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I am looking at these 2 scopes

Sightron SII Big Sky 6-24 X 42


Sightron SII Big Sky 6.5-20 X 50


not sure if I should go for the higher magnification and a little less light transmission or a little lower magnification but a little higher light transmission. I will hardly be shooting at dusk/dawn so the sun will more than likely be completely present. But there will be days where it is very cloudy...

I need a little help on this!

Oh and the shooting will be at 1000 yards...and I have not bought the scope rings yet as I will fit the scope to the rifle dependent on the size of the objective so the whole low profile mount can be obtained if I decided to go with the 42 mm.





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/15/2011 at 20:31
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Buy this instead:
Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SIIISS624X50LRMOA
  • Matte
  • MOA-2
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • 1/4 MOA Tactical Knobs
$869.95 
100 MOA elevation adjustment range


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have to save that is the best of both worlds high mag big objective and greater moa range as well unfortunately i will rather have a 20 moa base and spend 80 on that instead of another 400 dollars...and yes I did know about the MOA range and me needing a moa base I just didn't think I needed to state it my bad...
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No problem lots of people start off saying I want to shoot a thousand yards when they have no idea what it takes to really get there ----accurately.  There are huge problems between getting to 600 and getting to 1000.  I have struggled with the problem of scopes without sufficient internal adjustment and understand that you can put a 50 moa scope on, and half of the adjustment may be above center for 25moa up, mount that on a plus 30 moa base thinking you can get distance and still be 5 inches high at 100.   Ive mounted a Leupold M3 10x on a plus 20moa Badger base and never been able to get closer than 20 inches high at 100 so making the right choice of base and internal adjustment is a huge issue that most people do not understand.  When you add something on one end you loose it on the other so its far better to use a scope with around 100 moa of internal adjustment when you want to try to get past 600 yds.  60 moa could work for you but you truely would be better off with 100 moa because it is not that great of an idea to work right at the max limits of the scopes adjustment range.  Some scopes that are true tactical scopes really are made to go the distance like U.S. Optics and Heinsoldt and S&B and Premier.  The scope you are looking at is more designed to target shoot and would ge a good choice for closer distances.  As it is Im not sure where everyone thinks they are going to find a thousand yard range as the ranges around here are mostly 200 yds and less and the one I shoot on the most is 600 yds and the military range at the base where I work is 1000 yds but severly restricted as to what cartridges can be used and a pain to get authorized.  If you own land that issue changes but if you dont you are restricted to what ranges in your area will allow.
Honestly I still think a good 10x with a lot of internal adjustment is your best choice to start with, you may not stay with that forever but its a good place to start. Look at the demo HD version of the Super Sniper in a fixed 10x preferably the mil quad reticle this is a scope that is designed by specific request of the U.S. military.
SPL14075 SWFA 10x42 SS HD Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view SS10X42HD, Matte, Mil-Dot, 30mm, 0.1 MIL
$649.95
SPL14087 SWFA 10x42 SS HD Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view SS10X42HD, Matte, Mil-Dot, 30mm, 0.1 MIL
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SPL15033 SWFA 10x42 SS HD Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view SSHD10X42MQ, Matte, Mil-Quad, 30mm, 0.1 MIL
$699.95
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Your other option comming in a 150 moa of internal adjustment is this:
Sightron 16x42 SIII 30mm Riflescope Sightron 16x42 SIII 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SIII16X42MMD
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  • Modified Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Rear Focus
  • Target Knobs
$549.95 


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yea I have the land from inheratince that is why is inspiring me to build a .308 capable of getting out that far with a decent scope on top and I like that sightron as I would like to keep my scope budget around $600-650.
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once you get to 1k, you'll wanna go further. i'd build a 300wm, with the right scope you can get to 1500. and check SL regularly for the SIII, you'll be happier with it.
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check the SL? sorry I don't understand and yea I am sure I would its just the expense...
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Better yet, build a .260 Remington or a 243 Winchester. Both out run the 308 to 1000. And they are comparable in price to shoot. The Sightron scopes get really favorable reviews, but I would save for the SIII.
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If I can save for the SIII, why not save for a leopold, if I can save for a leopold why not save for a Zeiss...when does it stop? Unfortunately I have a budget that I have to stick with unless there magically appears to be a slight used SIII that I could spring on but we are really getting off topic here I still have yet to have an answer for the whole do I go for 4x more zoom or 6mm more of objective size?
after that has been answered I would love to talk about which scope should go on there over the sightron or how much MOA riser I should get. And I would love to talk about (if it is even possible) to zero a rifle at 600 yards and dial it up to shoot 1000 yrds then dial it way down and shoot at 100 yrds with a 10,15,20..i don't know riser.

If it turns out that with only a 60 MOA adjustment range it is impossible to shoot at 1000 and at 100 accurately and a 100 MOA adjustment is required then I see that I need the SIII and HAVE to save up for it.

Also I plan on building a .308 and am not considering any other options now due to the fact I bought the parts already and am not gonna go thru the hassle of researching where to sell the parts and which caliber is better...etc... and as much as your right I want to keep reaching out the property is already set up for 1000 yrds. Maybe one day I will get the opportunity to shoot farther and I can get a .50 or something(no comments on any other caliber being better are needed) but currently I wish to shoot come summer time at the 1000 yrd range and be able to go to the 100 yrd range and put holes in some paper.
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Well, best of luck to you... Seems like your mind has already been made up, so why bother asking? It will work or it won't. 
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Both of the Big Sky scopes you are looking at will do the job just fine.  Personally, I would probably go with the 6.5-20x50 version, primarily because it has 1/4 inch clicks and 20MOA per turn, vs 1/8 inch and 10 MOA per turn of the 6-24x42 (unless you are looking at the silhouette version of this scope).

All that having been said, I also recommend saving up a little and getting an S3 6-24x50.  With the new knobs, it is a superb option for what you want to do.

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only things I have my mind made up on is the 1000 yrd shooting and 100 yrds and I am putting a $650Max scope (unless to do the massive skip of 1000 to 100 requires more of a range than that of a 60 moa plus 15 moa base can do, then the sIII is what I have to get) I do like sightrons a lot so I would like to stick there(but flexible) and yes I have made up my mind on the caliber but there are still many more questions I am asking that have yet to be answered....
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Thank you Koshkin! Can you answer any of my other questions on this forum? It would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!!!
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