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I am looking at getting  a scope for my savage 110 in 308

what do you think is better the Nikon tactical 4-16x50 or the IOR  3-18x50 Tactical 35mm

or even the 6-24.

 

I will just be using this rifle for deer hunting I think my longist shot is going to be around 50 yards.....

Just kidding I am going to be using this rifle for shooting 300 to 1,000 yards.    

 

Is the glass a lot better in the IOR or is it about the same?

The MP8 retical looks interesting does it work a lot better then normal mildots or is it just a personal thing?

 

 

Thanks for your help!

Jeremy  

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I own an IOR Tactical 35mm 6x24 50mm and have a friend who has a Nikon Tactical 4x16 50mm.  I really like the Nikon model and it's a good scope for the price.  From what I remember there isn't a huge range of adjustment for that scope & intended application(s).  Many in tactical shooting circles feel this is it's Achilles heel, so to speak.  With this being said, I believe that the IOR glass is superior to that of the Nikon Tactical.  I also like the MP8 reticle better than the standard mil-dot used in the Nikon.  Just my opinion in both glass quality & reticle preference.  I mean this honestly when I say that (again, MY opinion) there is only one "tactical" scope in the world better than the IOR 35mm for under $1,500.  That is the Nightforce NXS & it's only better by the tiniest of margins (clarity in the NXS is amazing & the reliability is proven). 

I would say that the IOR is worth every penny and is certainly "better" than the Nikon Tactical.  However, the Nikon is no sloutch & has served many a shooter well on the range.

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Thanks for your advice!

Anyone else have any personal experence with the IOR 35mm scopes?

 

I know this is a personal question but what do you guys think would be a better choice the 3-18 or the 6-24? the only reason I am considering the 24 is becasue I hear that the mils are set for 10x on both models so with the 6-24 I could put it on 20x and have a huge advantage for ranging. and with the 18 power one I could only use it on 10x

 

Oh one other reason for the 24x would be for target shooting at 100 yards.  

 

I know that 24x is more scope then I need for most stuff but then again is it better to have 3x or 6x as the minimum? Will I really need 3x?

let me know what you guys think.

 

Thanks again for all your help here on optics talk!

 

Jeremy  

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I have 2-12x32 35mm IOR and I am very happy with it.

IOR glas is, IMO, better than Nikon Tactical.

Personally, I think 3-18x is more versatile, but if this is going to be strictly for target shooting, then there is no real disadvantage with going with 6-24x.

As for the magnification difference keep in mind that there is a 100% difference between 6x and 3x while only a 33% difference between 18x and 24x.

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I'd say the IOR 3-18 would be the beter choice.  the Nikon doesnt have very much internal adjustment. A Leupold Mark 4 4.5-14 has 100MOA  of internal adjustment use that as your measuring stick.

 

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200y

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300y

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400y

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500y

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600y

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700y

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800y

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Thanks for the info.

I think if I remember right the load I am using takes 48to 49 moa to get to 1,000 yards so as long as I still have lets say 50 moa after zeroing the rifle then I am good.

 

I dont plan to shoot past 1,000 years ever and if I change my mind I can just use the retical for extra elevation.

 

the range that I shoot at has a 550 yeard target but thats as far as I can shoot around here except for where I go hunting... out there I could shoot as far as I feel like.

 

I have been talking to Koshkin about going with the 6-24 just because I would be able to range on 10x and 20x 

with the 3-18 I could only range on 10x and when it gets far out it is really hard for me to accuratly range on 10x

 

I also believe that it would help a lot because on 20x I would have 1/4th mil marks so going down to 1/8th a mil would be really easy.  

 

do you guys think it would be worth it to sacrfice the low end magnifaction of the 3-18 for the extra ranging of the 6-24? (weight is not an issue for me)

 

Thanks so much for all your help!

Jeremy

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I have to recommend the 6x24 as that's what I have and I don't miss the lack of sub 6x magnification. 

That's just me for my uses.  Bottom line is you're getting an amazing scope either way...

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IOR is by far better than the nikon, I would consider the nikon a good deal if it was about 100$ cheaper
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My scopes are Leu Mk4 8.5-25x50 ,  Leu Mk4 10x40 M3,  SS20x,   SS10x, VXIII  4.5-14x50   I find that I am drawn to the higher powers but in practical use in the field I think the 4.5-14x50 or in your case 3-18 is really the right choice. Is 6x so powerful that it is hard to work with no and I'll bet it is a whole lot easier than my 8.5 but then I figured that if I was working with a fixed 10x the 8.5 is less power than that and it could be done. So it is a choice you have to make but if I was buying it I would go 3-18.   The chance that you will need to shoot something under 100 yards is much higher than the chance that you will need to shoot something over 600 yds.
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