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Chris Farris,
 
How long will it be until SWFA is selling the new Nikon EDG binoculars?
 
After next week's Shot Show?
 
 


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Don't hurry. For two reasons.
Such an advanced model will cost quite a bit of $$. However, Nikon sports optics do drop in price 1-2-3 years after introduction.
If there are any glitches with the first production run, you don't want to be among the first customers.
If Zeiss has gone all new, Leica has gone all new, Nikon has new models, don't you want to see what the new Swarovski binoculars will be like?
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I've asked this on another forum but, I thought it might be interesting to see what those who lurk here might have to contribute.
 
It seems to me that there is a fundamental problem with the logic behind modern binocular design trends.  For years and years one of the primary arguments against porro prism binoculars as primary hunting tools has been that their open bridge design was not nearly as stout as the long, "piano" hinge design of the roof prism binocular.  This "failing" supposedly made them overly prone to being knocked out of collimation. 
 
Now, beginning with Swarovski's EL and branching out to almost everywhere, EVERYONE it seems is coming out with an open-hinge roof prism binocular AND are telling us all how robust and rugged they are, not to mention "more ergonomic."  
 
Does this not seem contradictory (or perhaps even a bit hypocritical) to you? 
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Originally posted by anweis anweis wrote:

  don't you want to see what the new Swarovski binoculars will be like?
 
I always look forward to handling and looking through the Swarovski binoculars, even though I can't afford them. Thunbs%20Up
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Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

I've asked this on another forum but, I thought it might be interesting to see what those who lurk here might have to contribute.
 
It seems to me that there is a fundamental problem with the logic behind modern binocular design trends.  
 
Does this not seem contradictory (or perhaps even a bit hypocritical) to you? 
 
lucznik,
 
You are obviously not a 'typical consumer' who can be easily manipulated by advertising trends. 
 
The fact that you 'think' for yourself makes you a danger to yourself and others. 
That, unfortunately, is my problem as well.
I love to keep up with the new products, but, all of my binoculars are porro prism, with the exception of one discontinued Fujinon roof that was a steal at the time I purchased it.
 
Not to worry however, it is just a matter of time and some of us old dinosaurs will pass off the scene and take our 'old fashioned' ideas/ideals with us. 
 
Just looking at the prices of the new Nikon EDG makes me laugh.  Japan is finally getting on board with Europe to help us 'good old boys' to part with more of our hard earned cash.
I guess that that is also part of the TREND. Whatever 
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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

Just looking at the prices of the new Nikon EDG makes me laugh.  Japan is finally getting on board with Europe to help us 'good old boys' to part with more of our hard earned cash.
I guess that that is also part of the TREND. Whatever 
 
You speak only truth here.   My favorite line that is used to try to justify this jump in prices has always been the one that goes, "it's due to a disparity between the dollar and the euro." Bucky
 
Unfortunately, in a fit of unbelievable stupidity, I sold off my one good porro prism binocular - a B&L Discoverer.  I REALLY wish I could find another one of those.   Finding a comparable replacement is proving quite a chore.
 
 
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I wounder if Nikon will discontinue the LX L line? 
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That would leave quite a hole for Nikon around the $1000 price range, I can't imagine them leaving that kind of an opening for other companies to take advantage of.
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good point 
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lucznick,
i've been told by hunting store owners and workers, birders, hunters, and their mothers, that porro prism binoculars are more prone to being knocked out of collimation. It may be so, but only if they are poorly built.
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Originally posted by anweis anweis wrote:

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i've been told by hunting store owners and workers, birders, hunters, and their mothers, that porro prism binoculars are more prone to being knocked out of collimation. It may be so, but only if they are poorly built.
 
 
I think we all have been told the same - which is exactly the crux of my question. I even read in a few different hunting magazines not so long ago how the Swarovski EL, because of its "ultra-strong open bridge design," is supposedly the "ultimate" rugged-use binocular - directly contradicting one of the the very principles that has been used for decades to lure people away from porro prisms.  Loco
 
If, as a basic principle, this age-old argument was true, then the current trend toward open-bridged roof prisms would be a very ill-avised move.  Yet, so many different manufacturers (with a few notable exceptions) are jumping on that very bandwagon. Swarovski (EL), Bushnell (Elite, Infinity), Burris (Euro Diamond), Steiner (Peregrine XP), Vortex (Razor), and now even Nikon (EDG) each have their take on the same concept.  In fact, it appears that most of the mid-level pack wants to have a Swaro-ish binocular. 
 
It is notable that so far, niether Zeiss nor Leica - the other two members of the "Big 3" - have yet chosen to follow this open-bridge trend.  They all follow pretty closely when new coatings, advanced glass, price hikes, etc. are incorporated in each other's designs.  They even stick to very similar kinds of standard offerings (7, 8, and 10x models with 20, 25, 30-32, 40-43 and maybe 50mm objectives but, none of them really offers say,  a 6x, a true 9x, or even an 11x model so as to stand out.) But, they have (so-far) remained basically true to their own styling - which suggests that these cosmetic differences really are just cosmetic and have nothing to do with actual ruggedness (or even *gasp* "ergonomic superiority.") 
 
Leupold, Pentax, and Minox also seem to be sticking to their own styles, rather than following anyone's lead - at least for now. Though they too are largely sticking to pretty vanilla offerings as far as magnification and objective lens sizes. Kahles hasn't done anything new (with binoculars) for ages. Have I missed anyone important?
 
I guess this is just a long-winded way of saying that I'm a bit frustrated by how blatantly optics manufacturers contradict their own long-standing arguments and how easily we, the optics market,  just follow them around shelling out praise and cash like a bunch of drugged-up groupies "worshiping" our favorite rock star.   
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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

Chris Farris,
 
How long will it be until SWFA is selling the new Nikon EDG binoculars?
 
