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Obama's Gun Ban List Is Out!

The Gun Ban list is out!
 
Needless to say, I am a little upset by this list. View the Youtube at the bottom of this page.
 
 Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.
 
Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.
 
Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under  the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of opportunity. It's horrific. They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They've made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The 
Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):
 
  Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
  M1 Carbine,
  Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
  AR-15,
  Bushmaster XM15,
  Armalite M15,
  AR-10,
  Thompson 1927,
  Thompson M1;
  AK,
  AKM,
  AKS,
  AK-47,
  AK-74,
  ARM,
  MAK90,
  NHM 90,
  NHM 91,
  SA 85,
  SA 93,
  VEPR;
  Olympic Arms PCR;
  AR70,
  Calico Liberty ,
  Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
  Fabrique National FN/FAL,
  FN/LAR, or FNC,
  Hi-Point20Carbine,
  HK-91,
  HK-93,
  HK-94,
  HK-PSG-1,
  Thompson 1927 Commando,
  Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
  Saiga,
  SAR-8,
  SAR-4800,
  SKS with detachable magazine,
  SLG 95,
  SLR 95 or 96,
  Steyr AU,
  Tavor,
  Uzi,
  Galil and Uzi Sporter,
  Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
  Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
  Calico M-110,
  MAC-10,
  MAC-11, or MPA3,
  Olympic Arms OA,
  TEC-9,
  TEC-DC9,
  TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
  Uzi.
  Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
  Armscor 30 BG,
  SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
  Striker 12,
  Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
  A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
  (i) a folding or telescoping stock,
  (ii) a threaded barrel,
  (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see 
below),
  (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
  Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
  10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
  A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a
  detachable magazine, and has:
  (i) a second pistol grip,
  (ii) a threaded barrel,
  (iii) a barrel shroud or
  (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
  (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 
rounds.
  A semiautomatic shotgun with:
  (i) a folding or telescoping stock,
  (ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
  (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity 
of more than 5 rounds, and
  (iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
  Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
 
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will:  Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm,  that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General."  Note that Obama's pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, "there shall be a rebuttable presumption  that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be 
determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event." In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public. The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn't have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose -- is that devious or what? And of course, "sporting  purpose" is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.  
 
Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America
 
http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm
 
 
Forward or send to every gun owner you know...
 
Watch This, If You Want More Proof:
 
YouTube - CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv3p2lLmjGk 
 
 
A partial list of gun rights groups:
 
Gun Owners of America
 
http://gunowners.org/
 
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
 
http://www.jpfo.org/
 
FREEDOM=GUNS
 
http://www.tcsn.net/doncicci/freedom.htm
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So what do they think we are going to do? Just back our trucks up to the court house door and "GIVE" all these on the list to the sheriff. They may succeed in banning the sales of those on the list, but what is the plan for the thousands on top of thousands that are in circulation. My BAR hunting rifle has a thumbhole stock.  "a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip," I will not comply with any law infringing on my rights. I also wonder how long it will take for them to get cooperation from local law inforcment. They will have to weed out the ones who will refuse to enforce this arrogance.
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I would encourage everybody to get a good understanding of your local politics.  Understand who gives money and who can pull "strings." 
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I think that a lot of Democrats will not vote for this. They know what will happen in the next election if they do.
Whether right or wrong, he was elected because of the economy and to some extant, Iraq. Certainly not because of ant- (NRA, SUV, pick up truck and hunting) sentiment. The anti-normal crowd can just crawl back under their rocks as far as I'm concerned. His leftist policies will not survive for four years or the whole Dem Party will go down.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I think that a lot of Democrats will not vote for this. They know what will happen in the next election if they do.
Whether right or wrong, he was elected because of the economy and to some extant, Iraq. Certainly not because of ant- (NRA, SUV, pick up truck and hunting) sentiment. The anti-normal crowd can just crawl back under their rocks as far as I'm concerned. His leftist policies will not survive for four years or the whole Dem Party will go down.
 
 
 
I agree, but how much damage will be done before they get a clue is anybodies guess.
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AR-15??? Damn... Ok, then the next question is will they take my 1600 yd .338 Lapua too? That's more of a danger than any damn AR-15 (depending upon range, of course). It looks to me like they just don't want "machine guns" available. I'll stick with my .338 Lapua, .223, and pistols and see what happens. There's no way they're going to recall all these tacticals. I'll just tell them mine was stolen. I'll file a police report if need be. Some punk came and took mine. Prove that.
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It says: Shotguns and pistols. What the hell does that mean? All shotguns and pistols are on the list too? WTF?????
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Ok, I'm sorry...It's the restricted list below each catagory. Sorry.
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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I think that a lot of Democrats will not vote for this. They know what will happen in the next election if they do.
Whether right or wrong, he was elected because of the economy and to some extant, Iraq. Certainly not because of ant- (NRA, SUV, pick up truck and hunting) sentiment. The anti-normal crowd can just crawl back under their rocks as far as I'm concerned. His leftist policies will not survive for four years or the whole Dem Party will go down.
 
