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i was introduced to a place that sells nosler factory 2nds yesterday and i am sereiously thinking of trying them i have always wanted to shoot nosler bullets but i am to cheap and i really like sierras but for the price they are selling the seconds for i can afford to shoot accubonds and partitions in all of my rifles for the almost the same price as the sierras, has anybody used any of these factory 2nds??
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I've never used the Nosler factory 2nds, but I would have no hesitation to try them.  The word on them is the only thing wrong are cosmetic blemishes like stains and scratches; supposedly nothing that would affect performance.  I highly recommend the Accubonds for mid sized game.  I've had fantastic luck with them both in terms of accuracy and terminal performance.  I know you're a Sierra man, and you should get similar accuracy from the Accubond as you do with GameKings, maybe better.  I use Sierra bullets as well, but only for varmints.  The Accubond has become my go-to bullet for all my rifles for deer-sized game.  The Partition is an excellent, time-proven bullet as well, but for tough animals like elk, I've been gravitating to the Barnes TSX.

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i wanna try the accubonds in all three of my deer rifles, i think they are a little tougher than the ballistic tips but not as hard as the partition is, sounds like the perfect whitetail bullet, as far as elk go i have and my dad has for years killed elk with single well placed shots with sierra 150 grain 30-06 and 180 grain 300winm's with sierra bullets my father in law has taken a few elk with 100grain 25-06 bullets my brother in law killed an elk and a bull moose with single 130 grain .270 win bullets and my mother in law killed a cow moose with a single well placed .243win 100grain sierra, so i know they are very capable of taking down the big stuff, but i am never satisfied i am always looking for something a little better and if the accubond will give me that then great, the price of the seconds is very attractive where as the barnes tsx is terribly exspensive, and imo isnt a good choice for whitetail deer with the short range shots i normally take at them. but i could be wrong. the only thing that sucks is that i may have to run another huge batch of test loads when i change bullets, there are some weight changes in my 6.5 and my 25wssm the 6.5 would be shooting a 125 grain accubond instead of a 120 sierra and the 110 grain accubond for my 25 wssm instead of the 100 grainers i currently shoot but the 300wsm will of course still shoot 180 grains. i just wonder if i will have to start all over again???
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pyro, you can pretty much bank on starting over with your loads when you switch to any new bullet.  Even when using 2 different bullets of the same weight, you are still dealing with differences in ogive and bearing surface length.  But it really isn't that big a deal if you are close on weight.  Just start off loading the new bullet the same distance from the lands as your previous load and back off a few grains in powder, then work back up until you find what your rifle likes.  You should always back off on your powder charges and work back up to maximum when changing any load components if for no other reasons than safety.

 

You should never overlook the "confidence" factor in your equipment selection.  Just because someone else uses different components than you doesn't necessarily mean you should switch if you have had proven success with a given bullet in the past.  Just speaking for myself, when I spend all the money an average elk hunt costs, the very last place I want to save a few $ is in the bullets, especially since you might fire only 1 shot if you're lucky on the whole trip, besides verifying your rifle's zero.  After hauling elk parts up and down lung-burning slopes for long distances, I want an elk to drop as soon as possible after the shot.  Every step an elk takes after the shot is potentially one more step you have to take hauling it back to camp, and they can be tough critters.  So, even though there are plenty of bullet choices that would technically work, I don't want to sacrifice any bullet performance and will opt for the toughest controlled expansion bullets I can find to break bones and keep penetrating.  You never know when you may screw up and a seemingly good shot becomes a marginal shot.  For elk and larger animals, I'll use Winchester Fail Safes & XP3s, Barnes TSXs, Swift A-Frames and the like.  If money is an issue, shoot the less expensive bullets for everything else.  It only takes 1 box of bullets to get you through many elk seasons.

 

Whitetail is a different story.  There are very few game bullets that aren't adequate for deer.  I settled on the Accubonds because they have been consistently accurate in all rifles I've tried them in, they expand fairly rapidly, and yet they don't blow to pieces like the Ballistic Tips can.  I have never tried the TSXs on deer, and haven't seen the need to, however I have used them quite a bit on feral hogs, which are a little tougher than deer.  I see no reason why they wouldn't work o.k., but you just don't need a very tough bullet on deer.

