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Hello everyone,
     Long time lurker, first time poster here.  I'd like to hear peoples advise on the following.
 
     Here's my dilema....  I'd like to buy a new scope for a rifle that I use for long range target shooting and hunting.  I'd like something that's a variable power scope that starts around either 3x or 4x and goes at least to 16x.  I'd like something that has target knobs and a mil-dot reticle. 
     Currently I'm using a nikon buckmaster 4.5-14x mildot and it's great, but at the place I shoot at I can go out as far as 1000 yards and the 14x is pretty tough to see hits & misses on steel that far away.
     That wouldn't be so hard, but I'm also on a budget and can't get into the $1k scopes. 
I've looked at the bushnell 4200 6-24 scopes and I like those, but I don't know how well they stack up for the money.  I used to have a millett trs-1 but sold it with a rifle and wish I hadn't.  I've got a bushnell 3200 10X andI love it, but the 10x is a little much for up close hunting and a little less than I'd like at the longer ranges.
     What do you think would be a good scope for me?
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That's a good one that I wasn't aware of.  I'll try to look up some reviews on it.
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If Koshkin suggest it, its good to go IMO  he is the top guy i would want to suggest a scope to me!
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Welcome to Optics Talk... Yes, I agree, the 6500 is a great all around scope. The mag range, and powers suggested make it a good all around scope.
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The Viper PST 4-16X50 would be perfect for you.  Unfortunately, you have to wait about two more months.  
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I've had a hard time finding reviews or even additional pictures of the Bushnell 6500.  So far it looks like it'd be perfect, but I still want to read some more about it.
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I'd take a Zeiss Conquest 6-20x50.....  you can choose the Z1000 Reticle for that long distance....
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If the smallest setting is 6x, it's out.  The rifle this goes on may get used for black bear hunting where shots are close.  Hunting with a scope that's lowest setting is 4.5x is pushing it. 
 
I'm starting to like that 2.5x-16x more and more, but I still struggle to find more reviews on it. 
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This thread really has my interest as I've been wanting a scope exactly like what you are describing. I want low enough magnification to take hunting yet high enough that I can get into long distance shooting. I also want the Mil Dot as well as target turrets. Plus I'm on a budget similar to yours. I've been looking closely at the Bushnell Elite 4200 6x24 and for some reason just missed out on that 6500 posted above. It looks really decent. The other one I've been eying is the Super Sniper 3x9x42. However, I really want more than 9x magnification on the top end. 
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BTW you don't want to sell your old scope do you? I don't think I need more than 14 power. 
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Originally posted by slowr1der slowr1der wrote:

This thread really has my interest as I've been wanting a scope exactly like what you are describing. I want low enough magnification to take hunting yet high enough that I can get into long distance shooting. I also want the Mil Dot as well as target turrets. Plus I'm on a budget similar to yours. I've been looking closely at the Bushnell Elite 4200 6x24 and for some reason just missed out on that 6500 posted above. It looks really decent. The other one I've been eying is the Super Sniper 3x9x42. However, I really want more than 9x magnification on the top end. 
 
 
LOL, we are definately on the same page!  I laughed because I had looked at the super sniper 3-9x and thought the same thing.  Sure it's a nice scope, but I want more than 9x as my max.  I've also looked at that 6x24 and thought that's fine until I have a 50 yard shot with a 6x without a lot of light.
 
I think I'm sold on the 6500 2.5-16x.  Now I'm trying to find the very best deal I can on one.  So far about $600 is the best deal I can find, which I just have a gut feeling I can do better.  I've even tried looking for a used one, but no such luck so far. 
 
Once I find a replacement for my current scope, I'll probably sell the one I have on the rifle now.
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2x is not going to make that much difference at seeing targets at 1000 yards.  One is going to look 71 yards away the other about 62 yards away. 

If I were you I would be looking at upping the glass quality more so than just jumping up in magnification.  Bushnell 4200/6500 glass is okay, but at higher powers like 16x it will really start to show its weakness.  Which will make it harder to see things at that distance.

I shoot to 1000 yards with my IOR and I most of the time use 10x or 12x and I can easily tell hits and misses on steel, but IOR glass quality is quite a bit better than Bushnells best.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

2x is not going to make that much difference at seeing targets at 1000 yards.  One is going to look 71 yards away the other about 62 yards away. 

