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nikon 3-9x40 buckmaster, leupold 3-9x40 rifleman, burris 3-9x40 fullfield II. It will be on a weatherby 7mm mag. to hunt deer, antelope.
All are the same $. They look the same to me on paper. Based on my needs and money these three seem to fit, and might be good starters to see if I get into high powered rifles. I have next to zero scope experienc, other than looking thru it and shooting. And what I have read from the fine folks here and on manufactures websites.
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hmmmm............I would drop the Leupold Rifleman idea.  The Buckmaster and the Burris Fullfield are about in the same league. Check out the Bushnell 4200 3X9 or the Nikon Team Primos 3X9.  They would be a LOT better for not a whole lot more money...or about the same.                       --Ed
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Ed is correct, I'd lean towards the nikon primos if you can't find a 4200.
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Ditto
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i agree also, one other thing to remember about the ffII is that if it comes with a set of binos or a gps or a spotting scope, its not as  good of a scope as the ffII's that are sold alone with no teaser item, if you dont believe it ask chris he will tell you the same thing
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I just looked at the 4200 and the primos, on swfa. I had heard from my local gun shop that bushnell (bausch and lamb?) was making it harder to replace scopes. I had the Primos on the original list but I don't like the reticle, BDC.
Can these be ordered with a different reticle?

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negative on the primos, check the www.samplelist.com for a monarch ucc same scope as the primos, just more options.
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For background I have pasted part of the 2008 scope rating scale
6 - Bushnell Elite 4200, Nikon Monarch & Monarch X, Zeiss Conquest

5 - Leupold Mark 4 VX III & VX-L, Nikon Monarch Gold & Titanium, Sightron SIII

4 - Burris Black Diamond Signature Select XTR & Euro Diamond, Meopta, Pentax Lightseeker, Super Sniper, Trijicon Accupoint, Weaver Grand Slam

3 - Bushnell Elite 3200, Leatherwood, Leupold VX-II, Millet, Nikon Buckmaster, Sightron SI & SII, Vortex

2 -  Burris Fullfield II & Timberline, Leupold Rifleman & VX-I, Mueller, Nikon ProStaff, Simmons, Swift

1 - Barska, BSA, Tasco

If you can come up with an extra $50 I definitely recommend the Bushnell 4200, 3-9x40
http://www.swfa.com/pc-7280-185-bushnell-3-9x40-elite-4200-rifle-scope.aspx

If not, between the three you have listed I would get the Burris. This is based on my past experience with FF's. They are solid performers.
I also understand your reluctance with the Team Primos reticle. Too bad, the glass is excellent for the price.

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for future reference. where is the rating scale?
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From the list I find myself putting the FF with the 3200. The 3200's are solid scopes, also. The folks here consider the Buckmaster in this same group also.
I own several Leupold's and have sold a few also. Anymore it is hard for me to tell. They have so many choices and the lines have been muddled when they went from VariX to VX models. I can say that glass wise in the lower models I have not been happy and parted with all of them. Considering the type of hunting you are looking at a 3-9 is a versatile choice. But, if there is a Leupold to consider that is near your price I would look at http://www.swfa.com/pc-3645-94-leupold-6x36-fx-ii-riflescope.aspx. I have a 6x Leupy and it is as solid of scope as any I have ever had.
If you can get some hands on experience looking through any of these, that is your best bet.
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Originally posted by Indy Indy wrote:

I just looked at the 4200 and the primos, on swfa. I had heard from my local gun shop that bushnell (bausch and lamb?) was making it harder to replace scopes. I had the Primos on the original list but I don't like the reticle, BDC.
Can these be ordered with a different reticle?

indy
.....................Indy.................Your gun dealer has no idea what in the hell he`s talking about!!! How is Bushnell making it more difficult to replace scopes?...........If you buy a 4200 and if by chance you are not satisfied, you may return it within 1 year, no questions asked for a full refund. Furthermore, Bushnell stands behind their scopes with a lifetime warranty which is also transferable to any new owner without any paperwork needed.............How in the world did your dealer come to that conclusion?? For the quick sale, these clowns will say anything in order to get you to buy something that they already have in inventory. And they do it through deception!......What a load of crap! 
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i agree with squeeze here, unless he is talking about its getting harder to find them, that may be a little closer to truth, but the rest i wouldnt buy.
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Thats good info to know about the FFII, I was not aware that the scopes that come in a package deal were not as good as the stand alone units.
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i didnt either until a little bird who knows a thing or two about scopes told me about it, he said the differences are very subtle, but evident if you know what to look for, i believe i was also told  that the $399 conquests that were sold last year were the same way.
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Thanks for all the help and insight. This is a whole new monster,(hp rifles and scopes) for me. Bows, shotguns, .22's I'm good. But this wow. Lots and lots of info out there and here! and I have decided to go with the .................................................................................4200!!! It is worth the extra $.
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and now for rings and mounts...............just jokin, I might be able to take care of this one.?
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Cost effective and very well made http://www.swfa.com/c-570-weatherby.aspx
 
Another set up that is cost effective and rock solid is the http://www.swfa.com/c-105-leupold-dual-dovetail-rings-bases.aspx. They are easy to mount and look good, too. I have them on some Remy 700's.


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