are excellent optics, very rugged w/insane battery life and the RX30 is, IMHO, the best KISS optic currently available (huge FOV through the 42mm objective, no batteries/switches/electronics to worry about, very bright tritium and more efficient fiber optics so reticle washout is much more difficult to achieve.
However, I ended up sticking w/the Eotech. Why? Because I'm significantly faster with it than the Aimpoints or RX30 (YMMV) and I find the circle-dot reticle faster to acquire when shooting from unconventional positions. This was especially evident during a recent 2-day carbine class. 
However, if you really want to keep the weight down then go w/an Aimpoint Micro. Not only is it the smallest & lightest but it will leave room on the rail for BUIS if you want them.
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STG-556 w/Eotech 512:
 
STG w/Eotech during class:
STG's & Eotechs after 2 days of abuse:


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I have an ACOG TA33R8 on my AUG A3.  It is mounted with an ARMS #19 Throw Lever  Mount.  The supplied mount is too high.  I too would have preferred the non-QR mount, but now that I have the QR version I see how it will be quite handy for cleaning.  It is rock solid, regardless.  I am quite happy with the set-up.  This ACOG is 3X with the amber chevron.  Here is what it looks like (ignore the mall ninja in the photo :-)).
 
 
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