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I'm in the market for a scope for my HK91. Although I feel fairly confident in my pursuit of rifles and handguns, I have no clue about the quality and or craftmanship of scopes.

Right now I'm looking at a Sightron SIII in 6x24x50. It has the mil-dot recticle and a 30mm tube. My factory HK claw mount has 30mm rings so I must have a 30mm scope tube. I do not wish to use inserts for the use of a 1 inch scope at this time.

I've also looked at a Leupold Mark 4 LR/T in 6.5x20x50 with the mil-dot recticle and 30mm tube. Between the two there is a significant price difference. Is the Leupold worth the extra cash? Is there another brand I should be looking at? I want the best value for the dollar of course, and if it takes $1250 to get a great scope then so be it. But if I can get the same thing for $750, I can buy more ammo.

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I have a Bushnell 4200 Tactical in 6-24X, 50mm, 30mm tube; similar specs to that scope on my Savage LRPV in .204 Ruger and I love it. I am a Leupold fan, but I wouldn't, in this case, pay the extra for a Leupold; the Bushnell is that good.
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The Sightron has been getting good reviews lately and the leup is being challenged by several competitors lately in glass quality and build, so it is priced high for what you get. You can get very good optics in the 700+/- cost range but for the best glass/coatings you can expect to spend double or triple as you probably expect. The Sightron, Bushnell 4200, Conquest, and some others that may be suggested here are all good for what you may need and the 30mm tube is a plus anyway. You will get more adjustment if needed and why not keep everything on the same trend you have in place. Let us know how things go and welcome to the OT, It's a great place to get info and find what you want. Good Luck!
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without considering the cost i would say the Sightron is flat out a better scope. Leupolds are way over-priced for what you get. when looking at the cost, it's a no brainer. other than a 300 dollar Super Sniper, Sightron scopes are probably the best value in rifle scopes.
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Thanks for the opinions and suggestions. I realize after doing some searching that one can spend whatever he wishes to on a scope. My problem is I'm not that savvy on any of them other than say Leupold.
 
It's difficult where I live to look thru several different models other Leupold or possibly a Bushnell, and most are of the 3x9 variety.
 
I hope I didn't come off sounding like a snob with regards to the outlay for a quality scope. I would pay whatever it takes to get a great quality scope...although I was hoping to spend no more than $1200 give or take. But again, I am asking for recommendations, and if there is something out there that is just as good in all areas that I can get for less, by all means let me know.
 
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if you would tell us your intended purpose for the gun, recomendations could be more accurate. intended game, distances, type of hunting or shooting disipline you plan to do with the gun.
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Well, to answer your questions, the intended purpose would be to become more accurate with the rifle. As stated earlier, it is a HK-91 in .308, with a factory claw mount which has 30mm rings. Locally I have a range that I want to shoot at that goes out to 600 yards, although in the future, if I can, I would like to go to other ranges and test my ability out to ranges of 800 yards or more if feasable.
 
I do not see myself hunting game with this particular rifle, only seeing how accurate I can be . At one time I had a Remington Model 700 with a heavy barrel in .308 and had a 4.5x14 Leupold Mark4 on it. I really like that set up, but traded the whole works when I got into some old Colts. Now I'm back to the rifles but have pooled my resources into the Military type rifles and want to pursue that area.
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I'd go with the SIII.  The glass is probably a little better than the Mk 4.  As for adjustments, the Sightron has been just as repeatable for me as the Leupy.  Unless you just have a hankerin' for a particular turret design on the Mk 4, then save yourself some loot and go treat yourself to a whole bunch of ammo.
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Can't speak on the glass, but the Sightron adjustment system has repeated well for me on my SIIs.  I have 3 of them.
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The newer SIII design have better optics and internal adjustments and are regarded as the best optics coming from Japan today.The SIII is brighter than the Leupold and is cheaper,many sniper/tactical operators are going to the new Sightron SIII over the Super Sniper and Leupold.
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The fact that is is a semi auto tends to make me think that you might be better off with a lower power range than has been discussed so I would carefully
the power range.
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the reticles come in red amber and green as well as some mildot options but watch the video to understand the benefit of the illuminated triangle


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Originally posted by hunter12345 hunter12345 wrote:

...many sniper/tactical operators are going to the new Sightron SIII over the Super Sniper and Leupold.
 
Sorry I dont think that is correct.  I havent seen any of the tactical teams on our range using one. It's a great scope but it is designed as a hunting scope.  IOR makes nice tacticals. S&B makes nice Tacticals.  The SS is the poor mans solution and really is awesome for the money definately worth consideration. The Leupold Mk4's are heavily in use by most military and law enforcement snipers. I have two Mk4's both more expensive than the sightron SIII but I wouldnt trade them for a SIII.  The SIII 3.5-10x44 mildot just came out and snipers dont typically use the high power scopes that target shooters tend to. Most sniper scopes in use are 3.5-10 range and a few 4.5-14 range very few guys are comfortable with a 6x or higher optic for the low end  as most police sniper work it in the 60 to 75 yd range and at that distance a 2.5x looks better than a 3.5x to get on target faster.  These are a good choice.
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One of the reasons I would stay with the lower powers is that semi auto guns tend not to be extremely accurate more like a 2inch group at 100 is good, 4 inch at 100 is average and it gets disappointing from there.  These guns are minute of man combat guns and should hit a man size target out past 600 but you wont be enjoying the group size unless it is the

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I've heard great things about the S3 but can't say that I've seen any tac guys with them mounted.  I shoot with a few BorTac guys as well as local law enforcement and keep in touch with guys in local and federal, and no one is shooting S3 that I know.


I'd give serious consideration to an IOR. the 2.5-10 would be great on that gun.  And if you want to go up a slight bit in $$, Nightforce would be a great fit.

A 10X supersniper would also work well, for allot less money.


I am not a huge fan of Leupold so I cannot recommend them, but consider IOR, Nightforce, and maybe Trijicon - needs-depending.

Conquest with 1"-30mm ring adapters would work too.


What do you "want" and what do you "need"?
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Just as a general comment: most S3 scopes are aimed at tactical.competitive shooters, more so than hunters. 

Wes, 3.5-10x44 with MilDot has been a part of the S3 line-up for as long as S3 existed.  The new version is the best one yet.

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ILya, not disagreeing with you, just haven't seen any on LE guns or heard anything about Sightron in the sand box.
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I wish to thank all of you that have responded. Originally, I thought I needed something that got up into the 20X power, but I think after reading comments here and other places that a scope in the 4.5x 14 range would be a better fit. More than anything I want to be able to see my target, and see it well.
 
At this time with this rifle, I'm not looking for a tack driver, and I do understand it's limits and it's abilities. Obviously I don't think HK made this model to be a sniper type weapon, but it shows great accuracy with open sights at 100 yards so I wanted to see how accurate I could be at say 200, 400 or even 600 yards.
 
I do like the added markings on the Leupold Mark IV, I think they are direction of elevation and such. I must also add that I like the fact that they are MOSTLY made in the USA. I assume there might be other scopes out there made in the USA, I just don't know who. I'm still looking so I continue to look for opinions and will check out the other scopes suggested here.
 
Thanks again!
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