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I'm looking at one of these scope for my AR.  I also thought about the Millett DMS for the lighted reticle, but I'm guessing the Nikon or Leupold would have better optics.  I was wondering how the Nikon stacks up against the Leupold.
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Either one would be great, I have the leupold and its a nice little scope, but i'm guessing the nikon may have better optics.
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Not nocking SWFA inhouse scopes, but I'd rather stick to a name brand that will maintain resale value better.

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Originally posted by diyj98 diyj98 wrote:

Not nocking SWFA inhouse scopes, but I'd rather stick to a name brand that will maintain resale value better.

"nocking" as in arrows??? not a good application for a scope of any sort...

I don't think you will find a scope that holds resale value better than a Super Sniper and that's the older models.  The new variable and fixed 10x are some of the most sought after scopes on the market by hunters and real operators alike.  Perhaps you should rethink...
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Around here that wouldn't be the case, but if anyone has any input in my original two choices, I'd appreciate it.
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Originally posted by diyj98 diyj98 wrote:

Around here that wouldn't be the case, but if anyone has any input in my original two choices, I'd appreciate it.

Loco  whatever, i would take the nikon i guess.
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Being able to get the Nikon and Leupold at less than 1/2 the price of the SWFA is another incentive as well. Big Grin

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you get what you pay for though, the super sniper is better than both of those 1x4's are in all aspects
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Perhaps. But if I wanted the best, I'd buy another S&B short dot. I had one for a brief while on a 375 H&H and haven't found an optic that would touch it. 

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i hate to sound like a dick, but if you can afford a s&b why are you wanting to waste your time with a nikon or a leupold? 
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I can afford just about anything I want, but that doesn't mean I dumb enough  to spend money foolishly.  I could drive a Benz if I wanted, but my Ford Ranger fits my need better.
I have far too many scoped firearms to put S&B's on all of them, nor do most of them need a scope in that price range.  I don't play mall ninja so don't need the absolute best optic made just for shooting varmints and paper.  I wanted an "affordable" low powered scope with clear optics and solid warranty behind it.
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if you want a good warranty i would look at leupold, sightron, and vortex. they all make scopes that fit your need. nikon's cs, has been well documented as spotty at best if you happen to run into trouble. i myself have had a half dozen various nikon scopes in 3 models and never had any trouble. ive had quite a few leupolds as well, and they to have performed flawlessly. i really like zeiss conquest and bushnell 4200's for the total package.


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The original question was about two low range variable scopes.

How exactly did this become a Super Sniper discussion?  While Super Snipers are awesome scopes, they are clearly not relevant to the original question.

As far as the choice between Monarch and VX-II goes, I think Monarch is a better scope.  Nikon's customer service has not exactly distinguished itself with exemplary performance over the years, but that seems to be changing lately.

As far as other alternatives go, probably the best "bang for the buck" scope of this type is, IMO, Bushnell Elite 4200 1.1-4x24

Sightron 1.25-5x20 is also a very nice scope, although I think the reticle is a bit thinner than I think a scope of this type needs.

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Thanks.  I've had good luck with the Elite scopes over the years.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

The original question was about two low range variable scopes.

How exactly did this become a Super Sniper discussion?  While Super Snipers are awesome scopes, they are clearly not relevant to the original question.

As far as the choice between Monarch and VX-II goes, I think Monarch is a better scope.  Nikon's customer service has not exactly distinguished itself with exemplary performance over the years, but that seems to be changing lately.

As far as other alternatives go, probably the best "bang for the buck" scope of this type is, IMO, Bushnell Elite 4200 1.1-4x24

Sightron 1.25-5x20 is also a very nice scope, although I think the reticle is a bit thinner than I think a scope of this type needs.

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The "relevance" came from this uninformed comment:
"Not nocking SWFA inhouse scopes, but I'd rather stick to a name brand that will maintain resale value better."
A simple "I'm not interested in a SS" after UIF's suggestion would have been more than sufficient. 
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"unimformed"?  I didn't come onto SWFA's forum to bash their products in any way, but the gunshows I've attended both years ago as a firearms dealer and as a consumer have shown me Leupolds are one of the top scopes for retaining resale value. I'm a fan of the Elite line and own a number of them, but they normally don't hold resale value as well.  A scope marked "SWFA" although perhaps a fantastic scope (and I've heard they are), wouldn't even be known to the vast majority of consumers. I'm not talking about internet addicts or pretend solider of fortune types. I'm talking the average hunting/sporting consumer.

Instead of responding to my original question, people seemed compelled to try to up-sale me to an SWFA brand scope.
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you asked for a 1-4, I don't know why a 3-9 was recommended..
I have checked out the Nikon 1-4 1" tubed scope and have had a lot of 1-4s
it was a nice scope and a true 1x
I think you would be happy with it


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I don't know why a 3-9 was recommended (other than a zealous effort to get others to see the quality experienced by a satisfied user), either, nor did I recommend one.  I believe a Super Sniper would be completely outside your requirements. 

However, the Nikon 1-4 is a good scope, the Elte is, as well.  I have not touched a Sightron, so cannot speak to it. 

