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I know little to nothing about scopes, but I am tired of passing up Elk at 300 - 400 yards because I am not sure where my bullet is going to hit. I have recently started to hunt in wide open country...instead of the timber I am use to (usually shots of 100 yards or less).
 
I have just purchased a .270 WSM Rifle. I want to shoot to 300 - 500 yards hunting. Maybe target shoot beyond that. There is a 1000 meter range near by. We also have a "long range" shooters club here in the valley I live in. I have not been involved and do not know those guys.  I have spoke to one of those guys and he uses a nightforce scope.
 
I bought this gun to hunt primarily Elk, maybe some antelope / deer. So hunting is the first priority. 
 
I would like to spend 500.00 - 1000.00 or less but I am open to all suggestions. I like to purchase an item "once". I don't buy something to get me by.
 
Thank you for your help.
 
 
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Joe,
 
I am no expert by any means, but there are many on this forum who are. I, too, wanted a scope for a similar purpose; hunting deer and elk to 300 or so yards and target shooting to 600. I went with the SWFA SS3-9X42. Its the only scope in its price range that is FFP, mil/mil and great glass for the money. Not to mention SWFA's famously excellent customer service that I can personally attest to. Its a great value and will likely out shoot me for a verey long time.
 
 
Good luck with your decision.
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Welcome to the OT Joe!  Good to see another Montanan.


Is there a mag range you were thinking of?  What features would you like?

First let me say, the best way to know where your bullet is going to hit, is to shoot at all of the ranges you mentioned, in all types of weather conditions.  A scope in itself is not going to make you good at those ranges.  Practice is what it takes.

Now with that being said, as you get the practice in, a scope with holdover marks makes for fast reference and aiming once you get used to it.  You will still need to shoot at all of the ranges to see how close the bullet hits when using those marks.

After guiding for several years up here in Montana, the average shot I saw on elk was 250 yards.  It is not that often that you have to take a shot longer than that, but it is good to be practice if you need to.  A good 3-9 like the SS Variable (I have on on my 270, and love it) will cover pretty much everything you want to do.  If you sight in your 270 for 200 to 250 yards, for elk size targets you just have to hold dead on the elk out to about 325 to 350 yards.  At 400 you hold on their back.  Pretty simple.  And if you practice with the mil dots, especially on a ffp scope where it works on any mag setting, you will have holdover dots as well.

I would highly recommend looking at the SS Variable mentioned by Gardien.  I am also a big fan of the Burris scopes.  Bushnell 4200 and the Nikon Monarch are great scopes as well.
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helo 18.....are you with AirMethods?
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Originally posted by 0311GRUNT 0311GRUNT wrote:

helo 18.....are you with AirMethods?


No sir, I wish I was.  I get some flying in with Treasure State Helicopters out of Bozeman.  I look forward to the day when I can fly full time.  The picture is of the LA Fire Department flying one of my favorite helicopters (the Bell 412) and with my number on it.
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I guess i am with the competition then ....AirEvac
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I should say, that I wish I was flying.  Don't really care who for.  Both do great work.
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Elk is a pretty big target, so you do not need a whole lot of magnification.  You do need a very repeatable scope and a LOT of practice.

To that extent, SWFA SS 3-9x42 is a very good recommendation and would be my choice as well.

Learn to use the knobs for really long range and the reticle for shooting within 500 yards or so.

For example, with a 150gr 270WSM load, you should be able to aim pretty much point blank up to 300 yards.  The first MilDot down should just about right at 400 yards and the second MilDot down at 500 yards if you use a six o'clock hold.

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There are several options available to you to help you be able to accurately shoot at longer distances.  Some companies have balistic  reticles with marks estimating where the bullet will impact at distances.  Zeiss   RapidZ 600 would be a good choice. The down side to this system is that it only works at the highest power and when it starts to get dark one must dial down the power to about 6x to make the image look brighter.  
Some scopes have target or tactical knobs on them which can be used to dial in correction for shooting different distances.  The size and style of the knob varies considerably.  One of my boys  has the 3-9 x 42 Super Sniper  which has 1/10 mil clicks on his rifle and it is a fine choice.  My other son prefers more magnification and has a Bushnell 4200  4 - 16 x 40 on his rifle which has 1/4 moa clicks.  He also has another rifle with a Leupold VX3 4.5-14x50 which he dial s in correction using the standard knob.   Recently Leupold has made a knob they call CDS  Custom Dial System and those are a short knob with engraved marks 2 for 200   3 for 300   4 for 400 etc matched to the balistic information of your caliber and selected factory ammo.  Most models can be ordered with this feature and while it is not quite as precise as a true target knob like the Super Sniper 3-9  it should work nicely for hunting and works at all powers like tactical knobs do.   I would consider any of these to be good choices.
http://swfa.com/Leupold-45-14x50-VX-3L-Riflescope-P12715.aspx
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P41044.aspx
http://swfa.com/Bushnell-4-16x40-Elite-4200-Rifle-Scope-P11606.aspx
http://swfa.com/Trijicon-5-20x50-Accu-Point-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P12886.aspx
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-45-14x50-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-P8685.aspx

Many scopes with tactical knobs can be fitted with custom engraved Kenton knobs to aid you in shooting long range.
http://www.kentonindustries.com/pics/picbytype/



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