 
We have not ordered any as of yet and will most likely place an order at S.H.O.T. next week.  Not sure what their delivery dates are like.  They look really good on paper.  I hunted with the Nikon 10x42 LXL all last week and they were very impressive, the EDG's are supposed to be even better (and they better be for $2k.)
 
We don't sell alto of Nikon high end binoculars, I think they are more popular with the birding crowd.  Hunters want Swarovski, Leica or Zeiss.  Might be a status symbol thing.  Resale value of the big three is also hard to beat, many people can actually sell a used one several years later for what they paid for them due to the continuous price increases fueled by the EURO's domination of the dollar.
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Maybe newer technology has allowed these company's to design a stronger open bridge design. We are in the computer age. These companies probably did a lot of testing and research before designing their optics. These companies have to make money so they can offer newer technology to us. right? I guess some people are happy with obsolete gear I am to some extent when cost is just to far out of my budget. I just don't understand how or why anyone would complain about newer designs and better optics.  Open bridge design was not the only reason these companies steered away from porro prism binoculars. I think bulkiness and weight had a lot to do with it as well. anyways it will be quite some time before I will even be able to think about buying a 2000$ set of bino's. I am very happy with both pairs of my LX L's 
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Originally posted by mikerabe mikerabe wrote:

I guess some people are happy with obsolete gear 
 
Just because there are "differences" between porro prism and roof prism models doesn't make porro prism binoculars "obsolete gear". (perhaps that kind of thinking is a direct result of advertising propaganda)
 
Some vehicles are manufactured as rear wheel drive, front wheel drive, all wheel drive, and four wheel drive.  To say that "only one" represents modern technology, while the other three are obsolete, is the height of absurdity. 
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Hello Bird Watcher
 
A bit of subject. Did you ever get to try out the Kowa genesis you were intersted in a short while back.
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No, I was going to try and find some locally and have a look thru them but the price is somewhat out of my reach.
 
 
For the money they are asking I'd rather $INVEST$ in this model: Bandito
 


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Thank you Bird Watcher for the info. It is cool to see that you are still into those high mag's. I have friend with a shop that owes me a favor. I want to compare the genesis, Leica HD and these new Nikons by the end of the year with my FL's all 10x(10.5)s's and keep the one I like most.



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Originally posted by Trinidad Trinidad wrote:

 I want to compare the genesis, Leica HD and these new Nikons by the end of the year with my FL's all 10x(10.5)s's and keep the one I like most.
 
The sooner you can test them the better!
 
My favorite high mag binocular for stargazing is my Orion MEGAView 30x80mm, but, for daytime birdwatching I use my Barska X-Trail 30x80mm. Shocked
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I only have one high power binoc at this time a polaris 16x that woks well for watching the sky but I would love to mount something stronger in the future. I will try to compare them as soon as I can, it will be interesting to see what new products come next. These dam prices though..Cencored
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I did not say porro prism bino's are obsolete, and to say I did is absurd! Just to clear that up. But on that note take computers for example. If I could have a laptop do anything a PC can do I would take the Laptop every time. Porro's are great they just don't fit my needs. Well maybe I should check the current "advertising propaganda" to make sure my needs a filled..... Read%20the%20Manual
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Originally posted by Trinidad Trinidad wrote:

I only have one high power binoc at this time a polaris 16x that woks well for watching the sky but I would love to mount something stronger in the future.
 
The Fujinon 16x70mm FMT-SX porro is THE BEST in its size and price range, to go one better, you would have to step up to the Nikon 18x70mm AstroLuxe porro, which represents a significant increase in price.
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Originally posted by mikerabe mikerabe wrote:

I did not say porro prism bino's are obsolete, and to say I did is absurd! Just to clear that up. 
 
I was under the impression you were responding to the comment above, made by lucznik, regarding the "ultra-strong open bridge design".
 
Originally posted by milerabe milerabe wrote:

Open bridge design was not the only reason these companies steered away from porro prism binoculars. 
 
ALL companies making roof prism binoculars have NOT steered 'entirely' away from porro prism binoculars.   
 
One of the current $reasons$ for the popularity of the roof prism design is the over $60 million$ birders, in the U.S. alone, of which a significant percentage of these were looking for, and $willing to pay for$, smaller, lighter binoculars. 
 
Compare that number of people to the $20.6 million$ hunters in the U.S. and it is rather easy to $understand$ the current $motivation$ for not only the competitive technology, but also the $aggressive advertising$ campaigns. 
 
Anyway, if I misunderstood your meaning regarding the connection to porro prism binoculars and your statement "I guess some people are happy with obsolete gear", you have my apologies.
 
 


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Koshkin recommnded the 7x50 Fujinon polaris to me for hunting a couple of years ago and I fell in love with the performance, I then got the chance to get the 16x's at half price and have been very pleased with them for watching the sky's. I will be looking for more power in the future. I want to get a good high power rig set up for 2012, it should be fun. I think we need to get out our high power binocs ready soon Bird watcher. Check out this news report I just saw.Shocked
 
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I was under the impression you were responding to the comment above, made by lucznik, regarding the "ultra-strong open bridge design".
 
No, I was referring to the "obsolete" closed hinge design found on  my Nikon LXL's.  HA. Bandito



 

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Originally posted by Trinidad Trinidad wrote:

I want to get a good high power rig set up for 2012, it should be fun. I think we need to get out our high power binocs ready soon Bird watcher. Check out this news report I just saw.
 
Interesting link, the guys over on cloudynights may be providing tracking data as it becomes available.
 
Maybe you should consider one of these:
 
 
What's happening in 2012?
 


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