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thats kinda what i figured you would say, hopefully if i switch i can find something that shoots to my likes very quickly, i have two guys and 4 different calibers i gotta start test loading for before this years deer season as well and this years construction season has the potential to be very busy for us, so we will see if i change or not still gotta try 4350 in my 300 ran out of bullets so i could try reloader 19 first, the swift a frame would be my bullet of choice if i were going to alaska or africa but for the usa stuff sierra and nosler can handle anything here, i may have to wait until july when nosler's reloading manual comes out so i make sure and have all the load data i could want for them, there prices on those seconds are so enticing i am thinking when my bday role around which is only a few weeks away i may treat myself to $100 worth of seconds
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i have been looking at bullet reviews on reloadernest.com and it seems to me that for every person who has good luck with the nosler ballistic tip 4-5 people say they are terrible and i myself had a bad experience with a ballistic tip, anybody else???
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

 

  For elk and larger animals, I'll use Winchester Fail Safes & XP3s, Barnes TSXs, Swift A-Frames and the like.  If money is an issue, shoot the less expensive bullets for everything else.  It only takes 1 box of bullets to get you through many elk seasons.

 

Whitetail is a different story.  There are very few game bullets that aren't adequate for deer.  I

 

Thanks, RD. It's nice to see some common sense around here regarding game bullets. I will add, though, since the .375H7H is more than adequate for elk, the 300gr Sierra GameKing will do the job. The smaller the caliber, the more the need for a premium bullet on larger game like elk. Now m'bogo might require a different bullet for .375, indeed.

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i would take sierras in 30-06 300 winmag 300 wsm and 30-30 after elk all day and never worry about it seen way to many of them drop in there tracks because of proper shot placement. if my life could be on the line no doubt in my mind swift a frame would be my choice., yes one box of bullets would get you through many elk seasons but i like to use my hunting loads to shoot year round, because if its a hunting load its also my most accurate load.
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the first and only time i used the ballistic tip was in the late 90's blew that mulie to hell
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can you buy these 2nds on line? yes, @ www.shootersproshop.com, but beware some bullets are out of stock and they are seasonally ran so check back often if what you want is out of stock, the prices are awesome for cosmetic blemishes



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if my sister in law would let me borrow hers and buy some dies for it i would certainly be willing to add my findings to the mix, i would assume that since the .260 is a .308 parent case that whatever powders shot well in that family will be a good place to start.
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http://noslershop.com/bthunting2nds.htm

 

Maybe this will help if anyone is still looking for them.

 

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 www.shootersproshop.com this is the nosler factory store they actually sell a lot of stuff there
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If you're only interested in price, not quality and real performance then the 2nds sound just like what you would be shooting in your gun. You could take all the chances like jamming the barrel or the bullet spliting before it impacts, or maybe it doesn't fully collapse upon impact and just goes on through not stopping the intended target and all kinds of wonderful scenarios.

However, you'll find that using and buying quality the FIRST time is less costly in all aspects and performance is far more superior when it counts so you end up shooting less because the performance is better. Make any sense?
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nosler 2nds are cosmetic blemishes only no performance issues are incured, i dont think there are any issues to worry about.
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I have taken a good many deer with Ballistic Tip 2nd's,  no difference in accuracy or performance.  For those who are ardent supporters of "hard" bullets for whitetails, who don't like quick energy deposit bullets such as Ballistic Tips, take a look at this research article by our Deer Project leader.  It pretty much busts the myth of premium hard bullets being better for whitetails. http://www.dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/deer/articlegad.html
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i have seen it with my own eyes with my own rifle, i loaned my 300wsm to my wife's cousin during the whitetail season, he just wanted to carry it in the field for 1 day, and so i said sure thing, i had a box of nosler partitions 180gr loaded up for it, and he saw a very nice whitetail buck at about 200 yds and shot it, the deer was knocked off his feet but then got back up and ran off, about an hour later another member of our group saw the buck laying down by a trail and finished it off, once we got it home and peeled the skin off we found the bullet and it was perfect, i probably could have taken that bullet and loaded it up again, talked to nosler about it and they said it was bad bullet, which is why i use sierra bullets i havent ever had any issues with there stuff but i still wanna try the nosler accubonds.
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Pyro, the situation you describe would be extremely rare.  The partitions are actually designed to expand rapidly and shed the front portion, keeping the rear portion from the partition on back intact to continue penetrating.  You had a very rare occurrence that isn't typical of the Partition and I would wager you'd never see again.

 

The Nosler Accubond is an excellent medium game bullet that combines excellent accuracy with just the right amount of controlled expansion on deer sized animals.  I think you'd be pleased with it.



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yeah ted the bullet was actually taken from me and sent to nosler they ran some tests on it and all they would tell me was that it was a defective bullet, and of course to be a smart ass i said to them at what point in time did the bullet fail in the deers death?? but they never ever did tell what the cause was, and ted i have seen this happen more than once. the other time though it wasnt a nosler it was a sierra bullet, it was years ago,my old man shot a cow elk with his 30-30, upon skining out the elk we recovered what appered to be a .308 cal bullet weighing exactly 150 grains only minor markings were noticed, that particular 30-30 bullet had a very thin lead tip flat nose of course and that was gone other than that a few markings on the side of the bullet i assume from the rifling, and a dead elk, never sent that one in because we didnt care back then.
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