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Hi. just noticed the nikon omega has an eye relief of 5" constant. now da question...
 
is it OK for  a .300wsm ?
is it a good scope?
 
 
 
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Good scope, but I'm not sure the circles will work with your centerfire rifle, friend.
I'd suggest the Monarch or Buckmaster with the BDC, which is made specifically for centerfire rifles. The Monarch will have 4" of fixed ER.  
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I have been at the range helping a buddy get ready for an elk hunt. His TC Bone Collector kicks pretty hard and the Omega is holding up so far.

CT is right, though. The Omega BDC won't be optimum for a .300.
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thanks for your help guys .
 
I don't care much for the BDC reticule .  I suppose if I know the ballistic of my rifle, I can find the distance of each circle  myself pretty easily
 
but what I'm not sure about is... the recoil from a muzzle in much slower than a 300wsm. muzzles are more like a fast push when  my 300 is like a snapping punch on the shoulder . much greater acceleration imo.
that's why I would like to know from someone who had one mounted on a normal rifle.
I would like to know if the scope will tolerate that pounding  ...
 
thanks again
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It looks like Omega, SlugHunter, and Buckmaster series are pretty much the same thing...have heard of people using the Buckmasters on 300's.

The Team Primos people mention is really cheap and perfectly suited.
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Originally posted by danjojoUSMC danjojoUSMC wrote:


The Team Primos people mention is really cheap and perfectly suited.
 
Excellent suggestion.
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Originally posted by danjojoUSMC danjojoUSMC wrote:

It looks like Omega, SlugHunter, and Buckmaster series are pretty much the same thing...have heard of people using the Buckmasters on 300's.

The Team Primos people mention is really cheap and perfectly suited.
 
do you know if Team Primos approved the omega and slughunter model , or they were referring to the buckmaster only .  I asked because buckmaster is probably different from the 2 others . the buckmaster has an eye relief of 3.6 versus 5 for both the Omega and slughunter.
 
team primos people approve omega for high power rifles?
 
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Yeah, sorry I made it confusing.  Should of said, "The Team Primos, that people always mentioning, is really cheap and perfectly suited."

What kind of shooting do you do?  I know if I had a 300 Win Mag or 300 WSM I would be wanting to do some very long range shooting, would probably get a scope that is higher than 3-9x magnification.

Flat trajectory is really the only reason for the more expensive magnum cartridges. 




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I have a 6x24x40 B&L 4200 now on the gun.  but everywhere in Quebec and Eastern Canada. it is very rare you can make a 300 M. plus shot.  we  hunt in heavy covered area, dense wood, ( with the exception of caribou hunting maybe).  I am willing to sacrifice a long shot ( that will never come) for the wider FOV, and specially for the extra long and therefore saver 5" eye relief.  I really don't like the recoil of big  guns and I have a small scar on my forehead to prove it ...;-)
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A German #4 or equivalent, is going to be better than the BDC in low light environments, such as you described. Some people hunt with a BDC in dense woods, but I'd say they even would concede the reticle is less than ideal.
4" of fixed ER should be enough for even the heavy kickers.
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Definitely what cheaptrick says....you don't need a BDC even for 400 yards, let alone 300.  Any 300WM/WSM load that I've seen will stay +/- 4 inches past 300 yards easy, no need for hold over or turret adjustment.










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You should probably look into trading off that gun to some one who is crazy over magnums and get a 30-06.  More pleasant recoil for you, just as much terminal effectiveness out to your range (and then some), and the ammo is a lot cheaper while being universally more available.

There really is no point if you don't plan to shoot out to 500-800 yards or more, especially if the recoil is bothering you with no added benefit.
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There is nothing wrong with keeping the gun and getting the scope you want, either. The .300 is a fine choice for 400 yard shots at big game.
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yap. you are right.
 
but to be honest with you I have a 30-06 and for me, it's no different that the .300. I fear my 30/30 just as much at my 30-06  just as much as the .300wsm.
what I need is more time to shoot so I could get use to that big noise and shockwave . I have to get used to that half second where I'm not there 100%. hehe
 
anyone here can confirm a Nikon Omega can handle a .300wsm?
 
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The impulse of the front loader may be of longer duration than a center fire. I doubt it though. Black powder burns very quickly whereas smokeless powders build up pressure based on varying burn rates. Regardless, with a 120 gr of 209 Powder it definitely kicks in the same league of many big game rifles I have shot. I would not hesitate to use it on the .300.
But, the Team Primos has better glass for sure. For the bargain price the Primos is going for, I would get that scope.
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i myself prefer the .300win mag to the .300wsm and i have owned both, i still own a .300win mag, less recoil and a heavier rifle. they were both great shooters though. i will recommend you buy a limbsaver recoil pad, they help (20% less recoil) imo. the primos is a nice scope i have one on my .264win mag right now.
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Had 2 Monarchs "fail" on a Savage MLII--250 gr @ 2400 fps. "Failure was the groups would shift at 200yd--in essence getting two groups about 2" apart. Apparently shifting of the reticle under recoil within the limits of movement in the scope. I chose not to return to Nikon as this is probably well under the radar for QC and would only be a waste of shipping. I can only assume that any brand scope can have this occur, however it hass made me look at Nikon with some  skepticism. Chose the scopes for compactness and good optics for small scope. I think the same thing has occured on the Rem 300WSM but its not as clearly defined.
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That sounds pretty close together, how many shots in each of the groups that are 2" apart?  How is the Savage stabilized while performing the shooting?

I would only call that a scope problem if I made sure the scope was torqued down 100% to specs and only touching the rifle with my shooting finger.  Less than MOA shift between my shots at 200 yards with a muzzleloader would make me happy considering the greater variance between shot set up with a muzzleloader.

What are the spreads like with the iron sights?  If you can shoot better groups with iron sights at 200 yards and made sure 100% the scope is locked down then it is a problem.  I would try again and make sure there is no wind that day as well. 

The lightest of wind breezes (just 3mph!) can start throwing those fat bullets 2" or more from your already good groups at 200 yards.  A lot of people treat 200 yards like 100 yards when it comes to wind, they don't think it matters, but it does if you are really testing accuracy.  Hunting out to 200 even with 10-15mph you'll be good, but look all jacked up on a paper target.
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I have an Omega on my 50 cal musket and I dont think much of the glass but it will kill deer. They do make the scope without the BDC though.  What I have on my 375 H&H is a fixed power 6x42  FX3 Leupold and I really like it for heavy recoil.
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