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Is it my luck,Thumbs Down This past month I counted three Nikon scopes fail, 2 Monarch 1 Buckmaster .All these incidents occurred with Phillopino made scopes.I noticed a numerous amount of scopes for sale on the Sample list that are refurbs.Is anyone else noticing this happen?.   
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ive been using them for almost 10 years and havent had a failure yet, two have been on 6lb 300wsm's at one point or another. and one now sits on a .264 win mag and another sits on a 6.5 rem mag. cheaptrick i believe had one on a .300rum and had no trouble. luck of the draw man luck of the draw.

the reason there are so many on the sample list is because swfa buys them up as refurbs and sells them again, not because people are in a mass ditching of nikon mode.


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I have a Japanese Nikon Monarch no problems ever.Just these three blew a seal,I had taken these on a hunting trip, might be the cabin pressure?
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you took them on a plane is what your saying??
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Yes airborne they were.
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who knows with the airlines, all bets are off when you fly, i think chris said he had troubles with a swaro scope a few years back after an airplane trip, but his lost zero, i dont know if it was acutally broken though.
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Strange how this comes up after a thread about Sightron.....Roll Eyes
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My wife and I have had a couple of Phillipines-made Monarchs go whacky. Can't ever remember having a problem with one of the Japanese ones.

A friend went on a hunt a couple years ago on Texas. He had new Monarchs on both his rifles, and zeroed them at home on his own range. He drove 250 miles on an Interstate highway with both rifles in steel cases, and when he got to the ranch he was hunting both rifles needed to be zeroed again.

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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Stiring The Pot
 
 
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Strange how this comes up after a thread about Sightron.....Roll Eyes
If you read the statement...I have no PROBLEM with Nikon... Ironic how the Japanese Nikon I own work fine.They might be made in the same factory as the Sightron's!!!  
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Originally posted by hunter12345 hunter12345 wrote:

If you read the statement...I have no PROBLEM with Nikon... Ironic how the Japanese Nikon I own work fine.They might be made in the same factory as the Sightron's!!!  
I did read it. I also fully understood your motive.
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Originally posted by hunter12345 hunter12345 wrote:

If you read the statement...I have no PROBLEM with Nikon... Ironic how the Japanese Nikon I own work fine.They might be made in the same factory as the Sightron's!!!  
I did read it. I also fully understood your motive.LocoCencored
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Cyborg!! You got that right!!

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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Stiring The Pot
 
 
Horse Poop
 
Strange how this comes up after a thread about Sightron.....Roll Eyes
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CYBORG & DSHUSKER think this was an elaborate scheme to knock Nikon!Mad
Originally posted by John Barsness John Barsness wrote:

My wife and I have had a couple of Phillipines-made Monarchs go whacky. Can't ever remember having a problem with one of the Japanese ones.

A friend went on a hunt a couple years ago on Texas. He had new Monarchs on both his rifles, and zeroed them at home on his own range. He drove 250 miles on an Interstate highway with both rifles in steel cases, and when he got to the ranch he was hunting both rifles needed to be zeroed again.

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No I think it is an amateurish attempt to stir up a pot that doesn't need stirring. You need to keep track of all the misstatements, wild claims, and backtracking you have done the past several months. You seem to have this on-going need to reassure yourself that your purchase of a Big Sky wasn't a mistake. It is a good scope. Let it rest.  There are plenty of good scopes out there. Amen.
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Originally posted by Dshusker Dshusker wrote:

No I think it is an amateurish attempt to stir up a pot that doesn't need stirring. You need to keep track of all the misstatements, wild claims, and backtracking you have done the past several months. You seem to have this on-going need to reassure yourself that your purchase of a Big Sky wasn't a mistake. It is a good scope. Let it rest.  There are plenty of good scopes out there. Amen.

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Originally posted by Dshusker Dshusker wrote:

No I think it is an amateurish attempt to stir up a pot that doesn't need stirring. You need to keep track of all the misstatements, wild claims, and backtracking you have done the past several months. You seem to have this on-going need to reassure yourself that your purchase of a Big Sky wasn't a mistake. It is a good scope. Let it rest.  There are plenty of good scopes out there. Amen.
 
 Well-stated, Dhusker!
 
 It gets really old very quickly.
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Mr Barsness thank you for your honest response.Excellent
Originally posted by John Barsness John Barsness wrote:

My wife and I have had a couple of Phillipines-made Monarchs go whacky. Can't ever remember having a problem with one of the Japanese ones.