 
 
I agree, but how much damage will be done before they get a clue is anybodies guess.


That is the big question. I think the southern Democrats are our biggest hope. The liberals in the north will follow Obama, regardless.
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Nice find CF.  Forwarded and posted elsewhere.
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Originally posted by Ick Ick wrote:

Nice find CF.  Forwarded and posted elsewhere.


What are you a forum whore....LOL
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OK I feel better having that said.
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I have a small problem.  Perhaps you guys can help me out with it.
 
I have a group of buddies on another site.  Traditionally we have had some great discussions on all sorts of things..... from Sept 11, 2001, Bush, Cheny's Shotgun, economics, games, sports, guns, help with technology problems, etc.. .you name it.  Not much different than the "almost anything goes" discussion here.
 
Keep in mind that there are several people with views I DO NOT AGREE WITH, but both of us agreed that we lerned all sorts of things engaging in open discussion.  Nobody really changed their position on, say, who they were voting for and why.... but there was better understanding and (mostly) a mutual respect for the disagreements.
 
Since about mid October... after some really good discussions on core beliefs.... political discussions were totally banned by the owner of the site and his small committee.  Since that time, the censorship has gotten progressively worse.
 
Several of us pleaded and begged for an overturn of the ban.... or a separate section that a person could "ask" to be a member of where political discussions could be had... but the anwer was no.
 
Just today I posted CF's post above... BEFORE the message was put up I removed any offensive reference to Obama, Democrats, and politics.... and made it a post about gun control and what legislation is just around the corner.
 
The post was deleted under the reason "This is a political discussion".
 
To tell you the truth, if I would have posted "Kid killed playing with neighbor's gun, Schmorts County official proposes gun ban, story at 11" I bet $5 it would not be deleted.
 
What say you, do you agree?  Is gun control an unavoidable political discussion, and therefore should be avoided among friends?  I am not asking about OT of course, I am asking about other places.


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ICK,
 
On one forum I am a member before the election we had two people who seemed to have the job to monitor that site and do spin control.  They were not as good as they thought. 
 
 We have now two resident trolls here who seem to delight in being jerks to everybody.  It is getting harder to tell the asses from the agent provocatures. 
 
 I expect an effort to "neutralize" a lot of comunications and groups.  I saw it in the 90's.  It can take many forms. It comes down to attacking the messenger by what ever means.  It gets made worse by some peoples knee jerk re-actions.  Provocatures then feed into those reactions to stir up stuff.    
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m1 carbine?? (I killed my first two deer with one way back when.)  Roll Eyes 

I think everything listed is already banned here in CA. except the M1 carbine. 
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The more I think about it, you know what I think it is?  I have run into the "don't talk politics" several times since election day.  At first, I thought it was that people that voted for Obama were unhappy with the way some things are going...and didn't want to be confronted with their decision on the November vote.  That is not the source of it in this particular case I brought up though.
 
Heck, I voted for Bush TWICE but clearly I was not happy with everything he chose to do.    Even so, I was glad and EAGER to engage in discussions on BUSH topics.  This does not seem to be the case for many people with the new president.
 
I think the "refusal" to discuss what is gong on in our country falls into one of several categories.
 
1. People don't want to discuss it because they just don't care.
2. They just want to ignore it all in the hope that everything will just go away.
3. They just can't handle the direction things are going in and as an individual they cannot bring themselve to discuss it.  (Kind of like: My doctor advised me--> no politics, you are going to have a heart attack from the anxiety.)
4. They are perfectly fine with decisions that are being made and don't care to convince someone else of their position.
5. They just can't handle criticism of their "preferred" leader and the choices being made, it is an affront to their core belieffs.
 
I can totally understand #3 and #4.  If you fall into this category I am not "happy" that citizens of our country feel that way, but I do understand that attitude or the necessity to avoid that discussion.
 
Items #5 is scary to say the least, but that is how some people are.  I can appreciate that even though I disagree with it.
 
Item #1 and #2 are pretty sad.  When a citizen doesn't care about the country with everything that is gonig on... it makes me wonder about the viability of our future.  I gues it has ALWAYS been like that, but the decisions being made right now.... it seems to matter s so much more.  This apathetic attitude has some real potential to cause serious long-term harm.
 
The WORST part of the whole thing is..... even if McCain would have been elected I wonder if much would be different.  IMO The real mistake made this November was who was elected in Congress, not who became president.  That is a whole different discussion though.
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The best way to beat Socialism is to understand it! I guess they think we are just going to roll over & let them have all our guns & ammo.Not for nothing there are alot of Dems out there who own guns,I don't think they are going to sit around either.I'ts no longer 2 yrs. till election time,it's 22 months.

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