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Has anyone idea about how the glass in these three compares in the dark for Varmint hunting:

1) Leupold VX3  4-15x50
2) Sightron Siii 6-24x56
3) Trijicon 5-20x50
 
 
All have illum recticle options and are similarly priced. I really like the fine duplex option on the Leupold. For both day and evening shooting I guess Id be shooting up to 300 yds, but mostly 200 yds. From previous experience I have noticed that I tend to use 15x magnification mostly, as the scope gets a harder to use on higher magnification. Therefore Im wondering if 14x zoom on the Leupold is enough...... or limiting?
 
I have never owned/used illuminated recticle but I guess it opens up new possibilities in the low light hours. I dont know anyone that has Sightron or Trijicon but some friends have Leupolds and they seem to be good and reliable. I wonder though how much Im paying for the 24k gold ring on the Leupold, I really dont care for it - GOOD GLASS and reliability is my main concern.
 
Thanks for your time and input, it really means alot to hear from experienced shooters. Bow
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I have a Trijicon 2.5-10x56 duplex with green dot and it's the best night hunting scope I've tried. Second choice would be a Bushnell 4200 Elite 2.5-10x50 ill. I have never used more than 8x at night. In my experience both Trijicon and Bushnell 4200 gather more light than Leupold VX III/VX-3 scopes.
 
No experience with Sightron so can't comment.
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The Weaver Classic Extreme is also a very good scope and at $300 bucks is the best deal going.I have all three brands and like the Weaver a tad better than the 4200.The Leupold cost more and is the least brightest/clearest.
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Originally posted by 1911man 1911man wrote:

I have a Trijicon 2.5-10x56 duplex with green dot and it's the best night hunting scope I've tried. Second choice would be a Bushnell 4200 Elite 2.5-10x50 ill. I have never used more than 8x at night. In my experience both Trijicon and Bushnell 4200 gather more light than Leupold VX III/VX-3 scopes.
 
No experience with Sightron so can't comment.


Have you used the "new" Leupold vx-3 scope at night?? It's different than the vx-III. Just curious with the results.

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+1 on Mr. Wilson's comment. The Sightron Big Sky is a good choice too. My vote is Trijicon unless you want to rely on batteries.

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Originally posted by jetwrnch jetwrnch wrote:

+1 on Mr. Wilson's comment. The Sightron Big Sky is a good choice too. My vote is Trijicon unless you want to rely on batteries.



Have you tried the new vx3 at night?? I'm not sure I've read many low light/night condition reviews about this scope on the OT to really know how it performs vs. the old vx-III model.



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Mike650 - that is just what I was thinking - how does the NEW VX3 perform in low light compared to the older model????
 
Id really like to know if its a performer, Im looking at this one
 


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Here is a member review on the VX3
 
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Originally posted by shooter4 shooter4 wrote:

Mike650 - that is just what I was thinking - how does the new VX3 perform in low light compared to the older model????
 
Id really like to know if its a performer, Im looking at this one
 


10-4.

Here's one review I found from Lucytuma: http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=15153

Hope it helps. Smile
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Here is a member review on the VX3
 


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Ive some experience with the Zeiss conquest with 1 inch tube. I liked the glass and clarity on that. Anyone knows how the new VX3 compares?
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This might help. It's not gospel but used to assist.

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8185
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I just ordered the leo VX-3 4.5x14x40 Long Range 30mm tube with the special turret made just for my 270wsm Kimber. It should be here here in another week or so. Its specifically made for a 130gr,TSX hand load. I will keep you guys on how it does. I know nothing of the other scopes.

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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Here is a member review on the VX3
 
 
I'll take the Meopta!!!     Bucky
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I read that, Thats a great review on the VX-3! Im glad you sent that Mr. Ed. I cannot wait ot get the new VX-3 mounted..
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If you plan to use the scope in very low light, Trijicon's illuminated reticle is the way to go.

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Originally posted by shooter4 shooter4 wrote:

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Ive some experience with the Zeiss conquest with 1 inch tube. I liked the glass and clarity on that. Anyone knows how the new VX3 compares?
 

I'll try and help but there are differences between the scopes features;

a.  Zeiss Conquest, Z-Plex, 4.5-14x50, 1" Tube. 

b.  Leupold VX-3, Thin Duplex, 8.5-25x50, 30mm Tube

c.  Nikon Monarch, Thin Cross Hair with Target Dot, 6.5-20x44, 1" tube.

 

Low Light:  I looked into a dark wooded area approximently 100 yards away.  It was back in March around 9:00PM.  IMO, the Zeiss had better clarity (sharpness).  It also had better light gathering capability but only by a very slight margin.  The Leupold had warmer colors, whereas the Zeiss's colors tended to be cooler.  The Nikon came in last but it was still looking pretty darn good and of course, it was handi-capped because of the lens opening.

 

Eye Relief throught the entire power lever:  Advavtage Zeiss.  The Leupold VX-3 has very generous eye relief but one has to readjust ,slightly on the upper end of the power range.  With the Zeiss, I didn't but remember, mine doesn't go as high as my Leupold.  The Nikon had good eye relief, just not as much of it.

 

Clarity:  In broad daylight.  I set up some International small bore targets at 200 yards.  It was bright and clear and the mirage was moderate to heavy.  They were all very close though.

-  On 20x:  Leupold.   Remember, thats the max setting for the Nikon.

-  On 16x:  Toss-up (Nikon & Leupold).

-  On 12x:  Zeiss.