A friend went on a hunt a couple years ago on Texas. He had new Monarchs on both his rifles, and zeroed them at home on his own range. He drove 250 miles on an Interstate highway with both rifles in steel cases, and when he got to the ranch he was hunting both rifles needed to be zeroed again.

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I've got a couple of factory rejects from the nikon monarch line which i've acquired for my friends and despite being rejects, they hold well and the owners so far have no complain by it. However, i must admit that two of them complained about shift in poi. After analyzing tough, it was because they zeroed their rigs under 50 meters and they were not paying attention to eye placement and not following thru with their hold with their make shift bench setup. When they shoot from the bench, they hit the target dead on, but when they shoot from the field, it hits precisely at a different POI from their zero. I guess what i'm trying to say that sometimes when casual or amature shooters complain about change in POI after zeroing their rigs, it's because of such little things as improper/inconsistent shooting position, eye placement, or hold in the field as compared to the bench. Big Grin
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Originally posted by FunShot FunShot wrote:

I've got a couple of factory rejects from the nikon monarch line which i've acquired for my friends and despite being rejects, they hold well and the owners so far have no complain by it. However, i must admit that two of them complained about shift in poi. After analyzing tough, it was because they zeroed their rigs under 50 meters and they were not paying attention to eye placement and not following thru with their hold with their make shift bench setup. When they shoot from the bench, they hit the target dead on, but when they shoot from the field, it hits precisely at a different POI from their zero. I guess what i'm trying to say that sometimes when casual or amature shooters complain about change in POI after zeroing their rigs, it's because of such little things as improper/inconsistent shooting position, eye placement, or hold in the field as compared to the bench. Big Grin
 How (and more importantly why) does Nikon market "factory rejects"?
 Are they permanently stamped as such?
 Bad business practice, if this is true.
Any truly defective scope (other than cosmetic blemishes), should go in the scrap bin, or the company name will suffer eventually.
 
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I have seen that myself on several occasions.
 
However, the rifles that shifted point of impact after an Interstate highway trip inside steel cases were owned by a professional gunsmith who fires thousands of rounds a year, and has his own indoor 100-yard range. I was there when he shot them at the Texas ranch, and they were several inches off at 100 yards.
 
In the case of one scope that went sproing on my wife's .240 Weatherby, we had sighted it in here in Montana, then drove down to Wyoming on a pronghorn hunt. In Wyoming it was shooting a foot left, after a road trip of 500 miles inside a case. She tried to sight it in again, and was getting there when all of a sudden the next shot went 15 inches high at 100 yards. She is an excellent shot, usually shooting 1000-1500 rounds or so at prairie dogs each year, and it was indeed the scope. She ended up using another rifle on the hunt, taking her pronghorn with one shot at 280 yards.
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I have a Nikon Laser IRT which has been bounced between several different rifles.  Very easy to rezero and never a change in POI afterwards.  I also have a Nikon binocular (don't tell anyone, it will ruin my reputation).  That binocular has seen some rough pounding, serves as part of a rifle rest at times, and works great.  A significant amount of research was involved in making a decision to purchase Nikon products.  
Is there some point to all this?  My experience with these only proves that I got really good ones (I guess that does bode well for some potential buyers).  My gunsmith sells Nikon, only scope he sells because he believes so much in the product... former Marine sniper, btw.  Every scope maker has failures, but it doesn't mean they have particular quality problems.  I have seen members here, after a sample of one, proclaim ALL products made by XXX as POS.  I have also seen the opposite.  Nikon, I know, makes a good product.  Some of the others discussed here I cannot speak to.  I would definitely purchase more Nikon products.  Jury is still out on whether I would purchase Sightron.  Doesn't make Sightron good or bad.  
It is a good point that shooter capability could be as important as product quality. 
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Seems like I remember posted somewhere on this forum that the Monarch had one of the lowest return rates in the industry.
Was it like 5 percent or something along those lines.
I realize those numbers mean squat to someone who's had one go tits up, but my Nikon experience has been totally satisfactory.

Hunter123, are you a Sightron spook or just a leg humper?
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 Almost any Police marksman/sharpshooter will tell you that logging many miles in the trunk of a cruiser will often shake apart the toughest scope in a  surprisingly short amount of time.

 Even "smooth" highway miles,
Even in a well-padded hardcase.
 It just happens.
 "Road noise", hi-frequency vibration,-who knows?
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