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I have recently bought a sako trg-42 in .338 lapua magnum and i cant decide on the scope i should buy for it. i have the money for a premeir heritage 5-25 x56 mm tactical but i dont know what base i should buy for it. i like the picatinny rail system but im not sure. if there is a better optic base system for this weapon.

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I take it your version doesn't have the integral rail. You could consider something like a Near Alpha mount for the TRG-42. However, that won't allow mounting of any accessories, such as a angle indicator or level (although there are some that mount on the scope). I've used Seekins with great results. There are other picatinny rail/ring brands too that will work well. Just don't go with a dual-base mount. Alignment can be a problem with those.
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no it doesnt have the rail. although a buddy of mine said you could buy the rail and put it on. but i looked and i couldnt find anything except the accesory rail for like pvs night scopes but thats not the right scope im trying to put on it. i am keen on the MIL dot reticle, love the ability for the hold offs n range estimation.
 
what other scope would you recommend besides a heritage? i keep hearing they are over priced and you could get say a nf and have same quality. im browsing around on internet but im not sure whats bs about some of the stuff im reading.
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The SS 5-20x would be a fantastic scope for your 338.

It will be 90%+ of the Premier for half the cost.  http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-5-20x50-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P50662.aspx
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that is an interesting scope. im going to look more into that one. thanks you
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There are a some big reviews of it on Snipers Hide.  You can probably find a few here as well.  I have one and all in all it is the nicest scope I have ever used, period.  
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Considering what you've owned, that is high praise.  Big Smile
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Premier makes a great scope but not everybody needs one...or even the Heritage. I know you mentioned 5-25 but you might also consider their 3-15 LT model, which is considerably less than the Heritages. I really like my NF 2.5-10X32 but I'd also recommend the SS 5-20 over anything NF has out currently. Mine just came a couple weeks ago and it is one awesome scope. With my Premier Heritage 3-15, while it has some great features, I don't need every one of them and paying that much can make you worry about babying the scope when you should be focused on other things.

USO and S&B are other worthwhile additions to a rifle like that. I'd look at the 3.2-17 in USO or the S&B 3-20 (if available).
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It sounds like you are asking two questions.  What scope and what rail/mount?

Sako makes an awesome 3 ring mount that eliminates the need for a separate base.  I have it on my TRG-22 and it is very sturdy and is supposed to maintain zero if removed and remounted.  It also comes with inserts that minimize the risk of damaging your scope.  It comes with 30 moa angle.  It is somewhat expensive, $450 or about 70 rounds of factory .338 lapua ammunition!. For a quality base and rings you will get pretty close to that number.  Can sometimes be found used for quite a bit cheaper. This is what I would and did get.

Spuhr also makes a nice mount that eliminates the need for a separate rail.  It also allows mounting a red dot if that is something your interested in doing, about the same price.

Many people seem to like the Near base and Alpha mount.  Sako and other manufacturers also sell picatinny rails and then you can use whatever rings you like.

What scope is much more difficult to answer.  What is your intended purpose hunting or target?  FFP or SFP reticle?  How much are you wanting to spend.  Like all things, you get what you pay for in optics.  I assume you are wanting to shoot at long range if you bought a 338 lapua.  A durable scope with quality internals and reliable tracking is the most important feature.  After that you pay for quality of optics, features, and reticle.  I would get a Schmidt and Bender 5-25x56 with your reticle of choice if money is not a concern.  If you plan on doing some hunting, I would probably get a Hensoldt 4-16x56 with a NH1 reticle.  I have this scope on my .260 Remington TRG-22 and it is very nice!  In fact if your shooting is primarily going to be 1500 yards and less, the Hensoldt 4-16 would probably be my top choice.  Very easy scope to get behind.  No zero stop if that matters to you. Longer than 1500 yards and the S&B 5-25 shines as far as mag and available elevation.

If you want to spend less, then Nightforce certainly makes some nice scopes.  Leupold makes some in the 1500-2000 dollar price range that are FFP.  The Super Sniper 5-20 certainly looks good for the money and initial feedback is very good.  That particular scope is new, however, so somewhat unproven. SWFA has great customer service/reputation if there is a problem.  I have one of their SS10x42 scopes on another rifle and it is great for the money.  I have never had a problem with it.  I may get the SS 1-4 for an AR rifle, as it also is supposed to be an excellent value.

If you plan on shooting at extremely long range, like 2000 Yards, then you need to carefully look at available elevation, research how much moa for the rail to get you there, especially if you want a 100 yard zero.  

Good luck and nice choice on the rifle!  
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Here is a video I put together of my TRG-22 with the Sako 3 ring mount and a Hensoldt 4-16x56 with the NH1 reticle.  It also has some shooting at 550 and 960 yards that shows good bullet trace.  I would love to video the bullet trace and impact of the .338 lapua!

http://vimeo.com/24227428


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Oops!  Doesn't automatically hyperlink.  Maybe this will help.

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Nice video, ToKeepAndBear.  Welcome to the OT.
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I  like the Heinsold 4-16x56 you have on there. Nice
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Nice video, ToKeepAndBear.  Welcome to the OT.


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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I  like the Heinsold 4-16x56 you have on there. Nice
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Nice video, ToKeepAndBear.  Welcome to the OT.

