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I'm interested in getting a scope for a new Browning A Bolt .338 Win Mag.  I'm considering the Nikon Monarchs (2.5-10x50 or 4-16X50), Zeiss Conquest, Leupold, or Kahles all is similar ranges.  I've heard a lot of good words on the Zeiss and last year they looked great to me.  I compared the Zeiss with a Nikon last week and just really couldn't telll the difference except the Nikon actually looked a bit brighter.  I think i got them focused alright but I was somewhat surprised as the Zeiss's are a bit of a jump in price from the Nikon's and it didn't seem like my eyes could tell.  I haven't looked at the Leupolds or Kahles other than online.  I'd heard Kahles are probably in line with the Zeiss as a generally comparable scope quality.  I'm not locked into the 50mm but thought it might be worth a bit extra for a bit more light.  I plan to use it for elk hunting.  I typically don't shoot long shots but want something that I could if need be shoot out to 400 or 450 at most. (unless I find the time to do a lot of practicing.....with the .338 that could be pricey as well)  Any opinions on these scopes would be appreciated.  Thanks, Doug
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What's your budget??
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I'm hoping for under $500 but I know Kahles and Zeiss will be a bit above that.  I did bid about $550 on a Kahles a week ago on ebay and decided that would be tops for me.   I just don't think getting a more expensive scope will make me more successful!  Trouble is if I look at more expensive scopes, they seem to keep calling my name!
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422104M Bushnell 2.5-10x40 Elite 4200 Rifle Scope                                                                               Bushnell 2.5-10x40 Elite 4200 Rifle Scope
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Out of the scopes you listed I threw out the Kahles and focused on the Nikon, Leupold and Zeiss. I wasn't sure if you wanted 40mm or 50mm but your post looked like you were considering at 50mm. The Nikon will be under budget. The Leupold and Zeiss almost $100.00 more.

Personally I think you'll be best served with the Leupold on your .338

Nikon 2.5-10x50

8416 Nikon 2.5-10x50 Monarch Riflescope                                                                                      Nikon 2.5-10x50 Monarch Riflescope
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LEU66270 Leupold 3.5-10x50 VX-3 Riflescope                                                                                       Leupold 3.5-10x50 VX-3 Riflescope
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Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 (50mm was a lot more). The rapid-z reticle is sweet.

5214609971 Zeiss 3-9x40 Conquest Rifle Scope                                                                                       Zeiss 3-9x40 Conquest Rifle Scope
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Originally posted by COLOelkman COLOelkman wrote:

I'm interested in getting a scope for a new Browning A Bolt .338 Win Mag. 
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I compared the Zeiss with a Nikon last week and just really couldn't telll the difference except the Nikon actually looked a bit brighter. 
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it didn't seem like my eyes could tell.
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I'm not locked into the 50mm but thought it might be worth a bit extra for a bit more light.
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I plan to use it for elk hunting. 
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I typically don't shoot long shots
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but want something that I could if need be shoot out to 400 or 450 at most.
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Any opinions on these scopes would be appreciated. 
... Thanks, Doug
 
Mr. Doug,
 
It seems to me you are not only on the right path, but a good way along it.  You used your own eyes to compare 2 scopes, & your eyes told you what none of ours can:  which scope your eyes like better!  It would be like us telling you to go buy Reeboks, when you feel far more comfortable in New Balance shoes.
 
One part of your post I'd ask you about is the 50mm objective.  True, larger glass can let in more light, but unless you're stepping-up in price, it likely won't appear as bright as a higher-quality scope with 40mm glass.  One other point about the 50mm is whether or not you'll be hunting these elk from horseback.  Saddle scabbards generally aren't built to accommodate larger scopes, so there could be some "fit" issues.
 
I might also ask about magnification.  4-16 isn't out of the ballpark, but even a 9x scope will make a 450 shot seem like 50 yards with iron sights.  So, the same $500 or less would buy a much better optic than a 4-16x50, and it would still seem to do all you're likely to ask of it.
 
