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Does anyone know if Nikon uses True MOA or Shooter's MOA (Inch per hundred yards) in their scope?
 
I have a few Nikon Monarch UCC's bought during the big Nikon sale about a year ago and have been wondering about that.
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Do you really think you could tell the difference?  Scopes internal adjustments are not precise enough to see a few thousandths of an inch @100 yds.
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FWIW, mines uses what it wants.  Usually 3 clicks per inch at 100.
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Maybe mine is defective, but sometimes it's .25, sometimes .50, sometimes .33 IPHY. I don't know whats going on, but it certainly doesn't track like long range target scope.
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This is interesting guys. I have a few Monarchs with standard plex reticles. I haven't bothered with box testing, but they have pretty much moved as I expected when sighting in, 1/4" per click. They haven't lost zero, either.

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Originally posted by Horsemany Horsemany wrote:

Do you really think you could tell the difference?  Scopes internal adjustments are not precise enough to see a few thousandths of an inch @100 yds.

The scopes you're used to using, possibly not.

Rain, the only way to know for sure what you have is to measure.  A colliminator/boresighter is the easiest way but a yardstick at 100 yds will do and is pretty convenient.

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Glad you could join us Jon. 
 
How do you know what scopes I use?  Do you shoot competitively?  Do you shoot groups small enough to see the difference between MOA and 1"? 
 
Even with "the scopes I use" nobody will notice the difference between 1" and 1.0472" POI change with 4 clicks @100yds.


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Originally posted by Horsemany Horsemany wrote:

Do you really think you could tell the difference?  Scopes internal adjustments are not precise enough to see a few thousandths of an inch @100 yds.
 
Is it ok if I just feel like knowing because I am curious to know?
I take your answer to be...."No, I don't know or care, and you shouldn't either."
 
Thank you.
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I didn't mean it that way sir.  I am saying I have never owned a scope where one could distinguish a difference of .0472" over 4 clicks @100yds.   The input of others here supports my belief as they have stated the click values vary.  I shoot benchrest and I can tell you that has never come up even in that game where we judge ourselves on hundreth's of an inch.  We shoot for score too(not group sizes).  That means the accuracy and precision of scope adjustments are crucial.  And still this .0472" is not an issue.  I've shot box tests on most of the scopes I own (some are higher end Zeiss, Swaro) and the adjustments are never perfect.  I shoot the boxes on grid paper so it's quite obvious.

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.....OMG!.....again?
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Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

.....OMG!.....again?
 
Is this a common topic?  Or do you mean me?Hiding
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Originally posted by Horsemany Horsemany wrote:

I didn't mean it that way sir.  I am saying I have never owned a scope where one could distinguish a difference of .0472" over 4 clicks @100yds.   The input of others here supports my belief as they have stated the click values vary.  I shoot benchrest and I can tell you that has never come up even in that game where we judge ourselves on hundreth's of an inch.  We shoot for score too(not group sizes).  That means the accuracy and precision of scope adjustments are crucial.  And still this .0472" is not an issue.  I've shot box tests on most of the scopes I own (some are higher end Zeiss, Swaro) and the adjustments are never perfect.  I shoot the boxes on grid paper so it's quite obvious.

Welcome to the forum.

 
Thanks for the information, Sir.  I appreciate it.
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Originally posted by Horsemany Horsemany wrote:

How do you know what scopes I use? 

I was simply taking your word for it.  You said "scopes' internal adjustments are not precise enough."  If the scopes you have owned or used which led you to this conclusion (why else would you say it?) did not have precise enough adjustments, who am I to say you're wrong?  Forgive me for giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Quote Do you shoot competitively? 

No.
Quote Do you shoot groups small enough to see the difference between MOA and 1"? 

Yes.
Quote nobody will notice the difference between 1" and 1.0472" POI change with 4 clicks @100yds.

From where did you get the maximum range of 100 yds or the maximum input of 4 clicks at a time?  They were not in the question.

For example, a load in my 7-08 takes 31 MOA of adjustment to get to 1000 yds.  That 5% error, 31 TIMES OVER adds up to being off by roughly 15".  You don't need to be a "competetive shooter" to shoot groups small enough to notice that amount of error--do you notice when you to miss whatever you're shooting at every single time?  Even at a modest 650 yds, the error is nearly 6" which is unacceptable even on very large targets.  If hunting varmints, thinking your scope adjusts in one unit instead of the other can cause misses anywhere beyond 300 yds.

This matters to some people.  Maybe that's why he's asking.  Do you really think he's asking because he's worried about .047" at 100 yds? 
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Originally posted by Horsemany Horsemany wrote:

Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

.....OMG!.....again?
 
Is this a common topic?  Or do you mean me?Hiding


are you kidding me or what?
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my monarchs are moa, the mk4s are IPHY because of the way leo calculates the milradian, all my v3 are moa
the error is enhanced when poorly made sfp scopes with large bells are brought together
Jon prefers ffp and milrad to avoid this problem-- everybody has there way of doing something.
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

my monarchs are moa, the mk4s are IPHY because of the way leo calculates the milradian, all my v3 are moa
the error is enhanced when poorly made sfp scopes with large bells are brought together
Jon prefers ffp and milrad to avoid this problem-- everybody has there way of doing something.
Any input on a Conquest Dale? I haven't turned the knobs enough to find out. I really need to get my gun back so I can find all this out one of these days.
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My Monarch 3-9 does not adjust as precisely as my VX3 (absolutely perfect every time!) or my Zeiss Conquest. Its the older style so I cannot speak for the new ones. Because of that I wouldn't worry about MOA or IPHY. They are good scopes for the $$
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by Horsemany Horsemany wrote:

Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

.....OMG!.....again?
 
Is this a common topic?  Or do you mean me?Hiding


are you kidding me or what?
 
For the record, that wasn't toward me.Wink
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