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First, thanks to SWFA for the forum and thanks to everyone for all the knowledge here.  I have been reading as much as possible and have learned a lot so far.
 
I'm in need of some suggestions/advice.  I don't have much experience with rifle scopes other than a cheap tasco I have on a 10/22 and the Aimpoint that I have on my AR.  I have been wanting something with some decent magnification for paper punching at 100 yards and possibly longer distances (up to 500 yards or so).  I think a 4.5-14x would be a good magnification for my uses.  Right now most of my "gun fund" money is going toward items that are likely to be banned in the not so distant future, so my budget for optics is limited to $500 or so.
 
I have a flat top AR15 and an HK 91 (with a picatinny rail) that I would like to scope for paper punching.  I was hoping that I could get away with one scope for both of them (I don't mind zeroing for both).  I have run into some problems with this idea because the rifles are fairly different. 
 
Problem 1:  Ring height.  The 91 has some drop on the stock, so the rings need to be lower than on the AR to get a cheek weld.  I think I can overcome this by using a cheek piece on the 91.  The cheek piece should make it so I can use something like Warne AR15 rings for both rifles.
 
Problem 2: Scope length.  If you are familiar with a 91, you know it has a cocking handle that can get in the way of longer length scopes.  The best I can figure, if a scope is beyond 13" overall length, the cocking handle will hit the objective end of the scope when you lock the action open.  The scope will be limited to 13" max because of this (12.5" would be better).
 
The only other requirements are that I think I want a mil-dot reticle and target turrets (in case I get the opportunity to shoot longer ranges, which I'm working on).
 
Is this idea of mine workable, or should I just try to scope each rifle individually?  My backup plan is to buy 2 of something like the Bushnell 3200 10x for $180 each, but I would rather buy one decent scope and be able to use it on both rifles.  Anybody have these two rifles?
 
Thoughts, opinions, ridicule? :)
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Welcome to Optics Talk.
While what you are wanting to do isn't the what some would consider ideal. It is possible.
You will likely want to do something different once you start at this though. You will need the very best base, and quick detach rings you can get first off.
You will also want to make sure that you get a scope that is very reputable for returning to zero when dialed.
You will have to establish a zero on one rifle and make very accurate notes about how many clicks from dead left, and dead bottom to the zero for that rifle. You will also have to do a confirmation shot or two to make sure every time you remount the scope.
 
Then you will also have to do the same thing for the second rifle.
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Both Kahles and Leatherwood have multi-zero turrets which work quite well for situations where you will be "hot swapping" a scope.  Because I am a poor person with 4 daughters and a wife I had to support, I have swapped one scope between different rifles for years.  Some people really don't like it... I found it a rather pleasureable, challenging exercise.  Always fun to see how few shots you can get to to confirm zero.  
However, it is not an optimum solution in many respects.  It WILL force you to learn a lot about the rifles, scope, etc.  
Cyborg called it perfectly saying that best quality for bases and quick detach rings are an absolute necessity.  Skimping there will cause far more problems than you will want to deal with.  
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Thanks guys.  I don't mind taking a few shots to get each rifle back on zero when swapping as this scope will be used primarily for range anyway.
 
I'm really starting to lean toward buying two cheaper scopes.  For my purposes, I don't think I'm going to need top of the line optics.  If I ever need to use either rifle for self defense purposes, I have Aimpoints for them that would be much better suited for that use anyway.
 
I also got to thinking that I may use the AR for coyote hunting sometime in the future, so it might be nice to have a 3x9 on the AR and a fixed 10x or something on the HK 91 (the 91 will only see range use).
 
I know I'm throwing out all kinds of questions, but I'm really up in the air about it.  So, some more questions:
 
1) Would you buy two cheaper scopes ($200 range), one for each rifle, or one better scope and try to swap it ($500 range)? 
 
2) How do you determine if you really need target turrets?  I really hate having to bring a screwdriver or some crap to adjust my Aimpoints, so finger adjustable is a plus for me just from the aggravation standpoint.
 
3) How do you determine if you would be better served by a fine plex reticle vs. mildot?  I'm thinking out to 200 yards for .223 that the mildot would be of limited use, but if I want to go farther that the mildot would help with ranging/hold over/under.
 
Thanks again guys.  Like I said I have read a lot, but need some advice from guys who actually have some experience.  Anyone who has a scoped HK91, please chime in and let me know what you suggest for it.
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My suggestion is put a good scope on the AR and forget the HK.  If you put a scope on the HK then find a used Leupold (I'd suggest a fixed 4) or for the money see if you can find one of the German surplus Hendsolt(sp) with a mount.
 
I am not a great fan of the HK after seeing many of them on the range.  The front sight is so large that the irons do not give you much range.  Except for the issue mount ($), anything else always seems to endup being sort of a "rube goldburg" contraption.  You will find that even with the scope they are not the tack drivers that some people hype them. 
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

My suggestion is put a good scope on the AR and forget the HK.  If you put a scope on the HK then find a used Leupold (I'd suggest a fixed 4) or for the money see if you can find one of the German surplus Hendsolt(sp) with a mount.
 
I am not a great fan of the HK after seeing many of them on the range.  The front sight is so large that the irons do not give you much range.  Except for the issue mount ($), anything else always seems to endup being sort of a "rube goldburg" contraption.  You will find that even with the scope they are not the tack drivers that some people hype them. 
 
I realize that a 91 isnt a tackdriver (its a battle rifle), but I would still like to scope it for range use just to plink around.  Believe me, it has plenty of accuracy for its intended purpose.  I have thought about not scoping it for now but I really enjoy shooting both.
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I would put a decent scope on the AR for sure if you are going to scope it. The AR has a unique way of rattling scopes, so a cheapy will most likely not hold up for long.
The best would be to scope it with a decent scope and then save for a bit to scope the HK.
I would stick to lower powers on the AR 223 if yote hunting is going to be probable. Anything that is 2X or so at the low end is doable there.
Here are some suggestions, in the price range. 
This 3200 Elite may fit the bill for the HK.
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