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    Posted: September/26/2007 at 22:20
I have a nikon monarch on my 300wsm. My groups have been eradic. I'm going to try a different scope this weekend. And yes, i have tried different combos of powder/weight and bullet weights. I was just wondering if they have any rep for not handling recoil?

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Is this their new model or the currently discontinued model?

 

Did you check the torque on all the screws on the mount?

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a little loctite on those screws will help I bet.
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I use a Nikon Monarch 2.5X8 EER every so often as scout scope mounted on my 300 WSM Ruger Frontier Mk2, short barreled compact. Haven`t had any problems let alone from any recoil. That is not like a Nikon Monarch to have recoil related problems......My little shorty has some goooood amount of recoil too. I`d check your scope mounts and the rings to make 100% sure they are tight!!!
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i have had a nikon buckmaster and the burris ffii on my 300wsm and neither have had issues im guessing check everything over for being tight even the stock  screws, what weight of bullets are you using??
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I had that problem before and I found out it wasn't the scope but it was the mounts I was using.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shooter31 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September/27/2007 at 10:52
I am using leupold qrw bases and rings, they are tight. 180gr and 165 gr. bullets. I guess i'll see after this weekend if it's one of those fluke scopes or not a scope issue at all.
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i would try factory ammo, if you haven't already - THEN remount and check the bases/rings -

 

what make/model of gun is it?

 

i have had good luck w/ nikons and haven't ever heard of one failing under recoil before.

 

you never know though.

 

i would try factory loads and remounting first.

 

let us know.

 

welcome to the OT.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RONK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September/27/2007 at 21:00

 

  All good advice, above. If the rig has shot well previously, and you aren't flinching or something, I would put copper-fouling of the bore near the top of the list of suspects; right behind loose screws. Rule those out, and then proceed to crown and bedding issues, as urimaginaryfrnd suggested. 

  I kind of doubt that it's the scope itself causing trouble, but anything's possible until you rule it out. Trying a different scope of PROVEN quality is a great way to start narrowing things down. Now just keep us posted on your progress, dammit! 

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Tried Win. Supreme Elite3 180grs. already, Gun is a win. 70 Coyote Lite. Bought new, fired 1 cleaned,that 3 times, then 5 rounds and cleaned, now cleaning every 10 rounds.
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Originally posted by Shooter31 Shooter31 wrote:

My groups have been eradic.

 

Define "eradic". 

 

When a scope "gives up the ghost" in my experience, the whole group size goes from a 3 shot MOA group for example, to being a 1" or more between each shot. The more I shoot, the wider the group gets.

A Conquest that went south on me was shooting MOA before and 3-4 MOA after 10 more rounds. 

 

Waht range are you shooting now?? Can you shoot a shorter distance like 50 yards and check it from there??     

Do you have a spare scope you could switch out??



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In 5 shot groups at 100yds. usually there are 2 sets of 2 that are 1 1/2- 3" apart and 1 by itself within 2-3" of the sets. (the 2 in each set are close,almost touching). Does the same when I shoot, and with 2 other friends. I am trying a different scope sat. and see if thats the problem.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by Shooter31 Shooter31 wrote:

My groups have been eradic.

 

Define "eradic". 

 

When a scope "gives up the ghost" in my experience, the whole group size goes from a 3 shot MOA group for example, to being a 1" or more between each shot. The more I shoot, the wider the group gets.

A Conquest that went south on me was shooting MOA before and 3-4 MOA after 10 more rounds. 

 

Waht range are you shooting now?? Can you shoot a shorter distance like 50 yards and check it from there??     

Do you have a spare scope you could switch out??

 

 (I think he meant "erotic", but I'm not really sure.)

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erratic

 

 

 

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  I know, I was just funnin' !

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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

how do you funnin???

 

 

 Well, to clarify this mess, cheaptrick and I were just making childish fun of the original poster's "creative spelling" of the word "erratic". 

 

 Now, will someone with some common decency please ignore this goofy nonsense and offer something useful to help this poor fellow ?  Thank you! 



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dude i totally was following your guys lead!
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This is more like a lesson in descrete comedy than optics.
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Originally posted by Remington700VS Remington700VS wrote:

This is more like a lesson in descrete comedy than optics.

 

  Define "descrete".    

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Discrete: detached, separate, disconnected, different or individually distinct

  

You poked fun with the word erotic, which is detached, disconnected, different and seperated from the topic.

 

P.S. So what if I spelled discrete wrong the first time I used it, after all I'm only human.

 

 



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Originally posted by Remington700VS Remington700VS wrote:

Discrete: detached, separate, disconnected, different or individually distinct

  

You poked fun with the word erotic, which is detached, disconnected, different and seperated from the topic.

 

P.S. So what if I spelled discrete wrong the first time I used it, after all I'm only human.

 

 

 

Hee hee!  This is getting more fun by the minute!  I thought you were trying to say  "DISCREET" as in "unobtrusive, prudent, judicious in one's conduct and speech".

  I was still right to slap you though, for spelling "discrete" incorrectly. (Heck, until this morning, I didn't even know what that word meant! ) 

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Well, it's not the scope. Now I'm just back to checking the basics, and keep trying diff. loads.
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Shooter31.............Are you trying different factory loads or different reloads??? It appeared to me in one of your earlier posts, that you were using Winchester factory ammo! Possible?...........With my 300 WSM, I have cut down the size of my groups with my reloads. My factory rounds gave me 2" to 3 1/2" for 3 shot groups. With my hunting reloads I now get 1.30" or less... Have you tried RL19 or 22 yet?
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