I've attended an inordinate (according to my wife) number of gun shows, both as a seller AND a buyer.  Not sure I would use a gun show as an indicator of "resale value".  NcStar is one of the most prominent sales "optics" at recent shows.  SEAL's scopes are also beginning to show up quite a bit.  Their resale prices are listed pretty near original cost, which is way too high.  Leupold has a good resale value because it has been, mostly, a consistent performer over the years with very good customer service.  The audience for Super Sniper awareness and support is smaller, it has not been around very long, respectively.  But if one puts forth a little effort and discovers one who has some experience with or background knowledge on the SS, it has a very high value retention.  Therefore, the comment appears uninformed. 

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I have the Leupold 1-4x20 on my Rem M7, nice little optic, it's not a true 1x, appears more like 1.3 -1.5x. It functions as it should but keep in mind that in low light situations the small objective is a hinderance. You might consider stepping up to the 1.5-5x20 VXIII, this has a 30mm tube and illumination which you may find useful.

I've also had a Zeiss 1.8-5.5x38 that had very nice glass but also a very thin reticle. If you can option the zeiss with a thicker reticle it would be good value.

I know it completely not what you enquired about but since it's been raised here may I address the SS 3-9x42.

It is simply incredible value, I think possibly the best value optic currently available. Check it out if you get a chance.

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"But if one puts forth a little effort and discovers one who has some experience with or background knowledge on the SS, it has a very high value retention.
 
If one would seek out those informed of and in danger of polar bear attack, one would  probably find high resale value on 458 Winchester magnums, but in most parts of the country they just aren't big sellers.  So in South Carolina the 458 Winchester magnums retain higher resale value than a .223 Remington?  One can always go to extremes to justify one's opinion. 
 
If you disagreed with my comment about the resale value, why didn't you just respond "I've found the opposite to be true" or "SWFA has always shown great resale value to me"  instead of a comment about an "uninformed opinion".
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Last question 1st... perhaps the same reason you didn't just say "I'm not interested in a Super Sniper"...

 
As to the 458's, I don't know where you are looking, but 458's have a very HIGH market value retention and mine are worth significantly more than what I got them for.  Price has been going up steadily.  But if you know of a really good deal, let me know, I might be interested...
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Well I start buying them up if I were you then resale them for a profit.  I can order you all you want if you don't mind paying retail.  Since they are going up in value, I'm sure you won't mind.
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I have never tried to buy or sell a scope at a gunshow.  Most of the scopes I have seen at gun shows are cheap chinese junk with the remainder mostly consisting of rather overpriced Leupolds.  I have always been able to find better prices on the internet, most frequently from SWFA.

As far as brand recgnition and resale value go, SS scopes have an interesting position in the market.  While SWFA is the only source for these scopes, the brand is really not "SWFA".  The moniker "Super Sniper" has become a brand on its own.  I have bought and sold a lot of scopes over the web and I found that Super Snipers hold their value very well.

Now, to get back to the original question.

Leupold VX-II 1-4x20 is actually a 1.6-4.2x scope
Leupold VX-3 1.5-5x20 is actually a 1.5-4.5x scope

VX-3 is available both with 1" and 30mm tubes and it is a significantly more expensive product.

For the money, I still think Elite 4200 1.1-4x24 is the way to go (it does not hurt that it is ~$150 cheaper than similarly equipped Leupold 1.5-5x20 while performing better in low light).

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VX-3 1.5-5x20mm - SWFA price - $429.95

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Length (A) 9.5 in
Tube Length (B) 5.5 in
(C) 2.0 in
(D) 3.3 in
Eyepiece Length (E) 3.1 in
Objective Length (F)
Objective Diameter (G) 1.0 in
Eyepiece Diameter (H) 1.6 in
Tube Diameter (I) 1.0 in
Actual Magnification 4.5 (1.5)
FOV @ 100 yds (ft) 23.8 (68.0)
FOV @ 100 m (m) 7.9 (22.7)
Eye Relief (in) 3.7 (4.4)
Eye Relief (mm) 94 (112)
Obj. Clear Aperture 0.8 in /20 mm
Weight 9.3 oz / 264 g
Elevation Adj. Range (MOA) 120
Windage Adj. Range (MOA) 120

 
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VX-3 1.5-5x20mm Illum. Reticle, SWFA price - $599.95

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Length (A) 9.6 in
Tube Length (B) 5.8 in
(C) 2.1 in
(D) 2.5 in
Eyepiece Length (E) 3.1 in
Objective Length (F)
Objective Diameter (G) 1.2 in
Eyepiece Diameter (H) 1.7 in
Tube Diameter (I) 30 mm
Actual Magnification 4.5 (1.5)
FOV @ 100 yds (ft) 29 (66.5)
FOV @ 100 m (m) 9.7 (22.2)
Eye Relief (in) 3.7 (4.5)
Eye Relief (mm) 94 (114)
Obj. Clear Aperture 0.8 in / 20 mm
Weight 13.3 oz / 377 g
Elevation Adj. Range (MOA) 120
Windage Adj. Range (MOA) 120

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