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Chris, feel free to move this elsewhere after a few days, but I've noticed most of the tac guys check this forum more than the others - and I need specific info.

 

The question: how good is the AICS stock from Accuracy International?

 

I've shot McMillans and H&S and I hear really good things about the AICS but I haven't had the chance to sit behind one.  I know it isn't an absolute question, but what do you who've shot the AICS think?

 

My choices are a McMillan A-3  or A-5 (don't care for the A4)with steel bottom end and adjustable cheek weld.  By the time it's bedded, it'll be almost $1,000 for an internal box mag.  I can do the AICS for a few hundred less, no bedding needed, and I get a very good stock without the 15-20 week wait.  That isn't to say I can't wait.  OPur greatest weaponsa re time and patience.

 

If it matters, I'm about 6'4" and 220.  I hear some little guys (5'9" or so) complain about certain aspects of the AICS but their complaints wouldn't translate to problems for me.

 

Any experience (especially in my wieght and height range) would be greatly appreciated.  The stock  on my PSS doesn't let me get the cheekweld I want and makes the wep a little unbalanced.  I hear the AICS is rear-heavy which helps me out.  I could always hollow out my H&S and throw some shot and epoxy in there, but - as I've recently explained to Mike, I "need" a new stock.

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No one has used the AICS stock?

 

Damn!

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I have use the AWM at 300 WM with full adjustable but with spike. Also I have shot a lot with M24 SWS. In compare those two, the AI is a 10000% much better for my dimensions (175 cm height)

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Yeah  yeah yeah,  I've used them, own them.  What happened to patience is our greatest weapon anyway???  

I've owned several McMillans, HS Prescision adjustables ( still do)  and the 1.5 AICS.

I personally do not care for McMillans except the Baker Special and the HTG, so bear that in mind.  I think the ergo's are all wrong on the A series units, too much drop at the heel for good sighting and recoil management.  The Baker stock solves that issue by lowering the barrel channel toward the comb of the stock. (don't jump in and tell me the Marines use them......the Marines use whatever they're told to use)

The AICS unit places the bore axis just above the comb,  making the stock great for recoil reduction and follow on shots.
The cheekpiece adjusts in two axis, up/down and left/right, so a perfect head position in relation to optics is obtained.
Adjustments are done with a hex key as opposed to the Mcstocks which use thumbscrews and are constantly moving.
Length of pull is done with spacers and is infintitly adjustable.

The issue you may have given your physical stature is that the stock is from the AW, ARCTIC warfare rifle.
The grip is smallish and set close to the trigger to allow for the shooter using glove hands.  WHen gloves are worn the trigger to grip dimension is near perfect, otherwise your trigger finger is going to try to wrap around the trigger to about the second joint.  I always shoot mine with fingerless fleece gloves (about 3/32nds thick)  just for this reason.  Works perfectly.

Mag feed is flawless, the stock is easy to sling, and apart from the whiners, it shoots very well in all positions.
It's also the most unreakable stock you'll ever own.

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Much appreciated.

 

I wonder if there is a way to add a palm swell to the grip - I'll do some digging and thinking.

 

And I like the McMillans, not just because the Marine Corps uses them, but because I like the way they feel and the way they fit me.  I do agree that the adjustments adjust at the worst possible time, and that will be a point in the favor of the AICS.

 

 

again, thanx.

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does this qualify as an inate need thing???

 

 

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ai_2005.pdf

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In all honesty, here is my conundrum, offer any input you wish.

 

I bought the rifles several years ago, broke the barrel in right, replaced the trigger with a Timney (I like the trigger face better than the Rem, it's wide and fits my finger better, I feel the break better), and have taken good care of ol' girl.  It is a .308 Rem PSS with nothing special - just good mounts, rings, optics, ammo, and good maintenance.  My problem - if you can call it that:  the rifle easily shoots 1/2 groups and, at ranges of 300 to 600, has repeatedly turned out groups of 1/3MOA.

 

With that level of accuracy, I am reluctant to do anything irreversible.  I don't want a flash hider because they'll have to cut the crown and may change something "just enough."  I hesitate to restock it but am going with a stock that doesn't bed and can simply be taken off and it can go back into the H&S.

 

And yes, it is a genuine "need".  Obviously, this ain't my first rodeo.  With almost 15 years of marriage (all to the same lucky lady), I know how to play the game and how not to get played by the game.

 

I do appreciate the help.

 

I have a local guy (in Houston) that does great work with rifles and 1911s and I am working on starting a new 300WM with him, guess that'll go into a McMillan and the .308 will go into the AICS.

 

So, Chris, any idea when those new IORs will be in?  The new 300 will either sport an IOR or a USO; at this moment, I am undecided.

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Anyone do the TacPro shoots?

 

 

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Time (and $$) well spent?

 

Impressions?

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Mike and Ufriend,

 

Thought about PM, but why not give everyone the benefit of your knowledge.

 

I got the AICS today and mounted it.  I have some trouble getting low enough on the cheek piece to get a good sight picture.  It seems to be more a problem right-handed than left-.

 

Does anyone make an add-on cheek piece to replace the stock piece?  I could get higher mounts but that ain't a good option.  I could also sahve into this one, but again, not the best option.

 

I like the way it feels and handles.  I'll have it at the local range in about an hour, maybe I'll get lucky and everything will be fine.

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Thanks for the update on the stock I hope it works for you, have you tried one of these stocks by any chance

 

http://www.knoxx.com/products/AxiomVS.php

I am thinking about buying one after the knee overhaul to have my rifle ready to shoot again, it would go on a 308 or 30-06

 

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I haven't tried that exact stock; however, I do have some experience withe  AR-style stocks on other weapons (Choate, Vltor, etc) and I find that with heavy barrels, the weapons tend to not balance well.  I prefer a little more heft in my stocks to off-set the weight of the barrel.  I have the Vltor on my SOCOM and really like it, but I don't prefer those on tactical rifles.


Again, it's all preference.

 

I think I'll like the AICS once I figure out the cheek piece problem.  It shoulders well, balances well, and the mag may be the best I've seen in a bolt gun.

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As an update to those interested in the AICS for a Rem 700 SA PSS, I really like it.  I'm growing accustomed to the cheek weld (which is a little different than an H-S or McM, but not bad.)  The stock fits great and the magazine system is better than any bolt-gun system I've seen (except maybe the old Robar mod adding an M1A mag to a Remington - but that alone was $600.)

 

  As for results: the guns shoots well.  And if we ever go to war with little paper squares or Susan B Anthony dollars, I will be a hero!

 

(And the square below on the right is 3 rounds, on the left is just one - a dope check.)

 

 

 

 

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A friend (in law enforcement) has informed me that destroying coinage is a federal offense. 

 

Maybe I should'a shot a half-dollar, then it'd jut be historically accurate.

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