If I were you I would be looking at upping the glass quality more so than just jumping up in magnification.  Bushnell 4200/6500 glass is okay, but at higher powers like 16x it will really start to show its weakness.  Which will make it harder to see things at that distance.

I shoot to 1000 yards with my IOR and I most of the time use 10x or 12x and I can easily tell hits and misses on steel, but IOR glass quality is quite a bit better than Bushnells best.

I think his budget does not really allow him to get in on much higher quality glass.  In the original post he said that he can not get into the ~$1k territory.

For about $600, I can't think of anything appreciably better than the Elite 6500.  I could probably make a pretty good case for a variable S.S., but if he wants more than 9x, then the options are limited even further.

I did a brief review of the Elite 6500 a while back:

If he wants FFP, one other option is Weaver Tactical 3-15x50:

I have only played with it very briefly, but it seemed like a decent scope.

Also, the new Elite 4200 3-12x44 with FFP reticle is a viable choice:

It really comes down to what you want.  If you want FFP reticle, I would probably just go for the Super Sniper.  The other two FFP scopes that I mention have higher magnification, but also their own weaknesses.

With SFP reticle, I do go for the Elite 6500.

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Why don't you trade it in on the 6500 with SWFA?
Great scope btw I own one and use it regularly.
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

Why don't you trade it in on the 6500 with SWFA?
Great scope btw I own one and use it regularly.
 
I'm not familiar with trading in a scope.  I didn't know the website could do that.  I just figured I'd sell my old scope on ebay when the time came.
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Got to samplelist.com and there is a form to fill out and send in. they will get back to you with a price....its a wonderful service for sure!
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Now that I've been looking at the 6500 2.5-16x I started looking at the Bushnell 4.5-30x50.  I've been making due with 4.5 on the lower power for a while now so I could just deal with it, and a max 30x would be sweet!  Any thoughts on this scope?
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The only down side to the Bushnell scopes is the amount of internal adjustment. I don't recall the amount off the top of my head, but I believe it is 50 M.O.A. Which can make a 100 yard zero and 1000 yds a challenge. But I guess it depends on what you believe long range is.
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Well, on this particular rifle I'm using the Nikon Buckmaster with 50 internal MOA and a 20 MOA base and I get out to 1000 yards with about 10 - 15 MOA to spare.  All depends on where it zeros at I guess. 
 
What if I rephrased the question and asked what's the best scope with a low end of 4.5x or less but at least 25x on the high end?  Unfortunately, I'm asking this question with the same pitiful budget in mind of $600 or less.
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Originally posted by teddy12b teddy12b wrote:

Hello everyone,
I'd like to buy a new scope for a rifle that I use for long range target shooting and hunting.  I'd like something that's a variable power scope that starts around either 3x or 4x and goes at least to 16x.  I'd like something that has target knobs and a mil-dot reticle.

I'd like to make a radical suggestion. You mentioned two different hobbies and you want one scope that does both. Personally, I'm not a fan of a mil-dot reticule and tall knobs on hunting scopes. There are better reticules for hunting and tall knobs get caught on stuff. Same goes for high magnification. Your choice is fine if target shooting is your principle hobby and you don't mind having your hunting take a back seat.

So let me suggest the possibility of two scopes. The way I'd do this is to have a MIL-STD-1913 (Picatinny) rail scope base installed on your rifle and then mount your two scopes in Larue Tactical throw-lever mounts. By all means, get your 4-16x scope like you described for target shooting, but pick up a good 3-9x hunting scope.

Larue's return-to-zero is legendary. A situation where you play at the range most of the time and then switch scopes around hunting season would be an excellent use of this kind of mount.
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"Your choice is fine if target shooting is your principle hobby and you don't mind having your hunting take a back seat. "
 
The idea behind my rifle was that it wouldn't be a hunting rifle that came out of the cabinet once or twice a year, but rather a rifle I worked with all the time and knew like the back of my hand.  I use this rifle all the time at the range but it's to build confidence and experience so that one week a year or the weekends I get to go hunting I'm using the best tool I have.  I agree that the larger knobs would get in the way, but 99% of the time this rifle is going to be at the range, and for as little as I get to hunt with it I just figured I could suck it up. 
 
I've thought about getting completely different scopes for the different purposes, but I guess I'd rather just get setup once and not have to change my whole setup.  That way I'd train the way I hunted.
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A good philosophy IMHO.
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Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

A good philosophy IMHO.
 
 
I agree that it's a good philosophy, but it sure makes it tough to find a scope that'll handle what I'm asking.
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