Thanks for the comments.  I am glad you liked the video and scope.  I hope you get the chance to check out a Hensoldt some time in person.  Some scopes at higher magnification are distracting to my shooting experience due to difficulties of acquiring and maintaining a sight picture.  Because of this I end up shooting at lower power with some other scopes.  The Hensoldt just disappears and lets me forget about the scope and enjoy the shooting, even at 16 power.  The image is also really nice!
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Have a 22 and 42 trg and you should consider Sakos extended clamp on rail. it also gives about 1/2 in increase in ht, and  is extended on one end, which allows more latitude inmounting  the scope back of the bolt toward the shooter. I use this with a set of american rifle rings, a better set up than the sako three ring. There is also an after marker adjustable cheek riser that fits under neath the cheek rest, that works very well. I think atlas has finally released there adaptor for using their bipods on sako, you might want to check into.
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Originally posted by ToKeepAndBear ToKeepAndBear wrote:

Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I  like the Heinsold 4-16x56 you have on there. Nice
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Nice video, ToKeepAndBear.  Welcome to the OT.

Thanks for the comments.  I am glad you liked the video and scope.  I hope you get the chance to check out a Hensoldt some time in person.  Some scopes at higher magnification are distracting to my shooting experience due to difficulties of acquiring and maintaining a sight picture.  Because of this I end up shooting at lower power with some other scopes.  The Hensoldt just disappears and lets me forget about the scope and enjoy the shooting, even at 16 power.  The image is also really nice!
I have the ZF6-24x72 Hensoldt on my custom .338 Lapua.  Love it. 
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Don't take this wrong, must be nice to buy a scope that most people spend on their cars!  Lol  nice video, I like your set up for sure. Don't know anything about scopes or rifles, but I know what I like when I see it  Big Smile
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That backdrop, obscured by tall trees and bushes would make me feel uneasy?
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I will not buy nor recommend a Premier to anyone after the treated another vendor that has promoted them heavily for years. You can find threads about it on Snipers Hide. Why anyone would spend money with a company that is run like that is beyond me.

That being said, you can get a S&B for a similar price, from a company that doesn't pull that crap, and makes what many people think is a better scope anyway. That's the way I'd go if I was going to drop that kind of money.

The new SS 5-20 though is getting rave reviews, and I think I'd rather save the money and get one of them that from what I've read, aren't find behind many of the scopes in the 3k price range, and they are only $1500. I've not had the chance to get one yet, and I really regret not getting in on the group buy, but from what I've seen from everyone else that has one, these seem to be amazing scopes.
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Originally posted by slowr1der slowr1der wrote:

I will not buy nor recommend a Premier to anyone after the treated another vendor that has promoted them heavily for years. You can find threads about it on Snipers Hide. Why anyone would spend money with a company that is run like that is beyond me.

That being said, you can get a S&B for a similar price, from a company that doesn't pull that crap, and makes what many people think is a better scope anyway. That's the way I'd go if I was going to drop that kind of money.

The new SS 5-20 though is getting rave reviews, and I think I'd rather save the money and get one of them that from what I've read, aren't find behind many of the scopes in the 3k price range, and they are only $1500. I've not had the chance to get one yet, and I really regret not getting in on the group buy, but from what I've seen from everyone else that has one, these seem to be amazing scopes.
i disagree with that sentiment entirely...... all parties involved were at faught there and the vendor got caught and then tried to publicly smear Premier for his wrongdoings.  As long as you buy from a reputable dealer (SWFA) your good with premier.  
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Originally posted by vgmhunor vgmhunor wrote:

That backdrop, obscured by tall trees and bushes would make me feel uneasy?

The shooting in the video is at the back of 4000 acres of private land with a locked entrance gate.  I also put up signs on each side of the target entrance stating, "LIVE GUN FIRE STAY OUT!".  Both targets have a hillside and trees behind them as a backdrop.

Got out there shooting yesterday, saw 10 turkeys and a bunch of cottontails.  My buddy whistled at me when we were positioning targets and roughly 10 coyotes started yipping and howling about 100 yards from us in the woods! Thought for sure I was going to see a bear as there were blackberries everywhere! Probably there, just hard to see them in the dense forest.  

We had a great day shooting for mid-July as it was cloudy all day with a high of 70 degrees and winds of 5-10mph.  
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by slowr1der slowr1der wrote:

I will not buy nor recommend a Premier to anyone after the treated another vendor that has promoted them heavily for years. You can find threads about it on Snipers Hide. Why anyone would spend money with a company that is run like that is beyond me.

That being said, you can get a S&B for a similar price, from a company that doesn't pull that crap, and makes what many people think is a better scope anyway. That's the way I'd go if I was going to drop that kind of money.

The new SS 5-20 though is getting rave reviews, and I think I'd rather save the money and get one of them that from what I've read, aren't find behind many of the scopes in the 3k price range, and they are only $1500. I've not had the chance to get one yet, and I really regret not getting in on the group buy, but from what I've seen from everyone else that has one, these seem to be amazing scopes.
i disagree with that sentiment entirely...... all parties involved were at faught there and the vendor got caught and then tried to publicly smear Premier for his wrongdoings.  As long as you buy from a reputable dealer (SWFA) your good with premier.  
No the vendor was not in the wrong. He never advertised it below the "Minimum Advertised Price" that Premier set. With a MAP, vendors can sell it for whatever they'd like, they just can't advertise it below that price, which he never did. Therefore, I don't see how he was in the wrong. Not to mention all that particular vendor has done for Premier when no one else would. While I can't post what the retailer is, since it's a competitor of the owners of this forum, he is definitely a very reputable dealer that seems to want to bend over backwards for anyone and everyone. Seems like to me, the statement would be better put, "as long as you do everything Premier would like you to, and don't ever bend over for your customers or try to help them out, then you will be good with Premier."

I'd suggest anyone considering a Premier scope read up on it before making a purchase. It may not bother you what they did, but it bothers me and a heck of a lot of other people, and there is no way I'd do business with a company that operates like that.


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Give me a break.  Scott got caught once again breaking the rules of the contract he agreed too.  That was not the first time or even the first company that got after scott for doing that.  
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