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It is a viable option, but a little too much money. If I did more flash photography it would be at the to of the list.

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From the specs and other info I'm seeing about the Z7, there may very well be one of those in my future this winter. I was planning to eventually get another full frame body to replace my D800, but was holding off on pulling the trigger on a D850 because I heard the rumor they were working on a FF mirrorless and was waiting to see what they came up with. I just wish it had 2 card slots. I don't understand that decision. I'm also not very impressed with the expected battery life specs, but I can overcome that with a few extra backup batteries. Other than those 2 issues, at least on paper, it looks like it might go toe to toe with the D850. I wonder if its C-AF accuracy will rival their pro-level DSLRs? Despite improvements in mirrorless cameras, that still seems to be the Achilles heel of the contrast detection AF in mirrorless bodies vs phase detection in DSLRs. I like the fact that they added in-body stabilization, and apparently either they have some version of the 5-axis body-lens sync stabilization that Oly uses or the 5-axis is completely in-body, simulating the same performance and making lens stabilization unnecessary(?)

After seeing that the new Z mount is larger than the F mount and reading their reasoning behind the design change, it makes good sense to me now. They did say that use of the adapter retained full functional use of F lenses, which is great news.
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If I were you I would give it another year or so.  This is not where I would want to be a first adopter.  Early impressions of the AF are a bit mixed, so I would give them some time to fix that.

Most higher end mirrorless cameras these days use a combination of on-sensor PDAF and CAF (except for Panasonic's DFD), but there is a fair amount of know-how there.  Nikon was a bit ahead of the game in that regard with their One system, but then they stopped development, so now they have some catchup to do.

In principle, it is a superior system to the flopping mirrors of DSLRs, but in practice, it will take alittle more time to perfect it.  

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Scrumbag Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/28/2018 at 12:48
I must admit, my old Pentax digital SLRs are looking a bit dated... this could be tempting..

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I spent some time digging through all of the available info on the Z6/Z7 launch and it is a little bipolar, as is fairly common for Nikon.

I think Nikon engineers, did a much better job than Nikon marketing people did, which is also not uncommon for Nikon.

There is a bunch of really weird product decisions there, but overall it is more good than bad.

I think Nikon is going to succeed with these despite their intrepid marketing department doing their best to screw things up.

That having been said, if you are in the market for a new camera and you are looking at these, I suggest you wait just a little bit until the first adopters get their hands on them.  

Also, while these cameras are going to work very well with legacy lenses, expect the autofocus in low light to be a little weak.  If low light is one of the things you do, expect to buy one of the new lenses native to the Z mount.  On the good side, both 35mm and 50mm primes look extremely promising.

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Only issue with the native lenses at the moment are non of them are fast. Their solutions will not be available until next year. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote koshkin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/30/2018 at 11:03
It will take time.

Be mindful of the F/1.8 primes though.  I expect them to have the best corner performance of all Nikon lenses to date.

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I will say that if I were a dedicated Nikon shooter, I would be slowly divesting my F-mount lenses and replacing them with newer stuff as it arrives.

Nikon seems to have intentionally hamstrung some things in their AF, presumably in order to keep their DSLRs alive for a little longer.

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I won't be an early adopter - I'm going to have to limp along for a few years with the D850 I picked up last fall. 

As for the legacy lenses, I'm finding that just a handful of my older lenses live up to the potential of the 46MP sensor that the D850 shares with the Z cameras.  So, even with a flawless F/Z adapter, many of the older "legacy" lenses may not measure up well on the mirrorless cameras anyway.


Kind of a conundrum, I don't have many G or E lenses and although the 105mm 1.4 looks pretty tempting, I doubt that I'll be picking up any new F-mount lenses now.  The number of Z lenses scheduled for release looks pretty limited though and the range of focal lengths that will be offered runs from 14mm to only 200mm.  I wonder if longer Z telephoto lenses would have to be pretty huge.  The planned 58mm 0.95 Noct sure stands out and looks pretty intriguing but, at an estimated $6,000 MSRP, I'll never see one.  My cherished 58mm 1.2 Noct works quite well with the 46MP sensor anyway and hopefully would cross over to the mirrorless world too.


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For telephoto lenses there will be no practical size difference between F-mount and Z-mount lenses.  As you pointed out, not all lenses can perform to the full potential of a very high resolution sensor like in Z7 or D850.

There will be a significant difference in the design of wide angle and low f/# lenses.

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Both of those cameras have variations in the sub-menu and you don't have to shoot at maximum. You could change the megapixel ration down to DX format.

I'm not saying that I would do that, because I like having that available as an option. 

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Originally posted by Skylar McMahon Skylar McMahon wrote:

Both of those cameras have variations in the sub-menu and you don't have to shoot at maximum. You could change the megapixel ration down to DX format.

I'm not saying that I would do that, because I like having that available as an option. 


That will help a little, but not all that much.  With older lenses it is not just a matter of corner performance, but simply insufficient resolution for the pixel pitch.

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