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Nikon Monarch UCC cal'd in True MOA or IPHY? |
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hossdaniels ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() ![]() Joined: December/07/2008 Location: nc Status: Offline Points: 31 |
FWIW, mines uses what it wants. Usually 3 clicks per inch at 100.
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Horsemany ![]() Optics Journeyman ![]() ![]() Joined: February/28/2008 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 643 |
Glad you could join us Jon.
How do you know what scopes I use? Do you shoot competitively? Do you shoot groups small enough to see the difference between MOA and 1"?
Even with "the scopes I use" nobody will notice the difference between 1" and 1.0472" POI change with 4 clicks @100yds. Edited by Horsemany - January/05/2009 at 20:22 |
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rain252 ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() Joined: March/09/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Is it ok if I just feel like knowing because I am curious to know?
I take your answer to be...."No, I don't know or care, and you shouldn't either."
Thank you.
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Horsemany ![]() Optics Journeyman ![]() ![]() Joined: February/28/2008 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 643 |
I didn't mean it that way sir. I am saying I have never owned a scope where one could distinguish a difference of .0472" over 4 clicks @100yds. The input of others here supports my belief as they have stated the click values vary. I shoot benchrest and I can tell you that has never come up even in that game where we judge ourselves on hundreth's of an inch. We shoot for score too(not group sizes). That means the accuracy and precision of scope adjustments are crucial. And still this .0472" is not an issue. I've shot box tests on most of the scopes I own (some are higher end Zeiss, Swaro) and the adjustments are never perfect. I shoot the boxes on grid paper so it's quite obvious. Welcome to the forum. |
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rifle looney ![]() Optics Master ![]() Joined: November/21/2008 Status: Offline Points: 2553 |
.....OMG!.....again?
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Horsemany ![]() Optics Journeyman ![]() ![]() Joined: February/28/2008 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 643 |
Is this a common topic? Or do you mean me?
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rain252 ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() Joined: March/09/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Thanks for the information, Sir. I appreciate it.
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Jon A ![]() Optics Journeyman ![]() ![]() Joined: March/14/2008 Location: Everett, WA Status: Offline Points: 660 |
I was simply taking your word for it. You said "scopes' internal adjustments are not precise enough." If the scopes you have owned or used which led you to this conclusion (why else would you say it?) did not have precise enough adjustments, who am I to say you're wrong? Forgive me for giving you the benefit of the doubt.
No.
Yes.
From where did you get the maximum range of 100 yds or the maximum input of 4 clicks at a time? They were not in the question. For example, a load in my 7-08 takes 31 MOA of adjustment to get to 1000 yds. That 5% error, 31 TIMES OVER adds up to being off by roughly 15". You don't need to be a "competetive shooter" to shoot groups small enough to notice that amount of error--do you notice when you to miss whatever you're shooting at every single time? Even at a modest 650 yds, the error is nearly 6" which is unacceptable even on very large targets. If hunting varmints, thinking your scope adjusts in one unit instead of the other can cause misses anywhere beyond 300 yds. This matters to some people. Maybe that's why he's asking. Do you really think he's asking because he's worried about .047" at 100 yds? |
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trigger29 ![]() Optics Master Extraordinaire ![]() ![]() X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ? Joined: September/29/2007 Location: South Dakota Status: Offline Points: 4341 |
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pyro6999 ![]() Optics Retard ![]() ![]() OT TITAN Joined: December/22/2006 Location: North Dakota Status: Offline Points: 22034 |
are you kidding me or what? |
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Dale Clifford ![]() Optics Jedi Knight ![]() Joined: July/04/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5087 |
my monarchs are moa, the mk4s are IPHY because of the way leo calculates the milradian, all my v3 are moa
the error is enhanced when poorly made sfp scopes with large bells are brought together
Jon prefers ffp and milrad to avoid this problem-- everybody has there way of doing something.
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trigger29 ![]() Optics Master Extraordinaire ![]() ![]() X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ? Joined: September/29/2007 Location: South Dakota Status: Offline Points: 4341 |
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TominCA ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() Joined: September/04/2008 Location: Campbell, CA Status: Offline Points: 38 |
My Monarch 3-9 does not adjust as precisely as my VX3 (absolutely perfect every time!) or my Zeiss Conquest. Its the older style so I cannot speak for the new ones. Because of that I wouldn't worry about MOA or IPHY. They are good scopes for the $$
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Tom in CA
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Horsemany ![]() Optics Journeyman ![]() ![]() Joined: February/28/2008 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 643 |
For the record, that wasn't toward me.
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