It seems, based on what you've told us, that you might be very well served by any of the 3-9x40 scopes out there, or even a high quality fixed 6 power scope.  Actually, the "tweener scopes" that Koshkin mentions might be just perfect.  Check out that thread from a few days back.
 
Good Luck,
 
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On a .338 Mag I would want maximum eye relief so I would go with the Zeiss Conquest 3-9X40 with the plex reticle.  I think that is under budget and its an awesome scope - have one on my Son's .270!  You won't be disappointed

Zeiss 3-9x40 Conquest Rifle Scope

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Length (in): 13.15
Eye Relief (in): 4
Field of View @ 100yds (ft): 34 - 11
Exit Pupil (mm): 13.3 - 4.4

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you might even consider this one and it's $100 less!
 

Zeiss 2.5-8x32 Conquest Rifle Scope

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Length (in): 12.2
Eye Relief (in): 4
Field of View @ 100yds (ft): 39.9 - 13.2
Exit Pupil (mm): 12.8 - 4

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I also like the 2.5X16X42 Bushnell Elite 6500. I believe it can be purchased for around $550.
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I think Tip is dead on with the Conquests 3X9X40.  IMHO.
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You guys didn't like my Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 with rapid-Z recommendation? Sad   Just kidding!! The z-plex reticle brings down the price below the $500.00 budget and the scope itself is an excellent choice for most applications. Thunbs Up
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I think one would be very well served with any of the above recommendations.  All are high quality scopes. 
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I think one would be very well served with any of the above recommendations.  All are high quality scopes. 


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I can actually only recommend to look at them outside of the store in natural light, preferably in the evening, and pick the one that looks best to you. The Conquest glass just kind of "speaks" to me, but maybe your eyes speak Nikon.
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Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

422104M Bushnell 2.5-10x40 Elite 4200 Rifle Scope                                                                               Bushnell 2.5-10x40 Elite 4200 Rifle Scope
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10+ on this one.  I have this on my SAV 270cal and it is extremely bright and clear,  95% light transmission with the new coating.  Its an excellent scope for the $, I am tickled pink!
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I forgot to mention that the Bushnell 4200 line of scopes are all BIG KICKER certified
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

I forgot to mention that the Bushnell 4200 line of scopes are all BIG KICKER certified



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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

I forgot to mention that the Bushnell 4200 line of scopes are all BIG KICKER certified



 
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I also compared a similar spec zeiss conquest and nikon monarch. To my eyes, the nikon also seems to have a brighter image than the zeiss at low magnification (10x or under), at high/max magnification though(20x ), the zeiss has a better contrast image. To each his own though as everyone's eyes are most likely different in big or little ways. I even notice slight difference in color contrast image perception between my right and left eye. Whacko
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Originally posted by Chuck Norris Chuck Norris wrote:

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

I forgot to mention that the Bushnell 4200 line of scopes are all BIG KICKER certified



 
You called?
 
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Originally posted by Chuck Norris Chuck Norris wrote:

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

I forgot to mention that the Bushnell 4200 line of scopes are all BIG KICKER certified



 
You called?
UhOh, someone has a lefthander going....and from the looks of things...its pretty good.  Bucky
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For a general purpose scope used for hunting in daylight/twilight hours I have had good luck with the following, preferably with a BDC type reticle
 
Leupold VX-II 3-9x40
Bushnell 4200 3-9x40
Bushnell 4200 2.5-10x40
Nikon Monarch 2.5-10x42
 
of these I personally consider the Bushnell 4200 3-9x40 as the best value for $ spent.
 
I don't go with 50mm/56mm unless I'm doing very low light hunting.
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how bout a Sightron?   HAHAHAHA
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Originally posted by brodeur272 brodeur272 wrote:

how bout a Sightron?   HAHAHAHA



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What happened to Kahles?  One person "threw out Kahles" with no rason and no explanation and everyone else buys in and follows this guys lead.  What gives?  I happen to think that the Kahles KX American scopes are great scopes and are better than any (any, period!) of the scopes mentioned in this thread.  Are you guys a bunch of sheep who follow one "opinion maker" opinionated person who statea predudice no reason it?
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