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I spoke to Jon DuMars from Mathews while he was in South Africa 2 weeks ago, and he was amazed at how much our animals vital areas differed from those in USA. Unfortunately I never got a chance to discover how much they do differ. If you look at these shot placement pictures, where would you put a Northen Hemisphere animals vitals?

I took an Impala as I reckon it compares to a Whitetail, a Kudu as sizewise it must be close to an Elk. The Blue Wildebeest and Lion are just thrown in for fun.

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Lion
 
This post is just out of curiosity, although i'd love to come and hunt Whitetail and Elk. I dont see it happening soon.
 
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Here's some info Chris:
 
 
Moose:
 
Black Bear:
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Thanks Dogger
 
Vitals are more or less where i'd expect them to be, just the heart that seems a little further back. The Moose seems a little higher than both the Elk and Whitetail. Our animals hearts sit more forward between the legs, which means you sometimes hit the leg bone with a heart shot. I take it that the position of the vitals has more to do with Northern Hemisphere animals surviving the cold, where as our's have more heat to contend with.
 
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 I have a couple minor points of criticism of your diagrams, Chris.

 In my opinion, the colored ones with the hoofprints at the corner look to be quite accurate and fairly true to reality compared to North American game of similar size/ shape/appearance/Order/Family/Genus, etc.
 The vitals seem to be shown just a touch further forward than reality, except on the Wildebeest poster.
 
The black and white Moose is drawn somewhat poorly. Also, the liver is shown somewhat lower than it really is.
 
And lastly; the elk target shows three red dot "aiming points". The center one will result in a kill; the others will reslt in wounded game. One way too high and one way too low! It shows the lower one nicking the bottom of the heart, but it also shows the heart lower in the chest cavity than it really is. 
 
Good thread, BTW- this is an important topic for hunters to discuss and study.
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Heh Ron thanks for the input the whole reason I started the thread was to learn something about game in the Northern Hemisphere, and mabye help a few novice hunters learn something too.
 
I scaned the images out of a shot placement book for African game, and  I can asure you that if you come to Africa you will find the vitals as they are in the diagrams. I have tried to learn as much as I can about the positions of differnt animals vital areas. To improve my hunting and to kill as quickly and humanely as possible.
 
As for Doggers diagrams on the vitals I cant vouch for anything. But I agree with you that this is an important topic amongst Hunters.
 
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 Oh I'm sorry-for some reason I thought you had posted all those diagrams, Chris. I didn't
 mean to crack on you for Dogger's crayon drawings!   Devil
 
 Edited to add:
Actually they are accurate as well, except for the moose, and my point of contention regarding the suggested aiming points on the elk.


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Hi Ronk that's no problem, I'm here to learn as much as i can. That bottom point on the Elk seems really low, might have a long follow up. My experience is that a high heart shot, kills much quicker.
 
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Ron, the high aim point on the Elk,I believe, is for the spine. Hard to hit, but it is a DRT shot!
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Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

Ron, the high aim point on the Elk,I believe, is for the spine. Hard to hit, but it is a DRT shot!
 
 
Nope.
 Look at the wildebeest diagram to see about where the spine REALLY is between the shoulder bldes. It lies MUCH lower there than most hunters think it does; about halfway down , depending on the species, and also a bit deceptive depending on winter hair , mane,etc. It also changes a little with the animal's head position, moving slightly lower when the head is down.
 I once killed a deer wounded by others, that had been shot through the top front edge of both shoulder blades (and well OVER the spine). He was oviously in a lot of pain, but keeping up to the others he was with.
 I shot him about one-third of the way up between  bottom of brisket and top of back, and chopped off the big arteries above the heart. He rolled at the shot.
 edited to add:
 I agree that that is what they are trying to show as a spine shot, but I stand by my opinion that it is shown too high, though not quite as high as I first implied.


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Here is a book available from www.safaripress.com about shot placement in North America
 
There are a few books available about African game as well if anybody fancies a hunt here in Africa.
 
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