 

Reticle Contrast  Zeiss, hands down.  They are the darkest I've seen but I've never looked through a Nightforce or US Optics.  Just the other night I was in a local store and I was looking at a Zeiss 4.5-14x44 with a Rapid Z-800 reticle.  I aimed it toward a room that was litterlty black (kinda' like a movie theater) and I could make out the broad reticles quite easily.  The small tic-marks, nothing doing.  I was comparing it to a Leupold VX-3 4.5-14x40 with a Boone & Crockett reticle.  The B&C reticle had a gold illuminated look to it.

 

Reticle adjustments:  Leupold.  They're precise, firm and audible.  The Zeiss is pretty good too.  The Nikon's are musy in comparision.

 
I don't profess to be an expert but I've learned quite a bit here.  At some point I'll read more and test for edge-to-edge resolution.
 
HTH
 


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Thanks 4 your input man. Thats an eye opener.

I guess the new VX3 is better than the VXiii. I really like the fine duplex for daytime hunting/ target shooting. What amazes me is to read how well the Zeiss is performing - even with the smaller 1" tube its really delivering great picture (maybe the best of these 3).
If I understand you right you say its quite easy to see the Zeiss Zplex recticle in low light. If so it could even mean there is not absolute need for illuminated recticle for me.
 
It would be really neat to know if the Conquest has better optics than the much talked about new Trijicon?
 
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i agree with mr koshkin, the trijicon is the way to go.  adjustable rheostat, so to speak, terrific optics, great light transmission and durable construction.  all of the scopes are good, but again, as i say, see if you can try them out, then make your decision.
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Nice write up there tjtjwdad!! Thunbs Up
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For light gathering the VX-3 is not as good as the Trijicon, Bushnell 4200 or Weaver CE. I have compared them and definately believe for night hunting these are the best for under $1000. Listed in my order of preference:

 

Trijicon 2.5-10x56

Bushnell 4200 Elite 2.5-10x50 ill

Weaver Classic Extreme 2.5-10x56 ill

Trijicon 3-9x40

For a cheap scope I have had good luck with the Simmons AETEC Master Series 2.5-10x44 ill

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Originally posted by 1911man 1911man wrote:

For light gathering the VX-3 is not as good as the Trijicon, Bushnell 4200 or Weaver CE. I have compared them and definately believe for night hunting these are the best for under $1000. Listed in my order of preference:

 

Trijicon 2.5-10x56

Bushnell 4200 Elite 2.5-10x50 ill

Weaver Classic Extreme 2.5-10x56 ill

Trijicon 3-9x40

For a cheap scope I have had good luck with the Simmons AETEC Master Series 2.5-10x44 ill



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QUOTE=shooter4]"....If I understand you right you say its quite easy to see the Zeiss Zplex recticle in low light. If so it could even mean there is not absolute need for illuminated recticle for me...."[/QUOTE]
 
1.  I could see the heavier stadia's (Don't know if I spelled that one right) of the reticle (Rapid Z-800).  IIRC, there was one at 3, 6 and 9 oclock.  The smaller cross hairs with the hold over points could not be made out.  But, for intends and purposes, it's defiently well past sunset unless you're allowed to hunt at night.
 
2.  The reason I was comparing the three scopes (Nikon, Zeiss Leupold) was because something went amiss with the Nikon reticle.  Its going back to Nikon tomorrow morning for repairs and I hope they cover it.  If they don't, I'll replace it with another scope. 
 
3.  The reason I was comparing the Leupold B&C and the Zeiss Rapid Z-800 was because they were the only ones in the store that were similar to the Varmint Reticles which is what I was hoping to compare just in-case the Nikon isn't covered.   Still don't know how the reticle went out from a 204 Ruger.
 
4.  I really like the new Leupold for tha application I got it for, target shooting for a .308 from 100 to 1000 yards.  I needed plenty of internal elevation, reliability and clarity and I feel it has it.  There C/S is second to none and, if you want a reticle change done, they'll do it.
 
5.  I also like the Zeiss, especially on hunting rigs.  They're a little more pricey but they too are very precise.  Don't know about their Customer Service but I do know this, if you get a Zeiss and want a Rapid Z reticle, get it, because if you get a Z-Plex and want to get it changed to a Rapid Z reticle later you're SOL because they won't do that, at least not now they won't.
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Has anyone idea about how the glass in these three compares in the dark for Varmint hunting:

1) Leupold VX3  4-15x50 - useable
2) Sightron Siii 6-24x56  -  not a good choice for this application but a fine scope for target
3) Trijicon 5-20x50  -  Quite good recommend you select the mil dot or duplex version. (And Yes I have very carefully examined this scope under night time tactical conditions. )
 
Trijicon 2.5-10x56 -- Quite good no tactical knobs like the 5-20x50 but a more useful power range in low light. Note the larger 56mm objective makes this scope as bright as can be used by the human eye at 8 power where the smaller 50mm will be bright as can be used at 7 power yielding a 7mm exit eye pupil.  ( age adverseley effects how well you see in low light).  The disadavantage of the 56mm scopes is that you may not be able to get a good cheek weld.  High power and low light do not mix well the scopes at high power will look dark ----dial it down to brighten it up.
 
Considering that we are only talking 200 to 300 yds I really see no problem with using any of the Aimpoint 2moa red dots for this application.  Smaller Lighter Less money.
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Again Urimagineryfrnd and tjtjwdad thanks for detailed input. No bull hands on advice is priceless (well, It might end up costing me 1000$).

Mr Urimaginaryfrnd, few more thoughts:
 
A) how do you think the 50mm Zeiss Conquest optics are performing next to the Trijicon?  B) whats the Trijicon reliability record?
C) the new Leupold VX3-L 56mm scope - better optics than the Zeiss and Trijicon?
 
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